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Turn the island into ClubLand with big sound proof barriers around it..........

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Originally posted by Owen M Turn the island into ClubLand with big sound proof barriers around it..........

unfortunately you'd ahve to move those fucks out of there first, and there's no way they're leaving those cushy spots.

I just don't understand why the people on the island are being blamed for this? how about being mad at the docs for NOT sound proofing their club properly? Do it right and NOBODY has a problem. I would be PISSED if I had to hear music all night long out of some club. There are noise curfews for a reason, just follow them and everyone can get along. You don't see the Guv getting in crap. Man in Miami (south beach) the sound resrtictions are so agressive now clubs are being shut down all over the place.... and just so you know these resrtrictions were around BEFORE the docs came along, they are well known, and the docs couldn't follow them.

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Originally posted by arghh I just don't understand why the people on the island are being blamed for this? how about being mad at the docs for NOT sound proofing their club properly? Do it right and NOBODY has a problem. I would be PISSED if I had to hear music all night long out of some club. There are noise curfews for a reason, just follow them and everyone can get along. You don't see the Guv getting in crap. Man in Miami (south beach) the sound resrtictions are so agressive now clubs are being shut down all over the place.... and just so you know these resrtrictions were around BEFORE the docs came along, they are well known, and the docs couldn't follow them.

Before you spout off newbie , learnt the facts , the docks has spent hundreds of thousands on sound proofing , even more on noise monitoring equipment and turned down the system to a level that is deemed inadequate by many.
this is not good enough for the islanders , they do not even want the small 8" 60 watt speakers playing on our patio , fact is they don't want us open anymore even though they actually aknowledge that things are much better.

The Guv doesn't get in crap because they are not so close and FYI , there are charges lined up for every club near the water once they have dealt with the docks , we are just the first.

The Hypocrasy of all this is that they want to use the law to force us out , yet they themselves refused legal procedings to evict them years ago , now they want the law on thier side
and many times have accused us of noise when we haven't even been open and the noise source has turned out to be a boat cruise or the Guv .

As Jayx has put it they live in a city , we offered to soundproof thier cottages but they want to sleep at night with the windows open

we employ 400 people pay millons in city taxes (more in 1 year then all the islanders put together would ever pay) and proveide indirect revenue to countless other suppliers and businesses.
Do they care that all these people will be out of work, do they care , hell no , they will only be happy when there are no boatcruises, no redpath sugar (yes they have complained about them to) , no Guv , no Island airport etc etc

so unless you know what you are taling about how about a nice cup of shut the fuck up

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Originally posted by techead Do they care that all these people will be out of work, do they care , hell no

You'd rather they were out of a home... do you really lack the perspective to see how absurd your rhetoric is?

Try telling your family there is no pay cheque anymore and then see how your perspective is

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Originally posted by basilisk You'd rather they were out of a home... do you really lack the perspective to see how absurd your rhetoric is?

LOLOL

yea cuz if the Docks stay open then the poor poor islanders are gonna be living on the street

edit: and to be honest I'm really surprised how successful the islanders have been.

I'm commenting on the disgusting sentiment to bulldoze the island homes... this isn't Palestine you creeps.

Canadians need to lighten up with the noise....I doubt its that bad....I mean on the patio in the summer you can barely hear the noise inside...

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Originally posted by basilisk I'm commenting on the disgusting sentiment to bulldoze the island homes... this isn't Palestine you creeps.

And would you like to point to where I suggested bulldozing thier homes in my "rhetoric"

My $0.02

Again, I question why the ownership of nightclub establishments are not engaging their patrons, encouraging them to get involved and voice their support for the industry.

There is only a handful of clubs, club owners and club employees - however there are tens of thousands of people who go to downtown nightclubs on a yearly basis.

It is up to -all- stakeholders to get involved, however since it is the club owner's livelihood at stake - I'd expect them to put together an initiative to make sure that the regional governments hear the stakeholder�s opinions.

