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Posted by Tilo on Nov-14-2005 18:17:

Techno wanna makes your booty shake,
whereas trance wanna makes your arms lift up the air.
(And Scooter wanna makes you vomit!)

Posted by robospanker on Nov-14-2005 18:32:

stop with those threads finally!!!

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...threadid=305029

Posted by Trance-M on Nov-14-2005 19:48:

This site explains it all (and all styles):

http://www.eurodancehits.com/dict.html

Robospanker, I 100% agree...

Posted by basd on Nov-14-2005 19:56:

quote:
Originally posted by Trance-MB
This site explains it all (and all styles):

http://www.eurodancehits.com/dict.html

Goa originated in Germany?
Techno is short for techno-house?
Talla 2XLC is the godfather of techno?

You learn something new every day.

Posted by Trance-M on Nov-14-2005 21:01:

quote:
Talla 2XLC is the godfather of techno?

Talla: http://www.thedjlist.com/djs/TALLA_2XLC/

Posted by RebeL9 on Nov-14-2005 21:07:

quote:
Originally posted by Trance-MB
This site explains it all (and all styles):

http://www.eurodancehits.com/dict.html

Robospanker, I 100% agree...

you gotta be kidding me. that site is just full of mumbo jumbo. and all those "references" are written by various random visitors of the site with no knowledge of EDM.

For example the explanation of trance is totally wrong. It seems to explain only the early 90s hardtrance. Not a single words about the first trance labels such as Eye Q Records, MFS, Superstition. And not a single word about Sven V�th. LOL!

And when you read about the goa trance part it says "Goa was born in Germany..." and then it say "Trance was played on a lot of beach parties and because of its warm climate of �goa� vinyl would melt."
LOL! I laughed when I read this. The guy who wrote this obviously got no idea that Goa is a place in India. A place where lots of hippies and djs went in late 80 and early 90s to go to beach parties. Even Sven V�th went there and was influenced by the music there which gave him inspiration for his Eye Q label.

also: " Goa trance is played all over the world and the public seem to enjoy it more because it is more �relaxing� and �easy-listening� style than other types of trance".
The style goa trance doesn't exist any longer. It almost totally vanished a couple of years ago when most of all goa trance labels disapeared. Most people would refer to psychedelic trance when refering to goatrance today.. And no it's not the easiest style of trance since uplifting with the strong use of vocals and melodies is far more popular than goa trance.

And the description of techno seems to been written by some affiliate from Suck Me Plasma. Gee there were loads of techno djs besides Talla 2XLC.

Posted by dj_sketchy2003 on Nov-15-2005 02:54:

in australia if you ask the average person techno is EDM as a whole, doesnt really bother me. To most people (even those in EDM scene call stuff by scooter, dj alligator, brooklyn bounce etc Techno, and people like Rank 1 etc 'trance' where as the techno the yare reffering to is actually hard house i think.

Posted by teky on Nov-15-2005 10:24:

the prodigy / kraftwerk / aphex twin / chemical brothers / crystal method

techno ok?

armin van buuren / dj tiesto / paul van dyk / menno de jong / ferry corsten

trance ok?

Posted by a98 on Nov-15-2005 11:28:

what MOST germans call techno isn't what MOST of other people call techno, style such as mauro picotto, marco carola, chris liebing end so on, when they mean style like talla2xlc. which is so called "german trance" to me (not to be confused with euphonic label and other brilliant german trance acts) which doesn't really have any of the flow, massive soundscapes, filters or anything known from (read: real if you will) trance, but hard edge bouncy 1 2 3 march feel.

i'm not saying i or anyone else is right or wrong, but obviously whole lot of different sounding styles are called with the same name.

and what comes to scooter, they indeed startted with trance, not many people know that, check tune "Rhapsody in E" for example, that's actually more trance than what trance is nowadays (if trance is suppose to be what it was when it was born in 91-92)
clip: http://mp3.juno.co.uk/MP3/SF185663-01-02-02.mp3

but i think their early days are more known from their happyhardcore/rave songs. and some people call hardcore as "hardcore techno" so that "scooter-techno" combination has came somewhere from there..

