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I'd guess that was meant as more of an insult than a compliment 
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Re: The Perfect Kick - Here's How
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| Originally posted by Dave West The Kick and Bass must be compressed together. So create a stereo Group in Cubase or a stereo Bus object in Logic. Set the kick channel output to that group or bus. |
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| Originally posted by Project 7 Do i need to bounce down to audio, when i do this?, Because when i add a stereo group, i cant output the midi channel w/ NI Battery, to this channel thanks |
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| Originally posted by Dave West No, no, no, no and no. The MIDI destination stays the same - Battery2. It is the output from Battery that changes. My setup looks like this. Battery output number 9 (mono) is where the kick comes from. This audio channel is then routed to stereo group "Kick & Bass". Simple. |
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| Originally posted by Project 7 So what im doing is routing the outputs from battery and bass, to the stereo group? |
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| Originally posted by Chronosis Yep. But the group channel can also be mono, if your kick and bass are mono. |
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| Originally posted by Project 7 how do i route them though |
very good advice... another thing I do to get a good kick is to generate your own bass kick using a descending sine wave or triangle wave under a highpass filtered good quality high endy kick sample... that way you have more control than just EQ and compression... you actually have control where the landing of the kick takes place and exactly what freq range you want it to peirce through the track. I like having more control over my kicks than just using premade samples.
As far I see with the posts here, I don't think there is a definitive way of working with kicks in tracks... some kicks need to pound in different frequencies to really stand out... I don't think there is a one-set mixing solution, how the thread suggests. I use similar tactics for kicks but I end up doing something slightly different on each track.
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| Originally posted by Axolotyl Just read though this thread... and my god, Liquid are you the biggest wanker or what? |
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| Originally posted by RIPassion Liquid8, you are now Liquid7; I've demoted you one number. |
ehh.ok..
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| Originally posted by Liquid8 is that supposed to be funny ? ehh.ok.. |
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| Originally posted by Thois -1 I have demoted you to Liquid6 |
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| Originally posted by Liquid8 another clown here btw,read my sig before posting |
Thought this was a great thread, so why not bump it? 
We all got tired of hearing Liquid8 bitching, so we let the thread go.
This might sound like a stupid question, but are kicks tuned into the key note of the track? Because sometimes when I'm listening to the beginning of tracks, I can tell what note they're playing by listening to the start of the track (the kick / percussion) before the bass kicks in. 
you can transpose the kick too make it sound alittle different but i dont think people get the kicks and bass in same note...
as a matter of fact....the 'note' or pitch of the kick does matter........thats totally what sets a pro track apart from a amatuer track...an amatuer will just place sound randomly and expect that everything works....(it doesnt)...maybe rhythm-wise but the percussion will not work together to create a sort of 'emlody' that it needs to..
...like the dude said previously, you can tell at the start of a pro track before the kick comes in, what note it will be in.The same way you can magically predict the next notes in a pro-written melody. With progressions you only have a certain amount of choices to a chord change. I was taught a very knowledgable theory teacher that a human ear just can prrdict what notes come from what, >if you are 20 years old , even if you are not into music , you have still heard 20 years of music driving in the car or something..you unconciously learn chord changes> what works and what doesnt.......anyhow...im blabbing on and on but YES the pitch of a kick or any percussion DOES make a difference.......but good luck tuning them...better to just take time and go through lots of samples......later
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| Originally posted by Emperor you unconciously learn chord changes> what works and what doesnt |
Actually, that is why i have so much respect for more solid productions, or even pop music. Pop music has to be produced very solid (pro chord progressions and such) because it has to appeal to even the most music-stupid people. Like you said in pop music, you can always tell where the progression might go. It's solid and i have respect for that. It is easy when starting out producing (not knowing any theory) to just through any chord after another.....and to you at that time it might not sound like shit......but, listen to it 4 years later. You might make yourself sick....since over time your ears become more in tune from focusing on music. You will laugh at your old musical pieces...
That can be said for alot of things, it's just the fact that we improve/evolve musically that causes it.
A painter looks at his first painting. A magician looks at the first trick he learned. It's going look terrible in retrospect, after 4 years.
I understand that what we're talking about, is becoming more advanced in the way we process musical thoughts in our heads, and that "solid" in pop music is usually the right way to go (because to be "popular" it generally requires simplicity, yet solidity). But that's why I don't enjoy/appreciate pop music as much as other styles...because of the fact that the melodies are often catchy, but very basic.
I am generalising here, and I also do appreciate some of the production side of pop music, but when it's not even the singer or band writing the tunes or melodies, I tend to just bundle the song into the "average" pile.
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| Originally posted by Emperor as a matter of fact....the 'note' or pitch of the kick does matter........thats totally what sets a pro track apart from a amatuer track...an amatuer will just place sound randomly and expect that everything works....(it doesnt)...maybe rhythm-wise but the percussion will not work together to create a sort of 'emlody' that it needs to.. ...like the dude said previously, you can tell at the start of a pro track before the kick comes in, what note it will be in.The same way you can magically predict the next notes in a pro-written melody. With progressions you only have a certain amount of choices to a chord change. I was taught a very knowledgable theory teacher that a human ear just can prrdict what notes come from what, >if you are 20 years old , even if you are not into music , you have still heard 20 years of music driving in the car or something..you unconciously learn chord changes> what works and what doesnt.......anyhow...im blabbing on and on but YES the pitch of a kick or any percussion DOES make a difference.......but good luck tuning them...better to just take time and go through lots of samples......later |
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