Resident groups seem to have no trouble organizing themselves - look at the results they get. The problem is that the resident groups tend to misrepresent what the "club scene" is all about (thus getting judgments in their favor).

Club owners, employees, patrons and supporters united under a single common voice, repeatedly, strategically and continually presenting a cohesive message of how important the industry is to the economy, how valuable it is to the citizens and how it contributes to a healthy city is the only way that these type of situations are going to be combated.

To conclude - there is a vast resource of patrons who care about their weekend entertainment options downtown Toronto. It is up to the club owners to group together and put forth a strategic plan to ensure that the "club scene"'s voice is heard by legislators.

Consider the impact if every club in the downtown handed out a flyer to patrons as they exited, explaining the situation and encouraging them to visit a website which would provide instructions on how and who to contact at city hall to voice support for the nightclub industry.

Consider the impact of handing out to every club patron a postage-paid post-card, already filled out and pre-addressed to city hall, with a spot for the patron to fill in their name/address/phone and drop into a mail box, stating their support for the nightclub industry.

If one seeks change, one must be willing to organize.

Re: My $0.02

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker If one seeks change, one must be willing to organize.

Thats an interesting idea RJ!
I have never really thought of that approach before, I wonder if something like that will ever occur?

Re: My $0.02

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker If one seeks change, one must be willing to organize.

Thats an interesting idea RJ!
I have never really thought of that approach before, I wonder if something like that will ever occur?

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Originally posted by poli Canadians need to lighten up with the noise....I doubt its that bad....I mean on the patio in the summer you can barely hear the noise inside...

Yes, culturally we are very quite people. We seem to be very sensitive about the noise.

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur Dude, soon people will come to Montreal from Toronto and be like "What? we don't have to wear a grey jumpsuit and walk on government-designated paths? Whoooooaaaa. That is too much freedom. I feeel like doing something really rebellious now, like smoking a cigarette ... in a public place."

Yeah and after May you wont be able to smoke that ciggarette in a public place. So get over it

I hope you all are voting in this election coming up. Yeah you might not think your voice wont make a difference but at least you did it hey?

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Originally posted by basilisk I'm commenting on the disgusting sentiment to bulldoze the island homes... this isn't Palestine you creeps.

When they call for extreme measures, so do i.

The fact is that they cant seem to live with their neighbours so why should others have to live with them?

They are already practically squatting on that land save for a "shut them up" agreement the NDP made with them in the early 90s.

If they want peace and quiet of northern ontario, i suggest they move there. Same goes for the idiots that moved into the club district and now complain about the clubs there.

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Originally posted by KaiLee Yeah and after May you wont be able to smoke that ciggarette in a public place. So get over it

Hey, I don't smoke, so I could give 2 shits less about it. But the smoking bylaws are getting ridiculous.

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur Hey, I don't smoke, so I could give 2 shits less about it. But the smoking bylaws are getting ridiculous.

you may not care about smoking but the same mode of thinking is being used in the docks case as well.

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Originally posted by KaiLee I hope you all are voting in this election coming up. Yeah you might not think your voice wont make a difference but at least you did it hey?

My thoughts exactly...and I hate the people that complain when they don't even take the time to vote. Don't complain about things if you're not going to do your small part to change them!

Re: My $0.02

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker Consider the impact if every club in the downtown handed out a flyer to patrons as they exited, explaining the situation and encouraging them to visit a website which would provide instructions on how and who to contact at city hall to voice support for the nightclub industry. Consider the impact of handing out to every club patron a postage-paid post-card, already filled out and pre-addressed to city hall, with a spot for the patron to fill in their name/address/phone and drop into a mail box, stating their support for the nightclub industry.

both really good idea's that have serious potential. Also, hanging up a small poster by the urinals in mens washroom would be good: it garantees that the message will be read.

You'd think that such idea's would be the first obvious move, but I guess club owners are too "proud" to ask for the patrons help?

