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Originally posted by Dave Clarke congratulations, you are a fucking idiot.

yeah, cos there can only be one Dave Clarke in the world right

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Originally posted by Dave Clarke Making music to become famous is a load of shit. I fail to see what you cant understand about this statement. How can I bring this down to your level?

I just don't agree with that... if you choose to make music to be famous, then so be it? What do YOU care? As long as the consumer enjoys the music, then who cares.

Besides, why are you so hostile?

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Originally posted by keithos27 I just don't agree with that... if you choose to make music to be famous, then so be it? What do YOU care? As long as the consumer enjoys the music, then who cares. Besides, why are you so hostile?

I think you are missing the underlying principle. Think carefully this time. Thanks.

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Originally posted by keithos27 I just don't agree with that... if you choose to make music to be famous, then so be it? What do YOU care? As long as the consumer enjoys the music, then who cares. Besides, why are you so hostile?

he's not, he's pointing out the stupidity in the post by gerry. he's backed it up with proof (ie. it's everyone on the album who don't get their name down) and he's still being questioned. Gerry said himself that he wants to make it big, well making tracks hoping they'll get big is for people who want to drain the life out of the music. Make music that you love, even if it's just one track a year or in a lifetime, and make it the best you can, and if it gets picked up, good work, if not, then so be it

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Originally posted by Dave Clarke I think you are missing the underlying principle. Think carefully this time. Thanks.

do you always speak to people in a condescending way? just answer the question.

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Originally posted by keithos27 do you always speak to people in a condescending way? just answer the question.

I have no patience with people like you. By that I mean fools. But its your lucky day, read the post by Ian. Fortunately for you someone can actually be arsed to explain something this simplistic & twatty.

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Originally posted by Ian^ he's not, he's pointing out the stupidity in the post by gerry. he's backed it up with proof (ie. it's everyone on the album who don't get their name down) and he's still being questioned. Gerry said himself that he wants to make it big, well making tracks hoping they'll get big is for people who want to drain the life out of the music. Make music that you love, even if it's just one track a year or in a lifetime, and make it the best you can, and if it gets picked up, good work, if not, then so be it

ian, i think that is a dramatic conclusion, no? let's say i'm as talented as your favorite producer (whomever that may be)... i have this talent in production, and i want to use it SOLEY to make A LOT of money... so the fuck what? if you (ian) enjoy my productions, and are willing to pay for it, then we both win... i just don't understand why people think it's always such a bad thing to want to make money? just because this fictitous producer wants to make it big and is talented doesn't mean he/she is going to "drain the life out of the music".

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Originally posted by keithos27 ian, i think that is a dramatic conclusion, no? let's say i'm as talented as your favorite producer (whomever that may be)... i have this talent in production, and i want to use it SOLEY to make A LOT of money... so the fuck what? if you (ian) enjoy my productions, and are willing to pay for it, then we both win... i just don't understand why people think it's always such a bad thing to want to make money? just because this fictitous producer wants to make it big and is talented doesn't mean he/she is going to "drain the life out of the music".

Because those productions that you come off with in an attempt to make money will be lifeless & shite. If you enjoy that kind of thing then you are a mong. But then look at dj tiesto, hes the biggest dj in the world thanks to the amount of mongs there are out there. Winner.

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Originally posted by keithos27 do you always speak to people in a condescending way? just answer the question.

Actually, yes, he does.

The alias works so well.

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Originally posted by keithos27 ian, i think that is a dramatic conclusion, no? let's say i'm as talented as your favorite producer (whomever that may be)... i have this talent in production, and i want to use it SOLEY to make A LOT of money... so the fuck what? if you (ian) enjoy my productions, and are willing to pay for it, then we both win... i just don't understand why people think it's always such a bad thing to want to make money? just because this fictitous producer wants to make it big and is talented doesn't mean he/she is going to "drain the life out of the music".

no, it's exactly what is wrong now. People are trying to make a quick buck with a cracked copy of reason or cubase, and only able to get limited sounds out of it. This leads to the barrage of mediocre releases. Take the best days of the music, the music was made by less people and there was a higher percentage of quality tracks. If you wanna make money, sell your stuff to kids, not to people who have standards

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Originally posted by Dave Clarke I have no patience with people like you. By that I mean fools. But its your lucky day, read the post by Ian. Fortunately for you someone can actually be arsed to explain something this simplistic & twatty.

Dude, go fuck yourself. Simple as that.

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Originally posted by Ian^ no, it's exactly what is wrong now. People are trying to make a quick buck with a cracked copy of reason or cubase, and only able to get limited sounds out of it. This leads to the barrage of mediocre releases. Take the best days of the music, the music was made by less people and there was a higher percentage of quality tracks. If you wanna make money, sell your stuff to kids, not to people who have standards

ian, i think you missed my scenario... no one said anything about cracked computer programs and saturation... i just started off basically asking "what is wrong with wanting to make a lot of money from producing".

not that i'm disagreeing with your theory/point of view on "kiddie bedroom producers". but even they (the kiddie bedroom producers) have more production talent then i do. so be it.

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Originally posted by Cobalt Actually, yes, he does. The alias works so well.

Alias? fuck you, its my name. I cant help it if people are idiots.

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Originally posted by keithos27 ian, i think you missed my scenario... no one said anything about cracked computer programs and saturation... i just started off basically asking "what is wrong with wanting to make a lot of money from producing". not that i'm disagreeing with your theory/point of view on "kiddie bedroom producers". but even they (the kiddie bedroom producers) have more production talent then i do. so be it.

