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so kent, how you like them tiesto sets

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Originally posted by Ishkur (yeah, like Madonna is going to come out and say she's creatively bankrupt and thus relies on ye olde hot producer du jour to stay relevant...the 'disco tribute' is a great story, and perfect because she can keep saying that in interviews and on talk shows to plug her album, because when it comes to truth, repetition and visibility win out every time.)

Did I ever say Madonna was a genius?
No.


Did I say she was orginal?
No.


Do I think this album appeals to what you termed 'underground electro' fans?

No.

Is this electro?

No.

Is this album a cheese fest?

Yes.

Will it be popular with homosexuals in nightclubs across the world ?

Yes.

Is this electro?

No.

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Originally posted by montana so kent, how you like them tiesto sets

You mean PvD. I haven't listened to them yet.

I will tonight.

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Originally posted by montana No No No No Yes Yes No

No argument there. But to be so naive as to think she was doing it as a fanservice to disco? ....come on. I get a funny image here of Madonna making calls around the house scene, looking for a producer who will make a disco tribute album.

And all of them are replying "Wow, Madonna. Tribute to disco? Out of house music? That's just never been done before!!!"

It's like the President claiming that his latest speech was a tribute to freedom.

Your claim was

1) 'electro is the current trend in dance music'

so

2)'madonna hires a producer to make her an electro album'


so

3) 'madonna is a opportunist'

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I rebut

1) yes electro but do you even know what electro is becuase JLC would not be a top choice if that was the angle she was going for?? Also minimal is also very popular,some would say more popular than electro, why not a minimal album ???

2) the album is not electro. This is my main point. If she was an opportunist than she clearly would have made an electro album and sold it to the kiddies. If anything, this album has elements of house and disco.Disco house maybe BUT NOT ELECTRO. This is the sole reason why your claim is wrong. Than how come the trance kiddies think Ishkur is so right?? Because you make up shit to prove a point, kinda like what you did in your EDM guide You start off with an obvious point ( i.e. electro is popular) but than you bullshit to make another point (i.e. madonna's album is electro THUS money hungry bitch). If only you understood what electro was than you could see why I am laughing at you, hence the

3) I don't think she's an opportunist but rather a very succesful POP artist that has the ability to re-define what she represents in music. One must admire her willingness to change. The other side of this spectrum are artists like Armin can Buuren who fear change because their army of cheesy fans fear a new musical direction, especially if it doesnt include a snare roll build up

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Originally posted by Roger Federer Your claim was 1) 'electro is the current trend in dance music'

Nope.

Check your premises. You're wrong because you pretended I said something I did not.

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Originally posted by Ishkur Nope. Check your premises. You're wrong because you pretended I said something I did not.

You said the following....

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Ishkur 2005: Now electro-house rules the dancefloors. Naturally, Madonna wants to co-opt this and pretend it's something she invented too. So Confessions on a Dancefloor has got the neo-synthpop sound through and through. The smartest thing she did was hire Les Rhythmes Digitales to be the mastermind of it.

electrohouse != electro.

I thought I explained this already.

Pay attention, stupid. *wack*

If you're implying that I somehow let Tiesto and AvB off the hook, you really haven't been paying very close attention.

edit to add: my esteemed ATP ranked #1 colleague here was making a comparison between Madonna, Tiesto and AvB with regards to pop music before he wisely chickened out and omitted the post.

Nah, Armin isn't a pop artist. He just seems to be trying and failing miserably.

That Madonna is sharp at culling the underground for style is exactly why, almost by definition, she is such a long-running, successful pop artist. The difference is that many of her fans realize this; her brand is a guilty pleasure because it (usually) poppifies so well.

There's such a thing as good and bad pop.

I still get a kick out of this comment on Discogs.

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Originally posted by 0x00 Madonna's influence on electronic music cannot be overstated. Having gained her Masters in electrical engineering from Cornell University, her passion for creating new sonic textures lead her away from academia and along a path that was to alter the way we think of sound. In 1984 she produced what years later became recognised as the first jungle record: 'Holiday', which utilised homemade synthesis technology, and though it failed to sell all 250 copies her n-pole digital filtering algorithm proved sufficiently innovative to earn a lucrative licensing deal with Korg. But it was acid techno where she made her name. A young Richard D. James was in the crowd during a live performance in the notorious underground club BBC Television Centre. "It was mental," he recalled, "she was setting up huge fucking standing waves everywhere, people would step into them and their arms would snap. It was like the vortex from The Adventure Game." Responding to accusations that she had sold out after being revealed as the real creative force behind Goldie's 'Timeless' and the publication of her poorly-received book 'Sex', a history of Islamic theology, exegesis and law, Madonna was scornful. "These people wouldn't even know what I was selling out from! They aren't my people. They aren't music people. Homosexual men in their late thirties with large disposable income and racks of Kylie and Abba � THESE are music people." In 1998 she married film director Chris Cunningham. They have two children.

