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Originally posted by Biggy Malek, I don't know since how long you are in the Montreal clubbing and rave scene but... Before, there was parties every week, people used to dress like ravers. Now there is 2-3 parties a year. Cream used to be a 10 000 people party and now there is no more party. Bal en Blanc is doing good because there is a party atmosphere and because it's really commercial. People from Montreal approched GK to come here because they can't do parties anymore in Toronto. I don't think they will last so long here also. Wich club is doing house music night and doing so good in the city? Wich club is doing techno? Please, do not drop name like Parking (this is a gay club and totally different, fridays & saturdays are men only). Upper Club??? This is a 150 people club capacity that is really pack 15 times a year, wow! I will not blame them, at least they try.

Some of the parties you were reffering to as in the past, went bankrupt because of a good and healthy competition by afterhours in Montr�al and Aria of course. But there still many "raves" going on that are not talked about here on this site, there's a good listing of them on rave.ca

Some solid nights have been popping up in the last few years, namely at Time, Central from time to time, Living, now Myst is doing good, some good events at SAT, etc etc etc my head is about to explode, i don't feel like naming a shit load of clubs.

GK being aprochaed or not, they still put some big money in their last two events... if they didn't believe in the market they wouldn't put a single penny. Money isn't free.


Skipper: Mutek and Elektra are not dance events, but their mission is to push the boundaries of electronic music, transforming and pushing the genres to create new sounds and inspire djs and producers. In my opinioin they're as important and maybe more as large events here in Montr�al.

le central c toujours le party
vendredi & samedi
i dont go to afterhours anymore cause its way too late
alcohol brings a better vibe than pillz
we need clubs to widen their music styles
people need to learn about what is electronic music
since it seems to be hidden to the mass, apart from house
i dont care about how it cant work
in europe the scene is damn more impressive

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Originally posted by malek Skipper: Mutek and Elektra are not dance events, but their mission is to push the boundaries of electronic music, transforming and pushing the genres to create new sounds and inspire djs and producers. In my opinioin they're as important and maybe more as large events here in Montr�al.

I'm aware of what they are - I'm just saying that Mutek is an event that is talked about here in TO. It is definitely something that puts Montreal on the map. Same with some of the events that have been held at the SAT in the last few years.

You guys think you have it bad in MTL? Imagine loving Techno and being here in Toronto.

Sure, as Sarah points out.. there are smaller, hidden venues that are pumping out the sounds both in Toronto and MTL.. but I find Toronto(since I live here) is run by a monopoly of people...and if you're not known by any of these select few... u're an OUTSIDER...and feel weird, even simply attending one of these intimate parties. Everyone there seems to know each other.

People group together like schoolyard children and it makes the scene ..real unaccepting. This is what I've noticed here in Toronto. Even going as far as not too book dj's who spin in a certain venue that is not one of theirs. You virtually get 'blasklisted'..from them.

I remember when MTL "was" the place for Techno in Canada... and I also remembe talking to Louis about this very thing not too long ago..and he told me that it was on a decline in the city. Came as a big shock to me.

House is the grandaddy of EDM and will always be around.. i'm positive. Everything has it's time. Techno's will come soon .. again. Hopefully... it'll make big moves in Toronto.

Central Station is a very commercial venue and they play hip-hop alot (Time and Myst are restaurants, there is no dancefloor).


SAT = soci�t� des arts technologiques. Ce n'est pas un club.


Now, do you want me to start naming new hip-hop clubs, that are huge and pack every friday and saturday? There is 10 times more hip-hop clubs than before. On St-Laurent, people used to have house music, now it's hip-hop!

Malek, tu t'amuses � dire le contraire de tout ce que je dis ou quoi?
De nos jours, it's all about hip-hop.

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Originally posted by Biggy De nos jours, it's all about hip-hop.

it's all about to change soon

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Originally posted by Skipper I would still like to see Sven Vath @ Aria even though he is overpaid and overrated

Yes!! Apart from that last little comment .. I agree with this and hope for it. We need Sven in Aria!!


MT

ben non Biggy, c'est juste que je suis pas d'accord avec toi.

Y as pas 10 fois plus de clubs hiphop, c'est un peu exag�r�. Y'en a qui ouvrent et qui ferment tout le temps, c'est tout le temps comme ca dans le monde du nightlife.

La SAT se transforme de temps en temps en un club pour de la danse, les myst, Rosalie et Time, etc sont des restos mais durant la nuit c'est pas des restos, c'est des clubs, la piste de danse c'est les tables et les all�es. Les flyers du Myst nomment les djs, pas le menu de la soir�e.

Le Nexxt, Le living, upperclub, central et d'autres se debrouillent quand meme pas mal bien consid�rant qu'il ya ZERO support des m�dias de masse � la musique �lectronique. Dans mon livre � moi, c'est fort en crime r�ussir �a.

