Ohhh No No No, I Don't Respect That

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Posted by Shizane2002 on Jul-07-2005 23:37:

quote:
Originally posted by idoru
for ignorance

Posted by Cloudburst on Jul-07-2005 23:53:

hmm.. WojiePoj

troll

Posted by Shizane2002 on Jul-08-2005 00:00:

More like a court jester. His entire existence is for our amusement.

Posted by MindShifter on Jul-08-2005 01:56:

piss take...

although the analogy of sasha to jesus w/ wax was classic

Posted by Clovis on Jul-08-2005 02:17:

quote:
Originally posted by MindShifter
piss take...

although the analogy of sasha to jesus w/ wax was classic

LOL Fuckin A Right!

Posted by mndeg on Jul-08-2005 02:30:

i wish records werent so expensive, seriously
8-15 dollars each?
gah.

Posted by iammesol on Jul-08-2005 02:37:

wow, this thread is filled to the brim with ignorance

Posted by hakudoshi on Jul-08-2005 03:11:

this topic is stupid, its like saying i'd rather watch a VHS than a DVD because VHS is vintage or somethin along that line. or listen to an 8-track rather than CD... etc...

anyways, you can't argue with technology. it changes and so does the music/scene, if you don't like it leave it.. its not just the dance scene using this new thing called computers.

your not going to change anything by whining about the inevitable.

*waits for the flame*

Posted by sufee_b on Aug-10-2005 22:43:

quote:
Originally posted by flavdave
People shouted "Judas!" at Bob Dylan when he first played an electric guitar. Things seemed to work out fine for him. The times they are a changing, go with the flow my friends.

Couldnt have said it better myself

Posted by Googooly on Aug-11-2005 00:00:

I dont really care what DJ uses to mix on live shows as long as they mix good. you need to chill out man, quit complaining. chill!

bye

Posted by queen_vee on Aug-11-2005 00:10:

There just seems to be far less crowd interaction when using Ableton/computers. I have no problems whatsoever with human error and limitations so I don�t really see the need for all the extra technology.

Seriously, why shouldn�t promoters just pay for someone to pre-record �perfect� sets for events if it�s only about the music? Would sure help keep ticket prices down. We'd all be happy then hey? Smoothest mixing possible, lots of party tricks to the music, us all dancing to a computer...

Posted by jdat on Aug-11-2005 02:09:

quote:
Originally posted by queen_vee
There just seems to be far less crowd interaction when using Ableton/computers. I have no problems whatsoever with human error and limitations so I don�t really see the need for all the extra technology.

Seriously, why shouldn�t promoters just pay for someone to pre-record �perfect� sets for events if it�s only about the music? Would sure help keep ticket prices down. We'd all be happy then hey? Smoothest mixing possible, lots of party tricks to the music, us all dancing to a computer...

Once the djs playing with ableton get over the learning curve they will be interacting more with the crowd bu there's also the reality of the fact that they are actually working much harder ( time wise ) on doing a set with ableton then with decks. With decks press play beatmatch fade repeat while with ableton you have to work at it a little more then just that; that is if you're putting any real effort into it ( same applies to mixing with vinyl too ).

Posted by ZuLi on Aug-11-2005 02:19:

Re: Ohhh No No No, I Don't Respect That

quote:
Originally posted by WojiePoj
there trying too hard to make everything mix perfectly......

which is a bad thing because....??

Posted by jdat on Aug-11-2005 02:24:

Re: Re: Ohhh No No No, I Don't Respect That

quote:
Originally posted by ZuLi
which is a bad thing because....??

Don't you know that everyone loves horse racing, side stepping, puddle jumping aka beat wreaking!

Posted by PlasticSoul on Aug-11-2005 03:06:

I'll not enter in this discussion, but...

I prefer a dj using ableton and mixing perfectly than hear a dj trainwrecking with vinil and decks.. it's all about the incoming sounds...

Posted by Eddie N MIAMI on Aug-11-2005 03:21:

quote:
Originally posted by PlasticSoul
I'll not enter in this discussion, but...

I prefer a dj using ableton and mixing perfectly than hear a dj trainwrecking with vinil and decks.. it's all about the incoming sounds...

correct me if Im mistaken but didnt PVD fuck up while using ableton at a recent event?It was broacasted here on TA and alot of people noticed it, forgot the name though. But yeah using it is no sure thing then...

