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Posted by ShadoWolf on Dec-21-2005 18:11:

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Originally posted by MarkT
that STILL does not provide a REASON for voting Conservative (or NDP or Green or...)

The flaw of the CPC is that their entire strategy, to date, has been a reaction of the Liberals. It's been proven, repeatedly, that the people DO NOT RESPOND to this approach.

If Harper and his people had half a brain, they'd completely drop the corruption angle...it's clear that outside of Quebec, enough people don't care.

It may be wrong...but it's apparently the case and you have to work in reality, not in theory. In theory, people would be so outraged, that they'd boot the Liberals...but that's not happending. So you either amend your strategy...or you fail.

Everytime someone says "why should I vote for Harper", the answer is a slew of anti-Liberal points...that's not going to cut it whether you like it or not.

but ok...stick to the bashing...I hope Harper does the same...he'll be able to continue bashing as the leader of the opposition AGAIN after the next election.

Obviously you're completely oblivious to what's been going on in the past month. The CPC has released a slew of policies; they've defined the campaign so far. They've been focusing on their policy-a-day and have hardly mentioned corruption. Actually the Bloc's been talking about corruption more than any other opposition party.

Posted by Moral Hazard on Dec-21-2005 18:16:

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Originally posted by MarkT
to be fair, many will argue that the U.S.S.R. was not even an example of true socialism...pure socialism has also arguably not existed anywhere on earth at any point in recent history.

The only true socialist society that ever existed was New Haven Indian in 1824. It was a town purchased by Robert Owen who built all the industry and commerce required to support the town. People volunteered to work in the town in exchange for free housing, food, goods, services, education, health care, etc. No money was paid or accepted in the town. The goods produced in the textile mill (I think it was a textile mill.... makes sense as that's how Owen made his fortune) paid for everything. The town existed and operated as a socialist utopia for several decades before they abandoned the socialist ideals upon which it was founded.

Posted by DigiNut on Dec-22-2005 02:59:

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Originally posted by AwakenedAddict
Economic growth then is curbed to provide a more egalitarian society. However, such restrictions to economic growth are probably prudent in the Canadian economic climate in order to curb inflation currently experienced due to higher prices of oil, base metals and other primary materials.

I don't understand this - the higher prices of oil, base metals, and other primary materials is caused by international factors. Even if it were caused by local inflation, inflation is a naturally-occurring process and it is not caused solely by economic growth.

Economic growth combined with inflation would raise the overall wage, which would dramatically lessen the effect of rising commodity prices.

Posted by DigiNut on Dec-22-2005 03:06:

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Originally posted by MarkT
to be fair, many will argue that the U.S.S.R. was not even an example of true socialism...pure socialism has also arguably not existed anywhere on earth at any point in recent history.

having said that...the question then becomes, is *pure* socialism even possible, given the seemingly inevitable corruption and inefficiencies that result, by human nature.

"Pure" socialism in terms of what you're referring to can never exist because people aren't altruistic by nature. People are self-interested. However, that isn't something that can be controlled - the USSR was as close to pure Socialism as can actually be regulated, and it and all the various other Communists experiments in Europe have all failed.

In theory, there is no difference between what happens in practice and what happens in theory. In practice, there is.

Government is by definition a bureaucracy, and bureaucracies may be efficient in theory but everyone who has ever dealt with Bell knows that they are very inefficient in practice. The more services you delegate to the government, the more inefficient they become and the more they cost... eventually, in a purely Socialist society, those costs will overwhelm society's net productivity and it will go into heavy debt, and subsequently die. That's what's happened with every Socialist experiment so far!

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