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Originally posted by Jayx1 When they call for extreme measures, so do i. The fact is that they cant seem to live with their neighbours so why should others have to live with them? They are already practically squatting on that land save for a "shut them up" agreement the NDP made with them in the early 90s. If they want peace and quiet of northern ontario, i suggest they move there. Same goes for the idiots that moved into the club district and now complain about the clubs there.

have some consistency in your position...you claim to be *so* in favour of individual rights, yet you're quite contemptuous where the Islanders are concerned. They have a CONTRACTUAL RIGHT to live there by way of their gov't lease and they have a Charter-protected right to equal protection under the law.

"practically squating..."

you're problem ought to be with the gov't who signed that lease and the zoning officials who allowed mixed residential/commerical zoning instead of simply keeping it commercial...leave the people enjoying their RIGHTS alone.

RJ makes a great point...why has the Docks not engaged their patrons? By virtue of the club being their livlihood, they seem to have a larger stake in whether or not they stay open than we do. So organize already!

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur Hey, I don't smoke, so I could give 2 shits less about it. But the smoking bylaws are getting ridiculous.

Well I like the whole smoke free thing, and I smoke socially....you could smoke in clubs in Taipei and the whole smell of sweat and smoke on your clothes is rather disgusting and doesn't wash out easily. Plus smoking when you are dancing is like smoking when you are exercising...if someone wants a smoke bad enough they can go to the smoking rooms or go outside, if its that much of an inconvenience maybe you should consider other options besides smoking when you are out?
Clubs don't need to allow smoking to survive, but as for liquor licenses....well you do kind of need that if you want to run a nightclub here

oh my, if you are typical of the people employed by the docs, no wonder it is in trouble. I don't think the Islanders care if you spend 50 cents or a million bucks, they just don't want to hear music from your club at 4am. As far as how much tax money you pay, how many people you have working for ya, all of this is just excuses for why you feel you should be able to break the rules...poo on that.
Listen I have been to the docs on many occasions, I enjoy having it there, but in this arguement I am 100% on the side of the home owners, they were there first the noise guidlines are WELL established I don't know why you feel you should be able to break them.

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Originally posted by techead Before you spout off newbie , learnt the facts , the docks has spent hundreds of thousands on sound proofing , even more on noise monitoring equipment and turned down the system to a level that is deemed inadequate by many. this is not good enough for the islanders , they do not even want the small 8" 60 watt speakers playing on our patio , fact is they don't want us open anymore even though they actually aknowledge that things are much better. The Guv doesn't get in crap because they are not so close and FYI , there are charges lined up for every club near the water once they have dealt with the docks , we are just the first. The Hypocrasy of all this is that they want to use the law to force us out , yet they themselves refused legal procedings to evict them years ago , now they want the law on thier side and many times have accused us of noise when we haven't even been open and the noise source has turned out to be a boat cruise or the Guv . As Jayx has put it they live in a city , we offered to soundproof thier cottages but they want to sleep at night with the windows open we employ 400 people pay millons in city taxes (more in 1 year then all the islanders put together would ever pay) and proveide indirect revenue to countless other suppliers and businesses. Do they care that all these people will be out of work, do they care , hell no , they will only be happy when there are no boatcruises, no redpath sugar (yes they have complained about them to) , no Guv , no Island airport etc etc so unless you know what you are taling about how about a nice cup of shut the fuck up

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Originally posted by MarkT you're problem ought to be with the gov't who signed that lease and the zoning officials who allowed mixed residential/commerical zoning instead of simply keeping it commercial...leave the people enjoying their RIGHTS alone.

im quite consistant. Ive never had any tolerence for whiners like this. Ive always advocated that they move somewhere else if they dont like their neighbours and ive always believed in expropriation when necissary for public projects.

Without measures such as the one i suggest now, we wouldnt have any public space on toronto island at all.

Obviously the best solution would be a comprimise, but when there is no comprimise on their end then i take no pity on them.

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