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| Originally posted by MisterOpus1 Why, Bush would NEVER, I mean NEVER move goalposts on anything, would he? He is "a man of his word", right? He says what he means, and means what he says, right? September 29, 2003 September 30, 2003: Today: And the press finally continues to show a pulse: McClellan also continued to get grilled today on C-Span. Word on the street is that Bush is going to announce a SC nominee this week rather than next week to take the pressure off him and Rove. I wonder who thought that one up - Bush, or Rove? |
Well despite the fact that the investigation is still ongoing, this administration has already flip-flopped (no! it can't be!).
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Asked about the matter on nine occasions over the years, Bush has said he welcomed the investigation, called the name disclosure "a very serious matter," and declared that the sooner investigators "find out the truth, the better, as far as I'm concerned." "I want to know the truth," Bush told reporters in September 2003 after news of the investigation had burst into headlines. "If anybody has got any information, inside our administration or outside our administration, it would be helpful if they came forward with the information so we can find out whether or not these allegations are true and get on about the business." (occrider: I guess rove didn't get the memo teehee) In 2003, McClellan said it was "a ridiculous suggestion" that Rove was involved. "I've made it very clear, he was not involved, that there's no truth to the suggestion that he was," he said. He also said that any culprit in the White House should be fired "at a minimum." (occrider: poor poor McClellan) At one point, McClellan vowed: "The president has set high standards, the highest of standards, for people in his administration. He's made it very clear to people in his administration that he expects them to adhere to the highest standards of conduct. If anyone in this administration was involved in it, they would no longer be in this administration." (occrider: anyone INVOLVED in the affair. INVOLVED.) Bush replied "yes" when asked in June 2004 if he would fire anyone who leaked the agent's name. (occrider: Anyone who LEAKED the agent's name. No mention of whether the act was criminal or not) http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...1101568_pf.html |
And if Rove isn't fired, because he hasn't committed a criminal act, why has his security clearance not been revoked based upon violations admitted to by statements from his own lawyer?
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Question 19: If information that a signer of the SF 312 knows to have been classified appears in a public source, for example, in a newspaper article, may the signer assume that the information has been declassified and disseminate it elsewhere? Answer: No. Information remains classified until it has been officially declassified. Its disclosure in a public source does not declassify the information. Of course, merely quoting the public source in the abstract is not a second unauthorized disclosure. However, before disseminating the information elsewhere or confirming the accuracy of what appears in the public source, the signer of the SF 312 must confirm through an authorized official that the information has, in fact, been declassified. If it has not, further dissemination of the information or confirmation of its accuracy is also an unauthorized disclosure. http://www.fas.org/sgp/isoo/sf312.html |
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Executive Order 12958 SF 312 The White House has an affirmative obligation to investigate and take remedial action separate and apart from any ongoing criminal investigation. The executive order specifically provides that when a breach occurs, each agency must "take appropriate and prompt corrective action." This includes a determination of whether individual employees improperly disseminated or obtained access to classified information. The executive order further provides that sanctions for violations are not optional. The executive order expressly provides: "Officers and employees of the United States Government ... shall be subject to appropriate sanctions if they knowingly, willfully, or negligently ... disclose to unauthorized persons information properly classified." |
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| Originally posted by occrider And if Rove isn't fired, because he hasn't committed a criminal act, why has his security clearance not been revoked based upon violations admitted to by statements from his own lawyer? FYI, SF312: What a farce. |
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| MR. RUSSERT: This is the cover of your magazine: "Rove on the Spot," subtitled "What I Told the Grand Jury," by Matthew Cooper. And here is an excerpt from your article, which will be available tomorrow in Time magazine. "So did [Karl] Rove leak Plame's name to me, or tell me she was covert? No. Was it through my conversation with Rove that I learned for the first time that [Joe] Wilson's wife worked at the CIA and may have been responsible for sending him?"--to Niger. "Yes. Did Rove say that she worked at the `agency' on `WMD'?"--weapons of mass destruction. [/b]"Yes. When he said things would be declassified soon,[/b] was that itself impermissible? I don't know." For the record, the first time you learned that Joe Wilson's wife worked for the CIA was from Karl Rove? MR. COOPER: That's correct. MR. RUSSERT: And when Karl concluded his conversation with you, you write he said, "I've already said too much." What did that mean? MR. COOPER: Well, I'm not sure what it meant, Tim. At first, you know, I thought maybe he meant "I've been indiscreet." But then, as I thought about it, I thought it might be just more benign, like "I've said too much; I've got to get to a meeting." I don't know exactly what he meant, but I do know that memory of that line has stayed in my head for two years. |
Not to be hypercritical, but...