Posted by isoterra on Aug-11-2005 13:06:

quote:
Originally posted by Eddie N MIAMI
correct me if Im mistaken but didnt PVD fuck up while using ableton at a recent event?It was broacasted here on TA and alot of people noticed it, forgot the name though. But yeah using it is no sure thing then...

pvd uses serato scratch does he not? still involves beatmatching with vinyl

but yeah was at global gathering on radio1's essential mix, i think he dragged the next track onto the channel that was playing by mistake, instead of the other one.. schoolboy error if that was the case

Posted by Mike_Foyle on Aug-11-2005 13:18:

quote:
Originally posted by WojiePoj
k....1) Your Gay 2) Thread Is still open cuz thats the dumbest thing ive ever heard wanna be creative...shut off thats a lame excuse for djs who are afraid to fuck up....and 3)if your gunna make a comment like that change your display pics of the stick man on the Ones-and-Twos cuz that doesnt help your statement...idiot get off this thread

do you think beat matching is hard or something? beat matching does not take skill. there is more to djing that beat matching, get over it!

Posted by Fundamental on Aug-11-2005 14:43:

Re: Re: Ohhh No No No, I Don't Respect That

quote:
Originally posted by Mike_Foyle
beat matching does not take skill.

Course it does. Just like making an omelette takes skill. Not everyone can make an omelette, and then some people's will taste better than others.

But yeah, everyone can learn to make some kind of omelette...

quote:
Originally posted by armandzadza
When you read a document, does it matter to you if it was prepared on a word-processor or a type-writer?

I think this analogy would be more relevant for a pre-recorded CD. Some people actually enjoy watching DJs perform as well as the crowd interaction.

Posted by KristineClub on Aug-11-2005 23:01:

quote:
Originally posted by jdat
Once the djs playing with ableton get over the learning curve they will be interacting more with the crowd bu there's also the reality of the fact that they are actually working much harder ( time wise ) on doing a set with ableton then with decks. With decks press play beatmatch fade repeat while with ableton you have to work at it a little more then just that; that is if you're putting any real effort into it ( same applies to mixing with vinyl too ).

You know, this comment might have made since if you had just left out the last part in the parenthesis.

Posted by Mike_Foyle on Aug-11-2005 23:04:

Re: Re: Re: Ohhh No No No, I Don't Respect That

quote:
Originally posted by Fundamental
Course it does. Just like making an omelette takes skill. Not everyone can make an omelette, and then some people's will taste better than others.

But yeah, everyone can learn to make some kind of omelette...

lol i like ur omelette theory. but making an omelette doesnt take skill really, or very little, it just takes knowledge. beatmatching of course takes a bit of skill but really not much :/

i hate it when people bitch and whine about ableton and such like as if beatmatching is the only thing that seperates a good dj from a bad one.

Posted by Luke Terry on Aug-11-2005 23:11:

just to take the argument off at a tangent...

take the analagy one step furthur to pop music. so pop is dying because singers mime live at times?

tell you, they are a good fair few million quid better off than me

Posted by KristineClub on Aug-11-2005 23:14:

quote:
Originally posted by PlasticSoul I prefer a dj using ableton and mixing perfectly than hear a dj trainwrecking with vinil and decks.. it's all about the incoming sounds...

Yeah, and I'd rather watch a machine launch baseballs out of a stadium all night instead of seeing nine men out on a field exhibiting truley amazing athletic ability . It's not just about the sound you hear, it's about seeing a performance. When you hear an unbelieveable set at a party and you know that there was some person up there doing all that, it just makes it that much better.

Posted by Mike_Foyle on Aug-11-2005 23:18:

quote:
Originally posted by KristineClub
Yeah, and I'd rather watch a machine launch baseballs out of a stadium all night instead of seeing nine men out on a field exhibiting truley amazing athletic ability . It's not just about the sound you hear, it's about seeing a performance. When you hear an unbelieveable set at a party and you know that there was some person up there doing all that, it just makes it that much better.

Djs who use ableton put on a performance to, i dont think uve ever seen a good ableton live dj so you cant really comment.

Posted by Clovis on Aug-11-2005 23:24:

quote:
Originally posted by KristineClub
Yeah, and I'd rather watch a machine launch baseballs out of a stadium all night instead of seeing nine men out on a field exhibiting truley amazing athletic ability . It's not just about the sound you hear, it's about seeing a performance. When you hear an unbelieveable set at a party and you know that there was some person up there doing all that, it just makes it that much better.

Post of the fucking year...you're retarded.

There is 1000x more skill involved in making a set in Ableton if you are actually using the program. Beatmatching two records takes fuck all ability. Making quick loops, edits, playing 4-5 tracks at the same time with 20 or so samples, working the effects simultaneously, and making it sound GOOD takes some skill.

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