I dont think hes missed your point. I think you are deliberately picking at any shite little thing anyone says to keep up this bollocks that you are trying to spout. Everything hes said is bang on, and you are in the wrong if you cant see it. simple as that

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Originally posted by keithos27 ian, i think you missed my scenario... no one said anything about cracked computer programs and saturation... i just started off basically asking "what is wrong with wanting to make a lot of money from producing". not that i'm disagreeing with your theory/point of view on "kiddie bedroom producers". but even they (the kiddie bedroom producers) have more production talent then i do. so be it.

there's a difference between talent, and ability. anyone can make something to a certain level, all you need is to be able to play the keyboard & choose harmonic chords that fit together, most of us did this in School music lessons. Of course most peopel want to make money, but there's some who have the natural ability, who can produce without silly programs which can be so limiting.

Take Vincent de Moor, he said in a recent interview that he doesn't use anything but software now, and you can tell, his new productions aren't anywhere near as good as his older ones. There are people who can emulate good sounds yes, but these are always going to be lost in the plethora of piss-poor ones. simple as that really

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Originally posted by Dave Clarke Alias? fuck you, its my name. I cant help it if people are idiots.

What coincidence. Kindred spirits, eh?

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Originally posted by Cobalt What coincidence. Kindred spirits, eh?

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There's tons of people named Dave Clarke around, Clarke is a fairly normal surname (I knew 4 people my age with it at school) David was a popular name in the late 70s to early-mid 80s, so yes, big coincidence

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Originally posted by Ian^ Take Vincent de Moor, he said in a recent interview that he doesn't use anything but software now, and you can tell, his new productions aren't anywhere near as good as his older ones. There are people who can emulate good sounds yes, but these are always going to be lost in the plethora of piss-poor ones. simple as that really

Really? God, that makes so much sense now.

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Originally posted by Cobalt Really? God, that makes so much sense now.

yeah, when I read it it clicked with me like 'ding' I'd love him to get a proper studio setup again

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Originally posted by keithos27 i just don't understand why people think it's always such a bad thing to want to make money? just because this fictitous producer wants to make it big and is talented doesn't mean he/she is going to "drain the life out of the music".

Take PvD as a prime example ... his old stuff like Step Right On, Forbidden Fruit, Words, etc ... full of creativity and imagination.

Then jump to now - ever since he dropped lucky with the NBY sample he's churned out dull, lifeless stuff like Time Of Our Lives/The Other Side, purely chasing the next big hit.

from the examples you guys have stated, i read the following:

talent + desire to make a lot of money = turning out more "hits" (which you find to be cheesey/simple productions) = degredation in quality of a genre

what I was saying is that i don't see a problem with wanting to make a lot of money... and in that i don't believe *every* talented producer who wants to make a lot of money (via the profession of music) will necessarily = degredation in quality of a genre.

your mileage may vary.

anyway... i apologize for TOTALLY brining this off-topic. back TPOD2.

i said it before.. i think alot of people have completely exaggerated gerry's comments & made massive assumptions based on them. nowhere did he complain about the track being credited as solange.. he was only saying it seemed odd that remixers didn't get credit on the tracklist, from what i read. and it was ONE single post.. i'm really not getting why people are still using the 'get over it' stance several days later when he hasn't even protested over it. and using criticism against the track itself to prove the point is a bit redundant, when it applies to all miscredited remixers on the album.. it's more the principle, regardless of whether the tune sounds shit/like a connected clone or whatever

and 'making it in the scene' doesn't necessarily involve making music for money/making a living off of it. it may be a sorry state but these days, near enough the only way you're going to get bookings as a DJ & play to decent crowds (when you don't have friends in high places at any rate) is if you're a known producer. and people still break into the scene this way all the time, especially where trance is concerned. sure you're never going to make a living in this day & age, but playing out to a club is always going to be alot more of an experience than sitting at home twiddling knobs on a computer or mixing to yourself. i see nothing wrong in wanting to step up the ladder in that respect

but yeah.. i think everyone in this discussion is right in a way... just blowing things out of proportion

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Originally posted by Prism Dave Clarke a tranceaddict in training...what would you know about trance anyway?

more then u probably

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Originally posted by isoterra i said it before.. i think alot of people have completely exaggerated gerry's comments & made massive assumptions based on them. nowhere did he complain about the track being credited as solange.. he was only saying it seemed odd that remixers didn't get credit on the tracklist, from what i read. and it was ONE single post.. i'm really not getting why people are still using the 'get over it' stance several days later when he hasn't even protested over it. and using criticism against the track itself to prove the point is a bit redundant, when it applies to all miscredited remixers on the album.. it's more the principle, regardless of whether the tune sounds shit/like a connected clone or whatever and 'making it in the scene' doesn't necessarily involve making music for money/making a living off of it. it may be a sorry state but these days, near enough the only way you're going to get bookings as a DJ & play to decent crowds (when you don't have friends in high places at any rate) is if you're a known producer. and people still break into the scene this way all the time, especially where trance is concerned. sure you're never going to make a living in this day & age, but playing out to a club is always going to be alot more of an experience than sitting at home twiddling knobs on a computer or mixing to yourself. i see nothing wrong in wanting to step up the ladder in that respect but yeah.. i think everyone in this discussion is right in a way... just blowing things out of proportion

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Originally posted by Dave Clarke congratulations, you are a fucking idiot.

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