quote: Originally posted by MisterOpus1
And Matt Cooper tells all, if anyone hasn't read it yet:
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/a...1083899,00.html
I actually tried to hold back
"It was my first interview with the President, and I expected a simple "Hello" when I walked into the Oval Office last December. Instead, George W. Bush joked, "Cooper! I thought you'd be in jail by now." The leader of the free world, it seems, had been following my fight against a federal subpoena seeking my testimony in the case of the leaking of the name of a CIA officer. I thought it was funny and good-natured of the President, but the line reminded me that I was, very weirdly, in the Oval Office, out on bond from a prison sentence,..."
that's awesome!
too bad he's pimpin his rag for sales. j/k. i just might have to steal one.
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| Originally posted by MisterOpus1 Why, Bush would NEVER, I mean NEVER move goalposts on anything, would he? He is "a man of his word", right? He says what he means, and means what he says, right? |
Well, actually when asked by a reporter whether Bush would fire anyone from the whitehouse who was involved in the leak of Plame's name he did say "Yes."
As for Judith Miller I�m sure she�s protecting someone high up in this administration if not Rove, since she�s pretty much in bed with it.
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| Originally posted by Shakka I mean seriously, is this what you want to lose sleep over at night? Moving the goal posts maybe an inch or two at best? You're going to die of a heart attack at 35 if you get that worked up over such minor issue that amounts to little more than some twisting of words. |
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" After the oath was administered, Bush told the staff and 100 or so family members on hand "You all are here because you have my full confidence." "Today, everything is so promising and new," the new president said. "I'm hoping the day will never come when any of us take this place for granted." Bush warned that he expected his White House staff to meet the highest ethical standards, avoiding not only violations of law, but even the appearance of impropriety. "We must remember the high standards that come with high office," he said. "This begins careful adherence with the rules. I expect every member of this administration to stay well within the boundaries [that] define legal and ethical conduct. "No one in the White House should be afraid to confront the people they work for over ethical concerns, and no one should hesitate to confront me as well." Bush told his staff that he sees civility as a central part of the required behavior of White House staff. "There is no excuse for arrogance and never a reason for disrespect toward others," he said. "I expect each of you to be an example of humility and decency and fairness." And he concluded that the ultimate goal of White House service is to advance the agenda Bush was elected on. "We are here for a reason," Bush said. "You and I and the vice president share the same goals for our country we are here to make progress. We are not here just to mark time." http://www.newsmax.com/archives/art...22/213715.shtml |
Oh God
that limb is so not gonna support two heavyweights such as youself and Opus.
hehe... well atleast this Rove stuff has worried SOME republicans at least ..
