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Originally posted by Jem_hadar --> Game. Set. Match. ?

Hip hop does promote violence to a degree, but I wouldn't say the EDM scene is that much better.

In Toronto, there are 20 hip hop clubs for every edm related club. Sure you rarely see violence in the scene, but it would happen regardless if it was mainstream. People are stupid, and will try to harm others for no reason. It's a fact of life and we just have to live with it.

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Originally posted by Jem_hadar --> Game. Set. Match. ?

Yeah....That goes to show how much I know about sports.

Bring on Boxcar Willie!

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Originally posted by Billche Hip hop does promote violence to a degree, but I wouldn't say the EDM scene is that much better. In Toronto, there are 20 hip hop clubs for every edm related club. Sure you rarely see violence in the scene, but it would happen regardless if it was mainstream. People are stupid, and will try to harm others for no reason. It's a fact of life and we just have to live with it.

Then why were most stabbings and shootings still concentrated to hip hop clubs in the 90s when EDM was mainstream?


Why were there 20,000 plus massives without incident almost every weekend on top of that?

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Then why were most stabbings and shootings still concentrated to hip hop clubs in the 90s when EDM was mainstream? Why were there 20,000 plus massives without incident almost every weekend on top of that?

You do have a point. Back then the edm scene was big with raves though, clubs were still playing everything.

I'm just comparing it to Europe or other countries that aren't in North America. In those places, there is hardly any hip hop related clubs whatsoever, and yet they still have violence in their clubs. I don't think its just the music to blame, I honestly put a lot of blame on alcohol. I've never heard of people getting violent on weed, e, or whatever else they fancy.

I dont think there are many shootings at clubs in europe. Probably a few stabbings though.

I do know that shootings are a chronic problem at Garage and Hip hop nights in London though.

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Originally posted by Billche You do have a point. Back then the edm scene was big with raves though, clubs were still playing everything.

Back then clubs played mostly mainstream dance, and house with a 20 minute set of r&b.

Thug music was pretty much contained to crappy strip plaza banquet halls in scarborough.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Excuse me but thats total disrespect. That guv bouncer was probably the most polite and cordial security guy they had. And yes it occured in the orange room and yes the bouncer was killed. I watched him die right in front of me. Please have some respect in certain situations.

J lighten up I met no disrespct at all to you or people you may know man! This is just a story I heard and obviously it was just a story.
and that is why I asked you for clarification on the subject If you will notice my post.

I do recall however hearing of a situation where some merchandise was siezed and resold inside and a bouncer was beaten up near the trash bins out front. Maybe the Incidents where confused but do NOT tell that does not happen!

Obviously you have some affiliation with GUV so yor opinions of the staff would tend to be biased.

If this bouncer was the most polite and cordial security they had then he was one on the only ones.

Sorry but I been going there for many Many years. Long before it was even GUV and they have NEVER had many or any pleasant people working in that place. Especially not the security. Even when I worked there they treated me and my guests like crap.

Sorry dude

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Originally posted by RobbyG. Must have been one of those Hip Hop nites

Almost a given

the way bouncers treat people has absolutely nothing to do with this. A bouncer got shot and killed and did not do anything to deserve it. Yes i worked at guv at one time and even though i now work for the competition i will still never bash the place. In fact it takes quite a bit for me to bash any place actually. Im usually on the defensive when it comes to just about anywhere when people start up the whine fests.

ANd you did mean disrespect in that statement or else you wouldnt have said "f'in bouncer". The way i read it you almost took pleasure in the fact that he got shot.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 ANd you did mean disrespect in that statement or else you wouldnt have said "f'in bouncer". The way i read it you almost took pleasure in the fact that he got shot.

NO sir it was just a generalization of the help at GUV, and I'm sure many others would be my wingmen on this topic!

Futhermore I do not wish death or harm upon anyone for any reason. That is just ludacris and insulting to me that you would propose it.

Cheers and have a great Weekend!

There's so many arguments to be had for finding purpose behind the actions of mainstream cultures and sub-cultures.

I think we can basically agree on that ************ of the kind of music you listen to - there's a niche in society that you strive to be a part of, consciously or not. I don't think it's fair to say that hip-hop condones violence because as previously stated the roots of hip-hop are in equalization and concentrate their focus on bringing to mainstream attention problems that are 'taboo' or not dealt with as aggressively as ulterior issues.

What I do find discomforting is the 'gangsta rap' scene which glorifies violence and misogyny as not only acceptable but furthermore preferable in order to be an accepted member of said culture. To see children (10 and under) emulating the lyrics of Eminem and 50 Cent is downright disturbing, especially because for the most part they are not consciously aware of the message they are portraying, and moreso, the image they themselves hold of these 'artists' is usually confounded and downright misleading. When you translate this message into action - the result is often violent acts as witnessed Thursday night at System.

I'm not going to pretend to not be biased here. Obviously I appreciate the EDM scene a lot more than the aforementioned. I also; however, realize the stigmatization that comes with electronic music and drugs going hand in hand. Fair enough. In stark comparison at the very least; however, I would say:

1. I'm choosing to ingest the drug.
2. I'm not choosing to get shot/stabbed.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 im glad kids are into it at 11. Why? Because those kids will have grown out of it by the time they are 19. Not to mention the older kids will look at their kid siblings and cringe that they are into the same things they are. Its almost as effective as parents liking their kids music. LOL

I hope you're only thinking about the music... I warn my nieces and nephews that your brain never fully develops until you're around the age of 25, and to be careful experimenting with drugs. I was a late bloomer myself (25 when I did my first e). My 19 year old nephew has already been through the court system twice, once for drugs... He's throwing his life away... hasn't finished school, can't keep a job.

Makes me scared to have kids!

In the end I honestly believe that the blame for any incident rests solely on the shoulders of the perpetrators. If anyone tries to argue that music influences 20+ year olds to do violence is just making excuses for how fucked up humanity is in general. People need to start owning up to their own shit. I don't care if you listen to gangsta rap or gospel music if you kill someone you kill someone end of story. To say one type of music or other is responsible is a cop out for the fact that people need to learn control or we simply need to not interfere with such environments and just let them all wipe eachother out.

Blame the parents.

That's just another excuse people need to blame the perpetrator and no one else. See how things work then.

Upbringing has a lot to do with how you turn out no doubt. But that should not be legally considered once you are an adult. By then you should know better from right and wrong and if you dont then you are by legal definition, criminally insane.

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced I am just waiting for the day when Irish Folk music becomes the main stream music.

can't wait for that. Step dancing for all

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