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Originally posted by Dr P your a dickhead.

dont be such a wank, he has some very valid points

When I first got into edm, I was about 15-16 and listening to club escape on triple j on saturday nights (90/91?). What really blew me away lying in the dark with just the music was how different it was to anything i had ever heard before. I was hooked.
Nowadays, Saturday night radio (in Adelaide at least) the choice is more broad, but house based.
I guess the point I am rying to make is that the younger crowd are being introduced to house from an early age and little if any trance (DJ Sammy!!!- what sort of crap is that). Their tastes are shapped around music that plays for 3-4 mins, whereas a trance track is double that, and so comercial stations won't play it. Even Fresh Fm announcers will cut out a trance track just after a breakdown kicks back in at times during the day (not always).
Ministry on Austereo (goes national)
Nova has a house show .
Triple J has mixup which can be anything from hip hop to trance.
If we want the scene to grow back to what it once was, we all need to go out every weekend or close to it - I admit I don't go out anywhere near what I used to, not because "it's not the same anymore" that would be boring, but because I have other things in my life than just clubbing.
Strategies are required to "grow the audience".
And promoters need to look for and encourage new Dj's and producers. Ozzy product should be encouraged and exported, not just realy on imports. Just like economics, It is what bankrupts the nation.

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Originally posted by Dr P your a dickhead. sometimes.... (better queen of trance?)

Dr P. What do you mean by this...

This is just my take on things, everyone has a different view based on their experiences.

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Originally posted by skot_e If we want the scene to grow back to what it once was, we all need to go out every weekend or close to it - I admit I don't go out anywhere near what I used to, not because "it's not the same anymore" that would be boring, but because I have other things in my life than just clubbing. Strategies are required to "grow the audience". And promoters need to look for and encourage new Dj's and producers. Ozzy product should be encouraged and exported, not just realy on imports. Just like economics, It is what bankrupts the nation.

dude you are so correct. everyone loves trance - you just have to give it to them at the right time, and the right trance for the crowd. ease them into it and out of it, and they've love you for it.

I just played this new years on a rooptop in the city, 100-150 people on or immediately around the dance floor, and we went house, electro, prog, trance and psy, for 16 hours straight (complete with the jan driver mix of man with a red face as the first track after midnight, and all ten minutes of halcyon+on+on at sunrise) across 6 DJs, with lots and lots of the same peple on the dancefloor throughout. The modern day trance tracks we played filled the floor just as well as every decent track we played. eg reflekt - need to feel loved (thrillseekers mix) into hydra - affinity (thrillseekers dub), I swear if I had 20 minute versions of those tracks they'd both have been played in their entirety to a dancefloor populated almost entirely with very happy non-trance people. Here's something Max Graham, Judge Jules and Armin Van Buuren already know: people love dancing to trance, provided you don't smash them with it the second they walk in the door and continue whacking them with it until they start to bleed. Present them with a meal with all the major food groups and they'll eat it for hours. Anyone who's seen a major trance international play for more than two hours at a major day festival has seen this - I don't see why it's so difficult for the locals to apply.

*insert plug for interview ii sat feb 14, the night where, shh, don't tell, you may actually hear trance.*

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Originally posted by DJ_StEviE Hi all, From memory this might be my first post. So I apologise if its long, painful, generalised and a duplicate of what others have said.

Dude you're totally correct. Why do you think Armin released Mode Hookers - Breathe, an Angello and Ingrosso (main room house boys) track on Armind (melodic trance label)? Because right now trance sets need to sound a bit like house in parts in order to maintain the affection of the munter-fearing trancephobic masses.

If your friend is seriously good and he's looking for a gig, tell him to get a CD to Ben or myself and/or have a chat with one of us at some point in the near future.

Heres one for you... Cosmic Gate opened with Mode Hookers - Breathe.

and also played TBA - SOS and a conjunction of other beautiful tracks. I think you guys should look into this international movement of joining the sounds we love now together for a great party vibe. cause thats what its all about right.

Cosmic Gate - Kings of Cheese... Pure awesomeness!!!

I dont fully agree with this whole 'working together' idea, Too many captains and only 1 ship.

but i'll help out where i can. i still believe that the 'Trance' scene needs to be completly reworked from grass roots. its the only way to see it work in the future.

Yes. Interview is our idea on how this should be done imo.

when i was leaving summadayze trance afterparty and just about to do a obsession flyer handout in front of metro i got stopped by the bouncer who supposedly work for bass station, the reason was 'because it is on friday night it will take away our business' and i was told to move to the end of the street...


he does have a point, but if only the scene isn't so divided... (and i can get away with murder after i bash the cvnt's skull with something heavy)

i dont want to stand there and arguing and angry and still stay smashed so i took off..

"Present them with a meal with all the major food groups and they'll eat it for hours."

Nuthin like a five course meal at a fine restaurant!!

Here's what i don't understand, you try to give out flyers for your night, but the 'competition ' don't like that so they stop you, meaning people don't find out about their choice. That means when they get bored of the same place, they just go to a diffeent tyle eg house night.
There's nufink wrong with a little competition as more choices means a strong scene, people will still go to both.

Pendulum played here in Adelaide in Dec, and on the same night they played in two different clubs, and from all accounts both sold out (or close to it) - different scene but same principles.

This whole 'working together' thing... If all the promoters got together and put on one night ie house, trance, hard,DnB, the punters would have only one choice for the night, and I bet it would sell out no probs. Just like the big day out but all stages edm. Now I'm not saying that thats gotta happen weekly, but to say it should never happen, I don't agree with.

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Originally posted by Anomyst Heres one for you... Cosmic Gate opened with Mode Hookers - Breathe...