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| Originally posted by occrider Wow, we're you a member of your party when it so solidly embraced Kerry's "flip-flops" as if it were manna from heaven? |
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| Originally posted by Shakka I still think Kerry should be tried for treason. |
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| Originally posted by occrider Yea well, I still think Bush should be fired for incompetance so ... |
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| Originally posted by Shakka Not to stoke up an argument, but you continue to criticize "talking points" from the right as if they are irrelevant simply because they are talking points, yet notice nobody gives you shit for quoting Ted Kennedy of all people. |
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| On September 30, 2003, when Bush was first asked about the leak, here is what he said: "If there is a leak out of my administration, I want to know who it is. And if the person has violated law, the person will be taken care of." Essentially the same thing he is saying now. Oh gee, you mean Dubya's not gonna let someone be tried by the media? What a novel idea. |
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| Furthermore, do you really think Judith Miller is protecting Karl Rove? |
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| I mean seriously, is this what you want to lose sleep over at night? Moving the goal posts maybe an inch or two at best? You're going to die of a heart attack at 35 if you get that worked up over such minor issue that amounts to little more than some twisting of words. |
Funny thing happened on the way to the office. Newspapers are all beginning to dogfight over this story. Fucking beautiful!:
NYTimes, baby!:
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| At the same time in July 2003 that a C.I.A. operative's identity was exposed, two key White House officials who talked to journalists about the officer were also working closely together on a related underlying issue: whether President Bush was correct in suggesting earlier that year that Iraq had been trying to acquire nuclear materials from Africa.... People who have been briefed on the case said that the White House officials, Karl Rove and I. Lewis Libby Jr., were helping to prepare what became the administration's primary response to criticism that a flawed phrase about the nuclear materials in Africa had been included in Mr. Bush's State of the Union address six months earlier.... At the same time, they were grappling with the fallout from an Op-Ed article on July 6, 2003, in The New York Times by Mr. Wilson, a former diplomat, in which he criticized the way the administration had used intelligence to support the claim in Mr. Bush's speech. The work done by Mr. Rove and Mr. Libby on the Tenet statement, during this intense period, had not been previously disclosed.... The effort was particularly striking because to an unusual degree, the circle of administration officials involved included those from the White House's political and national security operations, which are often separately run. Both arms were drawn into the effort to defend the administration during the period. In another indication of how wide a net investigators have cast in the case, Karen Hughes, a former top communications aide to Mr. Bush, and Robert Joseph, who was then the National Security Council's weapons proliferation expert, have both told the Senate Foreign Relations Committee that they were interviewed by the special prosecutor. Ms. Hughes is to have her confirmation hearing on Friday on her nomination to lead the State Department's public diplomacy operation. Mr. Joseph was recently confirmed as undersecretary of state for arms control and international security. As part of their confirmation proceedings, both had to fill out a questionnaire listing any legal matters they had become involved in.... The investigators have been trying to determine who else within the administration might have seen the memo or learned of its contents. Among those asked if he had seen the memo was Ari Fleischer, then the White House press secretary, who was on Air Force One with Mr. Bush and Mr. Powell during the Africa trip right after Mr. Wilson's article appeared. Mr. Fleischer told the grand jury that he never saw the memo, a person familiar with the testimony said.... Mr. Rove has also told the grand jury that he never saw the memo, a person briefed on the case said. Democrats who have been eager to focus attention on the case have urged reporters to look into the role of a number of other administration officials, including John R. Bolton, who was then undersecretary of state for arms control and international security and has since been nominated by Mr. Bush to be ambassador to the United Nations. In his disclosure form for his Senate confirmation hearings, Mr. Bolton made no mention of having been interviewed in the case, a government official said. http://nytimes.com/2005/07/22/polit...lrKaWSrxAb/KXew |
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| Two top White House aides have given accounts to the special prosecutor about how reporters told them the identity of a CIA agent that are at odds with what the reporters have said, according to persons familiar with the case. Lewis �Scooter'� Libby, Vice President Dick Cheney�s chief of staff, told special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald that he first learned from NBC News reporter Tim Russert of the identity of CIA agent Valerie Plame, the wife of former ambassador and Bush administration critic Joseph Wilson. Russert has testified before a federal grand jury that he didn�t tell Libby of Plame�s identity. White House Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove told Fitzgerald that he first learned the identity of the CIA agent from syndicated columnist Robert Novak, who was first to report Plame�s name and connection to Wilson. Novak, according to a source familiar with the matter, has given a somewhat different version to the special prosecutor. These discrepancies may be important because one issue Fitzgerald is investigating is whether Libby, Rove, or other administration officials made false statements during the course of the investigation. The Plame case has its genesis in whether any administration officials violated a 1982 law making it illegal to knowingly reveal the name of a CIA agent. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?...id=an7SakVWGrTQ |
