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| Originally posted by ehRipper Thois - Lets hear a non standard saw from you. Lets see what you got. |
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| Originally posted by Dj Pyster Ok I reworked it a little, and added some highs, sounds great imo, but i want to hear your oponion. :-D z3ta Supersaw attempt |
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| Originally posted by kein91 not bad ! |
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| Originally posted by kein91 not bad ! |
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| Originally posted by kein91 not bad ! |
wow triple post 
btw Pyster i wanna hear your remix of synaesthesia 
I'll share that remix with everyone, its an older song though, but enjoy.
Synaesthesia 05' (Pyster Remix)
After some hours of searching, I guess this is the right thread fro my question. 
Does anyone know which Synth(s) create sounds like for example the lead in "Push - Strange World".
YES I KNOW: "THE MASTER-M.I.K.E." CANNOT BE COPIED. 
It's a supersaw, OK. But how can this crispy sound be created. Difficult to explain. I mean this slight lift of Mids. Well, listen to it, again.
http://www.audiopioneers.net/forum/...read.php?t=1162
i havent tryed be myself
I'm going to go out on a limb here and arduously defend the supersaw.
For all of those supersaw haters out there whose primary arguments reside in the "overuse" of the instrument, I have news for you.
Musical genres tend to rely on some specific instrumentation. In most forms of rock, it is some combination of guitar, bass, and drums. In orchestral or symphonic music, there tends to be a 1st strings section, 2nd strings, and so on, comprised of violins, violas, and the like. Rock music has retained its basic instrumentation since its conception- relying on the primacy of the guitar, as most orchestral music relies on the primacy of the strings, woodwinds, brass, piano, or some combination of these. While rock music has evolved over the near half-century that it has existed as a cohesive musical genre, most of the key elements of instrumentation have retained themselves. I need not speculate on orchestral music, which even in obscure academic circles tends to rely predominantly on one of the aforementioned "traditional" instruments.
Perhaps I'm a bit partial to the supersaw, having been weaned on it in the infancy of my love affair with electronic music. Let us not forget, however, that this genre we have agglomerated as "trance music" is hardly a decade old. I hear no cries to abolish the guitar from rock.
The supersaw is an instrument, nothing more. Yes, it appears in countless songs with such cringing repetition in the same keys and maudlin modes over and over again that many of us would like to see the architects of the JP8000 burned at the stake, but is that the fault of the instrument, or the composer? I believe that it is the index of a composer's talents to create an emotional response to some instrumentation we've all heard before. Why is Shostakovich regarded in high esteem at least as much as Handel, hundreds of years before him? He was given the same tools and a similar form, and yet he made original and stunning compositions. Electronic music is no different.
I am personally much more impressed with the track that is released with a prominent supersaw lead that gives me tingles than one that resorts to some odd arrangement in an attempt to achieve the same effect.
Perhaps it's because of the nature of electronic music composition, that we create our -own- instruments, that this itch is beginning to foment among producers to so quickly throw away a tenet of this relatively new genre. I am not saying that the supersaw should be instituted as some holy, untouchable aspect of trance music. All I am saying is that it is no different from any other instrument, and if you're tired of it, blame the producer for not using it effectively.
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| Originally posted by FrancoR http://www.audiopioneers.net/forum/...read.php?t=1162 i havent tryed be myself |
Who told you that the strange world sound was a supersaw?
That is my StrangeWorld patch that Franco linked you to I just made it for fun as I often patch synths whenever i get bored with producing.
I agree with you tho, I too am lazy so Ill just link you to a mp3 demo of the patch.
Made in FL's 3xOSC
DOWNLOAD ME
And just for the record.. its not a supersaw at all..
Well, OK. I correct myself:
I think it is a supersaw.
But thank you I know now, that it isn't one.
So tell me what it is. That was the question.
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I listened to that DEMO-MP3.
It sounds really good, but not like the original-synth.
It's just an own synth with the melody of Strange World.