Plus les clubs du village qui ont en majorit� house, comme le unity2, sky, parking, etc.

Comme toutes choses, il y a des cycles, �a monte et �a descend, mon opinion c'est que la musique electronique est dans sa pente ascendante.

Skipper: Mutek is way bigger than people over here know about, its reknowed all over, they're even now making parallele festivals in south america...

ok

lets start on top of my head

DOME : commerical top 40 and hip-hop
LOFT : worst music selection, but fun place
NEXT : closed for now
MED : top 40 or whatever they can play
GLOBE : top 40 or whatever
BUENANOTTE : no more hosue nights... only top 40 stuff
SHED CAFE : top 40
UPPERCLUB : Good house, but only 200 to 300 people
VANITY / LONDON : top 40 or whatever
EXIT : GHETTO
4 PLAY : closed but will come back with GHETTO stuff
ORCHID : GHETTO
CAFETERIA : anything thats on a cd but sometimes good house when its miguel graca
JUICE : top 40
ROUGE : top 40
BALLROOM : top 40 and commercial house
RADIO LOUNGE : oldest music you can find
BOUDDHA BAR : tries to play good house but always end up with hip-hop or commercial stuff
LODGE : top 40
GOGO : top 40 to the fullest
BLVD : top 40 since house didnt work
COCO BONGO : hehehe guess what
BLIZZARTS : props for doin some pumpin house and breaks sometimes... also raggae
CENTRAL : commercial house and hip-hop, sunday is house but half is commercial
LIVING : top 40 to the fullest now... and hip hop mostly

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Originally posted by Skipper I would still like to see Sven Vath @ Aria even though he is overpaid and overrated

Skipper is officially my hero.

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Originally posted by FunKenLouis ok lets start on top of my head DOME : commerical top 40 and hip-hop LOFT : worst music selection, but fun place NEXT : closed for now MED : top 40 or whatever they can play GLOBE : top 40 or whatever BUENANOTTE : no more hosue nights... only top 40 stuff SHED CAFE : top 40 UPPERCLUB : Good house, but only 200 to 300 people VANITY / LONDON : top 40 or whatever EXIT : GHETTO 4 PLAY : closed but will come back with GHETTO stuff ORCHID : GHETTO CAFETERIA : anything thats on a cd but sometimes good house when its miguel graca JUICE : top 40 ROUGE : top 40 BALLROOM : top 40 and commercial house RADIO LOUNGE : oldest music you can find BOUDDHA BAR : tries to play good house but always end up with hip-hop or commercial stuff LODGE : top 40 GOGO : top 40 to the fullest BLVD : top 40 since house didnt work COCO BONGO : hehehe guess what BLIZZARTS : props for doin some pumpin house and breaks sometimes... also raggae CENTRAL : commercial house and hip-hop, sunday is house but half is commercial LIVING : top 40 to the fullest now... and hip hop mostly

I know the owner of Coco Bongo, or one of them anyway... Wow, that place is awful.

so its hopeless funkenlouis, why not turn aria into an all hiphop afterhours since you guys have basically don't believe in EDM?

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Originally posted by malek so its hopeless funkenlouis, why not turn aria into an all hiphop afterhours since you guys have basically don't believe in EDM?

not hopeless at all

just dont tell me st laurent is the spot for house

lucky we have dj kal that educates kids with new stuff

some of the biggest tracks at central station arent only crap

Not so Dirty - Whos who + Say What You Want - Ian Carey + some of his own tracks that are played often..

but st laurent isnt what it used to be... according to what im told from a lot of old-schoolers

ARIA isnt what it used to be, but i still work there and talk about it 24/7

im far from giving up man... even if sometimes im told i should

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Originally posted by FunKenLouis ARIA isnt what it used to be

I gonna have to agree with that 100%. From my first time at Aria(PVD) a while back compared to the last few times ive been to Aria its as if Im walking into a different club. Honestly I prefer Aria back in the day because I remember there was a special vibe especially when the big names came. Now days even with big names its not the same vibe, im not saying its a bad vibe but there is something missing. The only night I can say I really thought the vibe was cool was at Infected Mushroom and thats the last time I was at Aria. Im not sure if something is dying or just changing in Montreal but hopefully its just a change.

The purpose of this thread wasn't to talk about the 'glory' days of techno headliners at Aria, or headliners period, because I think everyone here knows that those days are long gone and for a number of reasons. But there was a strong techno scene in Montreal before Aria as well and I don't think just because they don't believe in the bookings anymore that no one else should either.

I have been encouraged by the fact that several people have approached me as a result of this thread, and offered to try to make something happen. It won't be easy for sure and who knows what will come out of it, but I still feel it is a positive sign that there are people willing to take a risk on promoting the music that they love. I can't say realistically that it would be a huge name at a big venue, but you have to start somewhere!
I will be in touch with those who have approached me when I have more info so we can try to work towards improving the status quo of techno in this city!