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| A classified State Department memorandum central to a federal leak investigation contained information about CIA officer Valerie Plame in a paragraph marked "(S)" for secret, a clear indication that any Bush administration official who read it should have been aware the information was classified, according to current and former government officials. Plame -- who is referred to by her married name, Valerie Wilson, in the memo -- is mentioned in the second paragraph of the three-page document, which was written on June 10, 2003, by an analyst in the State Department's Bureau of Intelligence and Research (INR), according to a source who described the memo to The Washington Post. The paragraph identifying her as the wife of former ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV was clearly marked to show that it contained classified material at the "secret" level, two sources said. The CIA classifies as "secret" the names of officers whose identities are covert, according to former senior agency officials. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...2002517_pf.html |
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| Almost all of the memo is devoted to describing why State Department intelligence experts did not believe claims that Saddam Hussein had in the recent past sought to purchase uranium from Niger. Only two sentences in the seven-sentence paragraph mention Wilson's wife.... The material in the memo about Wilson's wife was based on notes taken by an INR analyst who attended a Feb. 19, 2002, meeting at the CIA where Wilson's intelligence-gathering trip to Niger was discussed. The memo was drafted June 10, 2003, for Undersecretary of State Marc Grossman, who asked to be brought up to date on INR's opposition to the White House view that Hussein was trying to buy uranium in Africa. The description of Wilson's wife and her role in the Feb. 19, 2002, meeting at the CIA was considered "a footnote" in a background paragraph in the memo, according to an official who was aware of the process. It records that the INR analyst at the meeting opposed Wilson's trip to Niger because the State Department, through other inquiries, already had disproved the allegation that Iraq was seeking uranium from Niger. Attached to the INR memo were the notes taken by the senior INR analyst who attended the 2002 meeting at the CIA. |
Don't get saucy with me, Bernaise!
Ex-CIA Officers Rip Bush Over Rove Leak
By DONNA DE LA CRUZ, Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON - Former U.S. intelligence officers criticized President Bush on Friday for not disciplining Karl Rove in connection with the leak of the name of a CIA officer, saying Bush's lack of action has jeopardized national security.
In a hearing held by Senate and House Democrats examining the implications of exposing Valerie Plame's identity, the former intelligence officers said Bush's silence has hampered efforts to recruit informants to help the United States fight the war on terror. Federal law forbids government officials from revealing the identity of an undercover intelligence officer.
"I wouldn't be here this morning if President Bush had done the one thing required of him as commander in chief � protect and defend the Constitution," said Larry Johnson, a former CIA analyst. "The minute that Valerie Plame's identity was outed, he should have delivered a strict and strong message to his employees."
Rove, Bush's deputy chief of staff, told Time magazine reporter Matthew Cooper in a 2003 phone call that former U.S. Ambassador Joseph Wilson's wife worked for the CIA on weapons of mass destruction issues, according to an account by Cooper in the magazine. Rove has not disputed that he told Cooper that Wilson's wife worked for the agency, but has said through his lawyer that he did not mention her by name.
In July 2003, Robert Novak, citing unnamed administration officials, identified Plame by name in his syndicated column and wrote that she worked for the CIA. The column has led to a federal criminal investigation into who leaked Plame's undercover identity. New York Times reporter Judith Miller � who never wrote a story about Plame � has been jailed for refusing to testify.
Bush said last week, "I think it's best that people wait until the investigation is complete before you jump to conclusions. And I will do so, as well."
Dana Perino, a White House spokesman, said Friday that the administration would have no comment on the investigation while it was continuing.
Patrick Lang, a retired Army colonel and defense intelligence officer, said Bush's silence sends a bad signal to foreigners who might be thinking of cooperating with the U.S. on intelligence matters.
"This says to them that if you decide to cooperate, someone will give you up, so you don't do it," Lang said. "They are not going to trust you in any way."
Johnson, who said he is a registered Republican, said he wished a GOP lawmaker would have the courage to stand up and "call the ugly dog the ugly dog."
"Where are these men and women with any integrity to speak out against this?" Johnson asked. "I expect better behavior out of Republicans."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050722..._leak_democrats
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