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Posted by eRRaTiK on Jun-22-2005 11:30:

you need to start rallying up those hard dance promoters to get their asses into gear and hold some big ass events reza!

even if the hard dance guys combined their events for one night or something, like the hard dance/trance version of GK or TT, that could work.

or become a promoter yourself

Posted by queen_vee on Jun-22-2005 23:12:

quote:
Originally posted by trevgeeza
I hope you're a girl cause now i want you!!!!!!

Rest easy, I'm a girl!

Posted by pkcRAISTLIN on Jun-23-2005 00:15:

sorry to parade my ignorance, is hard dance another name for hard trance??

Posted by tachyon on Jun-23-2005 01:03:

quote:
Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
sorry to parade my ignorance, is hard dance another name for hard trance??

nah. they're two different things. most of the time hard trance has more heavier kick, while still retaining the mid and highs, compared with the kicks in trance which is slightly more subtle. hard dance is basically the spectrum which envelopes the harder styles, in which hard trance is a part of. you can say that a hard dance set will have hard house and hard trance and hard nrg tracks in it.

while a tek set can be consisted of minimal, tech-house, tek trance and hard techno (schranz) and still pretty enjoyable, a hardstyle set pretty much does your head in, really.

Posted by pkcRAISTLIN on Jun-23-2005 01:06:

ahhh, ok. cheers tachyon

note- all house is hard. hard to enjoy

Posted by taubs on Jun-23-2005 03:49:

Anybody heard of the nu energy collective live pa, i think they have been to australia, not they are fucking insane

Posted by petek on Jun-23-2005 04:29:

quote:
Originally posted by taubs
Anybody heard of the nu energy collective live pa, i think they have been to australia, not they are fucking insane

yeah they played their first gig ever in oz last year in adelaide for summer enchanted! think they havent been together that long... pretty sure its kevin energy, sharkey, AMS and robbie long? not sure on the last dude....

Yea they were a good show, but like I didn't really see why one person couldn't do it all!

Posted by RisingStar on Jun-23-2005 11:32:

quote:
Originally posted by queen_vee
Lack of hard dance in Melbourne? About bloody time!

I think this year's GK lineup can only be a great thing for the dance/trance scene. I maintain hard dance cannot be enjoyed unless copious quantities of drugs were consumed in the first instance... and the memory of a great night was left with an incredibly false impression of how good the music actually was.

Bring on the musical, melodic headliners and may more people realise how beautiful trance can really be.

What a load of s****! Your point about drugs is insulting. How can anyone listen to that dreadful stuff churned out by the likes of G&D without drugging up first?

Who the hell wants to stand around swaying (after all you can't dance) to something slow and dull? You go to a night out to enjoy yourself, not lapse into a coma due to extreme boredom.

Anybody saying things like 'how beautiful trance can really be' cannot be taken seriously can they? Yes, let's all hold hands and rejoice in the lord and listen to Lange's 'Frozen Beach' all night. God I need to be sick in a bucket......

Posted by eRRaTiK on Jun-23-2005 11:41:

rolf!!!

it's funny, coz (some parts of) it's true

Posted by xtractorfan on Jun-23-2005 11:54:

Posted by trevgeeza on Jun-23-2005 12:45:

quote:
Originally posted by RisingStar
God I need to be sick in a bucket......

I'm told pineapple juice is good for g overdoses, try that instead!

Posted by Philby on Jun-23-2005 12:58:

quote:
Originally posted by RisingStar

Who the hell wants to stand around swaying (after all you can't dance) to something slow and dull? You go to a night out to enjoy yourself, not lapse into a coma due to extreme boredom.

maybe you can't do the super hat twirl but music doesn't have to be 150 bpms to dance to. if you call twirling your hat on your head dancing

Posted by greedy myles on Jun-23-2005 14:38:

Wow, It's amazing how many opinions can fit into 8 pages.
Also amazing, is how the urge to textually slap a genre to the ground, curse all junkies, and state one's own opinion as law, can diminish in the same time.
I'm definetely not goin to throw around judgements here, especially as, only a year ago I'd have pigeon holed all dance into my "junkie music" folder. And even more so after having my eye's opened countless times since, most stand outishly - Cristopher Lawernce in Jan. (dam, can he come back anytime).
Guess what im tryin to say, is, not everyone's gonna like everythin, so don't try and make em. Instead, open the offer to them to experience the best of it, and let them decide. (Long winded i know, apologies)

/2 cents.