not to get too lost from the topic, here are what i think is trance and what is techno:

Techno (Faster):
http://mp3.juno.co.uk/MP3/SF124525-01-03-01.mp3

Techno (Slower):
http://mp3.juno.co.uk/MP3/SF195720-01-04-01.mp3

Trance (oldskool):
http://mp3.juno.co.uk/MP3/SF183327-01-02-06.mp3

Modern:
http://mp3.juno.co.uk/MP3/SF121116-01-02-01.mp3

Techtrance:
http://mp3.juno.co.uk/MP3/SF187650-01-02-05.mp3

Posted by a98 on Nov-15-2005 11:31:

quote:
Originally posted by teky
the prodigy

breakbeat, bigbeat etc

quote:

kraftwerk

electro

quote:

aphex twin

breaks, electro, dnb, noise, experimental, just trashing

quote:

chemical brothers / crystal method

mostly breakbeat and bigbeat, although chemical bros do have some dance tracks too (and with dance i no means mean eurodance )

quote:

techno ok?

nope

Posted by Aiwendil on Nov-15-2005 15:27:

Posted by a98 on Nov-15-2005 16:56:

quote:
Originally posted by Aiwendil
That's somewhat of a crappy example of what oldskool Trance sounds like. Here are better:
http://mp3.juno.co.uk/MP3/SF161622-02-03-12.mp3
http://mp3.juno.co.uk/MP3/SF39700-01-02-01.mp3
http://mp3.juno.co.uk/MP3/SF38374-02-02-07.mp3
http://mp3.juno.co.uk/MP3/SF184795-01-01-02.mp3
http://mp3.juno.co.uk/MP3/SF29543-01-01-01.mp3
http://mp3.juno.co.uk/MP3/SF184795-01-02-01.mp3
http://mp3.juno.co.uk/MP3/SF185065-02-02-06.mp3
http://mp3.juno.co.uk/MP3/SF172909-01-02-01.mp3
http://mp3.juno.co.uk/MP3/SF69390-01-02-01.mp3

yeah your examples are more what most of the oldskool trance sounded..
but crappy? you call "humate - love stimulation" crappy? that's one of the rare old trance songs that still today sound as enjoyable as the day it was released.
i actually spotted only 2 of those clips, one was age of love - age of love, and one was energy 52 - cafe del mar (cosmic baby remix)

Posted by SYSTEM-J on Nov-15-2005 16:58:

Well, one was Acperience.

Posted by Aiwendil on Nov-15-2005 17:18:

quote:
Originally posted by a98
one was age of love - age of love, and one was energy 52 - cafe del mar (cosmic baby remix)

not exactly...

Posted by RebeL9 on Nov-15-2005 17:21:

that clip is from Caf� Del Mar (Oliver Lieb club remix) which was released in 1997.
THIS is the Cosmic Baby impression from 1993.

Posted by SYSTEM-J on Nov-15-2005 17:45:

Christ, some of the old tracks sound so weedy these days.

Posted by RebeL9 on Nov-15-2005 17:54:

quote:
Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Christ, some of the old tracks sound so weedy these days.

why do you think Hooj Records had the Hooj man smoking weed on their vinyls back then?

Posted by SYSTEM-J on Nov-15-2005 18:35:

Touch�. Touch�.

Posted by Trance-M on Nov-15-2005 19:20:

quote:
And not a single word about Sven V�th. LOL!

Maybe Talla made a much bigger contribution to the whole scene (maybe even invisable, on the background, maybe just by grounding the Technoclub).
The discography of Suck Me Plasma, to me, is much more impressive then the discography of Eye Q.

TallaXL2

quote:
Talla founded the "TECHNOCLUB" established in 1984, located in the legendary Dorian Gray (R.I.P) @ the Frankfurt Airport.