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Originally posted by Cobalt There's such a thing as good and bad pop.

Good pop:





Baaaaaaaaad pop:

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Ishkur
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Roger Federer

I read through the posts and noticed a pattern. I think the problem you two guys have is that none of you really defined what electro is? You keep smacking the term around without any proper meaning.

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Originally posted by stevieboy32808 [QUOTE]Originally posted by Ishkur [QUOTE]Originally posted by Roger Federer I read through the posts and noticed a pattern. I think the problem you two guys have is that none of you really defined what electro is? You keep smacking the term around without any proper meaning.

Don't you pay attention...

Jeez.

I don't care what all ya'll say! Just enjoy the music. I haven't moved to a dance/pop album in a long while like with this one. Madonna is such a poser sometimes, but this album is amazing club material!!!!! Just enjoy, you technical/jargon poser freaks!

and... YAHHHHH!

We all need to cooommmmmeee together and hail to Missie B's, a gay queens club, form a train and gyrate while Madonna is humping through the speakers. hmm. I'm behind Ishkur!!

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Originally posted by Ishkur Madonna is a master of taking what the underground is doing, exploiting it, and selling a cheap, plastic pop version of it to the masses for commercial digestion. 1990: Madonna looks at the underground New York gay fashion scene, full of style, excess, posture, and that lovely Italo House with those piano hooks. She rips off the scene and releases Vogue. 1992: Madonna focuses her sights on the emerging club kink/fetish scene, exploits it, and churns out Erotica. (and releases a raunchy book too, perfect for the art-house crowd). 1998: Madonna sees the growing fascination with trance explode everywhere, seeks to exploit it, hires William Orbit to be her Producer, and the end result is Ray of Light. 2000: French house is king in the club circuit, Madonna notices this too, seeks some funky french filter beats on her next album, which becomes Music. The real genius behind this album? Mirwais. 2005: Now electro-house rules the dancefloors. Naturally, Madonna wants to co-opt this and pretend it's something she invented too. So Confessions on a Dancefloor has got the neo-synthpop sound through and through. The smartest thing she did was hire Les Rhythmes Digitales to be the mastermind of it. For all her staying power, Madonna is really only good at one thing: Surrounding herself with the best people she can find. I think of her more as a clever businessperson, a scenester, a poser, and a fronter all in one. But not really a musician. She's good at what she does, but she's really only a hollow faceplate, a shallow shell of what's actually there.

While this maybe true, she deserves credit for this in my eyes. She may not be the master originated of what she does, but the fact that she continues to keep her eyes open and ears to the ground with whats going on in the world, knows who to employ to make it a more money making invention than what it was before she got involved, makes excellent business sense.

At the end of the day "Madonna" has become a busines, and when busines's do the above, they make millions, as she has done.

But ultimately she can sing, and she does make good music, if u are prepared to look beyond the politics of it, or how she's made it.

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Originally posted by Coup While this maybe true, she deserves credit for this in my eyes. She may not be the master originated of what she does, but the fact that she continues to keep her eyes open and ears to the groud with whats going on in the world, knows who to employ to make it a more money making invention than what it was before she got involved, makes excellent business sense. At the end of the day "Madonna" has become a busines, and when busines's do the above, they make millions, as she has done. But ultimately she can sing, and she does make good music, if u are prepared to look beyond the politics of it, or how she's made it.

again - nice post COUP!


Jealousy and fame are sometimes ugly!


And I sense a lot of Jealousy and no FAME in this thread....

Ugly comments from cynical uneducated fools.....

The plague of TA!

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Originally posted by Coup While this maybe true, she deserves credit for this in my eyes. She may not be the master originated of what she does, but the fact that she continues to keep her eyes open and ears to the ground with whats going on in the world, knows who to employ to make it a more money making invention than what it was before she got involved, makes excellent business sense. At the end of the day "Madonna" has become a busines, and when busines's do the above, they make millions, as she has done. But ultimately she can sing, and she does make good music, if u are prepared to look beyond the politics of it, or how she's made it.

Yes, but you totally miss the point of Ish's post- which is that Madonna goes around proclaiming that she's reinvented modern music, when she is just following the crowd.

But does Madonna go round claiming that shes reinvented x,y & z or does the media say it and she just rides the wave?

I've heard for years "Madonna is the master of reinventing herself" - but its always came from someone elses lips, and never hers.

Madonna - Get Together on this album is great.

Well here's the straight up press release from the label:

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Destined to be one of the records of the year, Confessions On A Dance Floor is the eagerly anticipated new album from Madonna. Effortlessly addictive and relentlessly energetic, Madonna reinvents dance music once again with 12 stunning new tracks under the realm of �future disco� � all seamlessly segued in a classic dance club format.

She might not have typed that, but that's the official slant on the record.

lol fair do's then.

It's abit of a catch 22. U want to like it because it is good music, but its only good because everyone else does it. argh.

That's a Catch 22?

yes.

You haven't read the book then?

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