Posted by greedy myles on Jun-23-2005 14:45:

Now watch me quote whore like there's no tomorrow!

quote:
Originally posted by marsh
Praying won't do it- seeking out and supporting your local guys and girls will. You know- Oak tree's come from acorns, and all that shit.. fluffy, but based in truth

+5!! Give the man a gold star!!

quote:
Originally posted by Sly_Guy
Never, ever use the DJ mag top 100 to support an arguement on Dance music. How many people here actually think ATB should be in the top 10? And populatiry contest it may be, but not even a good one at that. When 3000 people from montreal can vote in a block for one of their locals to make the list, how can it truely be a reflection of the millions listening to the music?.....
+1. Strong scenes come from strong locals. Strong locals encourage good parites and good productions

ummm...? contradiction?

quote:
Originally posted by batemanscott
trev, paragraphs are ur friend!

BWAHAHAHAHAHA - owned (must suck to be you? )

quote:
Originally posted by Philby
maybe you can't do the super hat twirl but music doesn't have to be 150 bpms to dance to. if you call twirling your hat on your head dancing

BWAHAHAHAHA i need another gold star!!

Posted by queen_vee on Jun-24-2005 00:06:

quote:
Originally posted by RisingStar
What a load of s****! Your point about drugs is insulting. How can anyone listen to that dreadful stuff churned out by the likes of G&D without drugging up first?

Who the hell wants to stand around swaying (after all you can't dance) to something slow and dull? You go to a night out to enjoy yourself, not lapse into a coma due to extreme boredom.

Anybody saying things like 'how beautiful trance can really be' cannot be taken seriously can they? Yes, let's all hold hands and rejoice in the lord and listen to Lange's 'Frozen Beach' all night. God I need to be sick in a bucket......

Uh huh

You go be sick in a bucket dear, whilst come our once yearly Godskitchen, I�ll hold hands and rejoice in the lord (if I can�t dance, I may as well follow your suggestion and embrace the spirituality of electronic music) whilst listening to the beautiful music of the best lineup I think Future Entertainment have presented Melbourne with. And then I shall get back to you on G&D set.

Meanwhile, with the pounding headache I without fail suffer from upon being subjected to unexpectedly hard trance though decent speakers, I would indeed need copious amounts of painkillers, at the very least, to enjoy my evening. Don�t be insulted, it�s simply a fact.

And if I want to have a decent dance, I�ll find myself something with much more musicality and variety than a pounding 4/4, 160bpm mess of �dance music�. Seriously, I�d find it as much fun as dancing to the lawnmower.

And our differences in taste would be why- aside from the fact you appear to be from the UK- we would never intentionally find ourselves at, and enjoying, the same night

Posted by pkcRAISTLIN on Jun-24-2005 00:28:

Posted by narcism on Jun-24-2005 01:14:

the only drug u need when listening to hard trance is zoloft

Posted by trevgeeza on Jun-24-2005 08:28:

quote:
Originally posted by queen_vee
Uh huh

You go be sick in a bucket dear, whilst come our once yearly Godskitchen, I�ll hold hands and rejoice in the lord (if I can�t dance, I may as well follow your suggestion and embrace the spirituality of electronic music) whilst listening to the beautiful music of the best lineup I think Future Entertainment have presented Melbourne with. And then I shall get back to you on G&D set.

Meanwhile, with the pounding headache I without fail suffer from upon being subjected to unexpectedly hard trance though decent speakers, I would indeed need copious amounts of painkillers, at the very least, to enjoy my evening. Don�t be insulted, it�s simply a fact.

And if I want to have a decent dance, I�ll find myself something with much more musicality and variety than a pounding 4/4, 160bpm mess of �dance music�. Seriously, I�d find it as much fun as dancing to the lawnmower.

And our differences in taste would be why- aside from the fact you appear to be from the UK- we would never intentionally find ourselves at, and enjoying, the same night

....are there more like you???

Posted by vitamin v on Jun-24-2005 12:36:

quote:
Originally posted by narcism
the only drug u need when listening to hard trance is zoloft

thats brilliant!!

quote:
Originally posted by RisingStar
Anybody saying things like 'how beautiful trance can really be' cannot be taken seriously can they? Yes, let's all hold hands and rejoice in the lord and listen to Lange's 'Frozen Beach' all night. God I need to be sick in a bucket......

thats not very stereotypical of you is it?? Thats like saying everyone who likes hard trance wears phat-pants, drinks G like it's water, double drops and owns 50 million billion kandy bracelets.