(no offence)
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| Originally posted by armanivespucci I'm going to go out on a limb here and arduously defend the supersaw. For all of those supersaw haters out there whose primary arguments reside in the "overuse" of the instrument, I have news for you. Musical genres tend to rely on some specific instrumentation. In most forms of rock, it is some combination of guitar, bass, and drums. In orchestral or symphonic music, there tends to be a 1st strings section, 2nd strings, and so on, comprised of violins, violas, and the like. Rock music has retained its basic instrumentation since its conception- relying on the primacy of the guitar, as most orchestral music relies on the primacy of the strings, woodwinds, brass, piano, or some combination of these. While rock music has evolved over the near half-century that it has existed as a cohesive musical genre, most of the key elements of instrumentation have retained themselves. I need not speculate on orchestral music, which even in obscure academic circles tends to rely predominantly on one of the aforementioned "traditional" instruments. Perhaps I'm a bit partial to the supersaw, having been weaned on it in the infancy of my love affair with electronic music. Let us not forget, however, that this genre we have agglomerated as "trance music" is hardly a decade old. I hear no cries to abolish the guitar from rock. The supersaw is an instrument, nothing more. Yes, it appears in countless songs with such cringing repetition in the same keys and maudlin modes over and over again that many of us would like to see the architects of the JP8000 burned at the stake, but is that the fault of the instrument, or the composer? I believe that it is the index of a composer's talents to create an emotional response to some instrumentation we've all heard before. Why is Shostakovich regarded in high esteem at least as much as Handel, hundreds of years before him? He was given the same tools and a similar form, and yet he made original and stunning compositions. Electronic music is no different. I am personally much more impressed with the track that is released with a prominent supersaw lead that gives me tingles than one that resorts to some odd arrangement in an attempt to achieve the same effect. Perhaps it's because of the nature of electronic music composition, that we create our -own- instruments, that this itch is beginning to foment among producers to so quickly throw away a tenet of this relatively new genre. I am not saying that the supersaw should be instituted as some holy, untouchable aspect of trance music. All I am saying is that it is no different from any other instrument, and if you're tired of it, blame the producer for not using it effectively. |
All these SuperSaw threads and not one of them has anything to do with making a nice sounding one. Can we start a new one that's not about liking or disliking the Saws but rather how to make them sound good
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| Originally posted by RoBDaWG All these SuperSaw threads and not one of them has anything to do with making a nice sounding one. Can we start a new one that's not about liking or disliking the Saws but rather how to make them sound good |
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| Originally posted by Vizay no we can not because that fit's perfectly into this thread! so don't even think about starting a new one Well anyway, creating a special sounding one really depends on the context it's put in. I'll take synergy - hello strings as an example. It doesn't use a supersaw sound but it uses strings in a way that your'e not expecting, instead of having a big stringtexture they've created stringstabs (okay it's not that unusual but I think you guys get what I mean) just be creative and have the guts to try new ways of using it and you'll find a unique sound created by a mainstream instrument pretty fast |
it's 2 instances of reasons malstrom, 1 instance of reasons subtractor and a bunch of EQ put together in a combinator patch
Hi,
Forgive me for asking kind of a newbie question, but will anyone be willing to post a midi-file playing a supersaw-part?
My problem is that even though I have experimented for ages with this, it still seems I can't get the right supersaw-sound I want. I'm starting to think it has more to do with what I'm playing, rather than what sound I use. 
The information I need is something like, how many layers to use, if there are just chords or also countermelodies etc. etc.
A midi-file with a nice supersaw-part would give me helpfull information and enable me to test my supersaw-presets to see if they are ok! 
Thank you!
I don't quite get it.
If you are trying to getr a supwersaw sound, you need to use some synth which creates superwaves (sine, saw, squaer, etc.).
When you have tweaked it right, you will have a supersaw even with hittig just one note.
So, I don't understand your problem. 
A superwave isn't created by playing a special series of notes. It's created by overlaying several (e.g 5 - 10) slightly (kind of) detuned waves.
The thing is, I can (eq. with my PoCo Virus) get something that kind of sounds like a supersaw. It just hasn't got that real "feel" over it, when I'm playing, that I get from listening to the first couple of seconds from e.g. Rank 1's - Airwave.
So I was thinking: If I could get a midi-file with that part, I could test if the problem lies with my preset or just a lack of imagination of what the sound can do... I was thinking that the feel not only comes from the supersaw, but also from an extensive use of M7-chords, countermelodies etc.
I know you might still not get my point - I've tried explaining it as good as possible. Did it help?
Yesss! Now I got it!
I think you have exactly the same problem I had once, too.
But how about YOU post a sort sample of you current supersaw with any melody? Then I or we will try to find out what is missing in your supersaw.
some realy nice samples in here.
here's my first (super)saw attempt here
edit: sorry for the gain level
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| Originally posted by djsphere some realy nice samples in here. here's my first (super)saw attempt here edit: sorry for the gain level |
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| Originally posted by Dj Pyster This one sounds very different . |
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