Sven V�th

quote:
1986: Still DJ in the Vogue club, he starts making a name for himself on an international level as a party master. He works in Ibiza and following to his return to Frankfurt he produces his debut project, OFF and the Stan Ridgeway-inspired single "Bad News" (on the Bellaphon label), with Michael M�nzing and Luca Anzilotti (later to form Logic/SNAP). This makes Sven the first club DJ in Germany to produce and market himself. It also lays the foundation for the "Sound of Frankfurt". In the same year, he and M�nzing/Anzilotti produce the second single, "Electrica Salsa".

I can understand why they just talk about Talla and not Sven, but also would understand when another site just would mention Sven.
There are different ways of viewing at something. Both could be OK.

By the way, I think the site shows a nice overview. Maybe not 100% correct but at least a good try.
Since it seems that you know it all maybe you should give it a try to make the perfect overview instead of just shoting at others.....

Posted by RebeL9 on Nov-15-2005 20:27:

Suck Me Plasma may have released more than Eye Q but the latter made a much greater impact on the trance scene and paved road for many future producers. And the amount of classic releases which became all time trance hits are way more on Eye Q such as:

Zyon - No Fate (1991)
Energy 52 - Caf� Del Mar (1993)
Cygnus-X - Superstring (1993)
Cygnus-X - The Orange Theme (1994)
Vernon - Vernons Wonderland (1993)
Odyssee of Noises - Firedance (1994)
Brainchild - Symmetry (1994)

these are tunes which have been rereleased numerous times.
Off Suck Me Plasma I can only think of Sunbeam - Outside World and the early Dance 2 Trance releases which were important.

Posted by Aiwendil on Nov-15-2005 20:33:

Sven Vath had nothing to do with the founding of Eye Q....

Posted by RebeL9 on Nov-15-2005 21:01:

quote:
Originally posted by Aiwendil
Sven Vath had nothing to do with the founding of Eye Q....

indeed he had.

Between summer 1991 and spring 1992 Sven V�th founded the label "EYE-Q" together with his manager Heinz Roth and Matthias Hoffmann. It was divided into the two sublabels "HARTHOUSE" (for a techno/house style) and "RECYCLE OR DIE" (featuring electronic instrumental/experimental/ambient music) and the the "EYE-Q Main Label" (for everything that doesn't fit into the other catagories).

(Taken from off Groove magazine)

Posted by dudgeon on Nov-15-2005 22:19:

dweebs.

Posted by Trance-M on Nov-16-2005 19:49:

quote:
Originally posted by RebeL9

these are tunes which have been rereleased numerous times.
Off Suck Me Plasma I can only think of Sunbeam - Outside World and the early Dance 2 Trance releases which were important.

I believe it depends to what you were listening in the 90's.
These I still remember from the 90's:

Final Fantasy = Komakino
Rodd-Y-Ler
York
Kai Tracid

Also, after Talla founded the record company Music Research many sub-labels appeared:

quote:
Bonzai Germany, Bonzai Trance Germany, Chaos Records, F-Beat Records, Fetish, Future Recordings, Influence Recordings, Komatunes, Metamatic (Germany), Mindworx Records, Music Research Special Products, New Zone, SFX, Sound Of The Supermarket, Suck Me Plasma, Tetsuo, Tripomatic Records Germany, Unreal, XTC Germany, Zoth Ommog

Especially Bonzai and Tetsuo had some famous producers. But enough about labels, producers jumped from one label to the another and back.

http://www.discogs.com/label/Music+Research

That's why I said Talla maybe had a bigger contribution. I didn't look how much succes the tracks had. Other labels lateron probably had more succes.

Posted by Aiwendil on Nov-16-2005 20:53:

Alright, Talla was bigger and earlier than I thought. However, I question what was actually played at Dorian Grey and "technoclub" up until '88-'90; how much of it was actually techno.

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