*grabs Gerry's and pkcRAISTLIN hands and dances around the room to "need to feel loved"*

quote:
Originally posted by rez
It does confuse me a bit tho, hard dance and hard trance is obviously huge in Melbourne, yet the big events are saved for trance djs... Lets hope the Pharmacy crew start securing bigger venues

I agree with you, Rez. We do have it lucky when it comes to the bigger events, but i think thats just due to fact the uplifitng/melodic/prog sound being generally more popular world wide.

What you have to remember, is that in Melbourne, the hard scene is very loyal/active but very confined. Because EVERYONE that is into it is, out to it. The general masses who have no idea who the fuck the DJ's are, find prog or trance alot easier to get into than hard stlye/hard trance/hard house, even if they dont even know thats what they are listening to.

The other thing you have to keep in mind is that those masses make up the vast majority that attends these bigger events, Future knows this which is why you will always find trance or prog headliner in the main room.

Posted by batemanscott on Jun-24-2005 12:40:

quote:
Originally posted by vitamin v
What you have to remember, is that in Melbourne, the hard scene is very loyal/active but very drug fucked. Because EVERYONE that is into it is, drug fucked.

Fixed, imo.

(joking, joking, joking) sorry

Posted by tachyon on Jun-24-2005 18:55:

quote:
Originally posted by vitamin v
Thats like saying everyone who likes hard trance wears phat-pants, drinks G like it's water, double drops and owns 50 million billion kandy bracelets.

errr i do like hard trance a little bit....

but i'm not drug fucked!!!

i'm just fucked!

quote:
Originally posted by vitamin v
*grabs Gerry's and pkcRAISTLIN hands and dances around the room to "need to feel loved"*

*looks at you funny, roll eyes a bit and start stroking chin*

Posted by narcism on Jun-25-2005 01:45:

quote:
Originally posted by vitamin v

thats brilliant!!

thanks i thought of it myself
time to make it into an avatar

Posted by DJ_Ballistic on Jun-25-2005 02:32:

quote:
Originally posted by tachyon
errr i do like hard trance a little bit....

but i'm not drug fucked!!!

i'm just fucked!

*looks at you funny, roll eyes a bit and start stroking chin*

sorry champ, i think i ate your chocolate squirell

Posted by Aesthetic on Jun-26-2005 01:17:

i pooped a hammer.

quote:
Originally posted by DJ_Ballistic
sorry champ, i think i ate your chocolate squirell

Posted by Doc Matrix on Jun-28-2005 05:42:

quote:
Originally posted by petek
yeah they played their first gig ever in oz last year in adelaide for summer enchanted! think they havent been together that long... pretty sure its kevin energy, sharkey, AMS and robbie long? not sure on the last dude....

Yea they were a good show, but like I didn't really see why one person couldn't do it all!

Nu Energy Collective have been around for quite a while, circa '99. I don't think they're a prime example of "Hard Trance". Scot Project, Marco V, etc, I would consider as 'Hard Trance', whereas the N.E.C are primarily a Hardcore group, and cover about 20 different Hardcore labels, including Camel, Nu Energy and even an Australian Hardcore label, 'Executive Records' run by a guy DJ Haze who I think is from Sydney. Keven Energy is the main guy, but they have about 10-15 different core members that cover a variety of different Hard Trance and Hardcore styles.

They've done a few Australian parties; Enchanted, AdventJah just the other week, they usually make an appearance at the Godspeed parties in Sydney, and Brisbane gets them out all the time. Mayhem just this past weekend had probably the biggest Hardcore linueup at an Australian event yet.

As for the argument so far, most people here have agreed that different people are going to like different music. As for the argument over which is 'better' in a musical context, people who are into their form of music are always going to understand it better than those who prefer other genres; because thats what you listen to, thats what you love, and thats what you learn. There is no such thing as 'better' music between genres, there's just different tastes.

The trance guys will understand the mechanics of their music and as such will understand and appreciate the nuances and differences between styles of trance that to me sound pretty much the same. On the other hand, those into the harder styles will be able do exactly the same with their music.

With the claim that there is a lack of hard dance in Australia, maybe you're just in the wrong area. Us poor hard dance followers in Melbourne have it a bit tough, but if you're willing to go to Adelaide or better yet, Brisbane, you pretty much can't get away from it. Check the lineup that was at Mayhem just past: http://www.mayhem.net.au/.

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