I understand what you mean by too many captains and one ship. But we are already working together. Look at the replies in this thread already, some awesome ideas here from all kinds of audiences, DJ's, punters, promoters, etc. This is what we need as a starting point.

BTW. Cosmic Gate kicked butt. Love they way they built the set, housey/prog/slow, techy, hard trance, roof raising explosive build up's, increased energy at the end. They could have played a *similar* set just about anywhere. Look at what Armin has been playing of recent, prog, tech, hard trance, driving uplifting, techno... Different to 3 years ago.

As Armin says "Don't be a prisoner of your own style!". Sometimes we need to change with the times. If the 'problem' seems to stem too deep (ie: education/house all over the radio) and the the city/clubbers want house, give them house, with your own trance influence, ease them into it, make the club unique. If we didnt change with the times we would still be playing 90's techno.

The people are who DJ's are playing for, we shouldnt be playing for ourselves. I mean, we can, but we are playing music so people can have a good time so we need to more open to the peoples needs.

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Originally posted by DJ_StEviE BTW. Cosmic Gate kicked butt. Love they way they built the set, housey/prog/slow, techy, hard trance, roof raising explosive build up's, increased energy at the end. They could have played a *similar* set just about anywhere. Look at what Armin has been playing of recent, prog, tech, hard trance, driving uplifting, techno... Different to 3 years ago. As Armin says "Don't be a prisoner of your own style!". Sometimes we need to change with the times. If the 'problem' seems to stem too deep (ie: education/house all over the radio) and the the city/clubbers want house, give them house, with your own trance influence, ease them into it, make the club unique. If we didnt change with the times we would still be playing 90's techno. The people are who DJ's are playing for, we shouldnt be playing for ourselves. I mean, we can, but we are playing music so people can have a good time so we need to more open to the peoples needs.

Fah King Oath!!

I have been listening to mixes by some of you on here a lot lately. One thing that strikes me is they have there moments, but in an hour or so mix they are generally very repetitive and boring. I think it may be the new trance (which is boring) and prolly the most boring genre (prog) being combined.

I don't think trance is at that point where it is accessible by general public.

Thats just my opinion though.

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Originally posted by queen_vee And why does Hardware have PvD? Oh it's all too weird.

Hardware have always brough PVD out here & I thank god that they do and not Future. Any reason why you think it is weird?

there needs to be a fleet, but there also has to be the flagship

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Originally posted by Light The Fuse there needs to be a fleet, but there also has to be the flagship

agreed. can i be on the "executor"? its vader's command ship

only if i can be on the excelsior (lt. sulu's ship in star trek 6)

oh gawd thats ghey

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Originally posted by Light The Fuse oh gawd thats ghey

revel in your gayness jpl!

a pinko commie & a nerd!! am impressed

well, i used to be quite involved in the Trancetribe scene and was at the first ever ANOT.. i'm now living in the UK and have done a few parties in europe while here..

the thing that came to mind regarding getting the Aus scene back on track is the females attendance. someone brought it up before (think it might have been pauly), and it's extremely true. While at Trance Energy last year, there was a heap of good lucking women around - and the majority of people were just drinking!

i think to get trance back on track, we need to take a three pronged approach:

1). make trance sexy again. as mentioned, more class = more women, more women = more men, more men = more drinking, more drinking = more succesful. sad that drinking is the measure/cause of a succesful night. the question is, how do you do this? i think one of the best ideas is to get photographers on board (hired, or users like ITM). when posting pictures after the event, be blatant. post the pictures of the girls who are dressed up etc. it's f'ing shallow, but something done in marketing on a daily basis.

2). production. the majority of my best memories of trance are based around production. sure, i've heard great sets played out with a friendly crowd, but it's always the production which really inspires me, and get's me back to a night. a perfect example was halcyon in sydney. balloons falling from the roof, Gas entirely decked out in a punk theme, a fricking IGLOO on stage! that sort of stuff gets people talking. Obviously, it also costs money, and is hard to maintain, but i think it's often quite overlooked. a lot of production will be based around having 10 gazillion lasers (ANOT), but in truth, small, cheap and effective ideas (spaceman(?) - balloons!) can often be better.

3). drinks vs. drugs this is the hardest issue about trance in australia, and to an extent in the UK as well. trance is seen to be such a hardcore drug infested scene that many who might enjoy the music or production will shy away. if club nights are to bring in more women (see point 1), then they need to shrug this image. In the UK, drugs are cheaper than alcohol in clubs, but this isn't the case in australia - yet the percentages of those drinking or doing drugs is approximately the same (in my experience). in Holland, drug usage is less than the UK, with more people just drinking booze. once we can get this reversal of mentality sorted in aus, the scene will change dramatically for the better. but how do we do this? lower drink prices (somehow ANOT were doing this?) at clubs will make a *huge* difference. ultimately, this is something managed by the club owner, but it might be a good idea to try and put some pressure on them..

thoughts?

good post adam

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN tathi sucks lots of cock.

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Originally posted by tathi good post adam

my name isnt adam.

JUBAS!!!!!

hahaha! Remember Halcyon - Frozen??

LOL @ pkc.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN my name isnt adam.

sorry Delilah :/

freudian slips in the throes of passion are so embarrassing

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Originally posted by tathi sorry Delilah :/ freudian slips are in the throes of passion are so embarrassing

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delilah aye? pretty old-fashioned name but i can deal.

a question for y\'all- is the trance scene more littered with drug use than any other edm scene? from my limited experience its pretty much equal between the genres...

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Originally posted by Anomyst ?

take out the "are" and it should make more sense

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PKC a question for y'all- is the trance scene more littered with drug use than any other edm scene? from my limited experience its pretty much equal between the genres...

People in the trance scene tend to get alot messier; although it's mainly the Hardtrance and Hardstyle scene that has given uplifting / melodic trance this drug fucked stigma

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