PS - Mutek and Elektra totally rock.. very high quality festivals that definitely get recognition far beyond our borders.

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Originally posted by Stilez You guys think you have it bad in MTL? Imagine loving Techno and being here in Toronto. Sure, as Sarah points out.. there are smaller, hidden venues that are pumping out the sounds both in Toronto and MTL.. but I find Toronto(since I live here) is run by a monopoly of people...and if you're not known by any of these select few... u're an OUTSIDER...and feel weird, even simply attending one of these intimate parties. Everyone there seems to know each other. People group together like schoolyard children and it makes the scene ..real unaccepting. This is what I've noticed here in Toronto. Even going as far as not too book dj's who spin in a certain venue that is not one of theirs. You virtually get 'blasklisted'..from them. I remember when MTL "was" the place for Techno in Canada... and I also remembe talking to Louis about this very thing not too long ago..and he told me that it was on a decline in the city. Came as a big shock to me. House is the grandaddy of EDM and will always be around.. i'm positive. Everything has it's time. Techno's will come soon .. again. Hopefully... it'll make big moves in Toronto.

It's unfortunate you feel this way about the TO techno scene, because I think it's APPEAL is the fact that it is intimate. there is a core group of techno lovers that does not convert to electro or house when things get stale, they either patiently wait it out, or they start up their own event.

I think you are letting paranoia get to you about feeling like an outsider, because the only thing that matters with this group is that you love techno. I was new to this city when I moved here in 2003 and since then I've become a part of that group - even though I've had some big big arguments with some of the people in it over different musical tastes (Toronto has a lot of purists due to its proximity to Detroit) but at the end of the day, we go to the same events and we buy each other a drinks and our arguments are laughed off.

I have a friend who is relatively new to electronic music - maybe new to techno a couple of years ago - and he is not a DJ, promoter, producer - just a music lover. I went with him to a tempo 416 event in January and couldn't believe it...he knew everyone! and he knew other newcomers to the techno community that had such love and passion for everything tech, but I had never met them before. it was awesome!

Now when I go to techno events, I feel a part of them...part of the scene here. it is great to go to an event, big or small, where you know many people and you know everyone is there for the music, not for the pills or whatever like at guvernment!

Anyways, enough about the TO scene...but if you'd like to change how you feel at these smaller events, come with me one time and I'll introduce you to people.

I am personally really pleased with TO's techno scene right now and couldn't ask for anything more, because I know it could and has been much worse. Don't take it for granted!

I'd take Toronto's techno bookings over Montreal's any day... well... for the last 2 years anyway! Looks like at this rate I will probably be doing a few more roadtrips by year's end as well.
I hope they have a few more big techno parties at the Guv with 3 or 4 headliners.

the key is to convert the youngins. period. radio + tv exposure. thats all the scene needs.

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with all the respecr i have for Aria and its staff...

personally i just think that Aria set up the standards (dj's fee) so high from the begining to attract the montreal crowd from Sona and Stereo w/ big headliners, that after a while no one (different promoters and clubs) were able to match up Aria's $ ... but after couple of years it kind of haunted back the club...


*first time i walked in to Aria was when Deep Dish played their last gig at Sona, so it was so packed over there, that i went to Aria after (june or july 2001)*


Re: Toronto
I used to live there, and paying $20 to the bouncer to get to club was very normal (except Industry)...here in montreal ppl have hard time to pay that money as a cover...so you go figure out the rest!

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Originally posted by Kate Manus I'd take Toronto's techno bookings over Montreal's any day... well... for the last 2 years anyway! Looks like at this rate I will probably be doing a few more roadtrips by year's end as well. I hope they have a few more big techno parties at the Guv with 3 or 4 headliners.

from what I can tell, the reason why techno at guv goes off so well is that there is a core crowd that goes to guvernment no matter what. They are good for paying for DJs like Carl and Richie to come in, but they don't give a shit about the music...it's a trade off, I guess.

Canada Day long weekend and thanksgiving Sunday seem to be the dates that guv brings in big techno names.

2deep: I have never ever greased the palm of a bouncer to get into a club.

toronto / guvernment would book COUNTRY music djs... and it would still be packed

dont tell me im wrong... cuz you know im right

thank you

Why are you being so confrontational?
I completely agree with you.

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Originally posted by Skipper Why are you being so confrontational? I completely agree with you.

sorry for the misunderstanding... that wasnt towards YOU as YOU skipper...

i was just saying YOU as no one can say it aint true

Sorry !

my bad...

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Originally posted by Skipper ...but if you'd like to change how you feel at these smaller events, come with me one time and I'll introduce you to people.

I might take you up on that offer. I always go to places, even if I don't know anyone. I'm there for the music anyways..not really to hang out with people.

But yeah, I had an idea I once shared...maybe someone would be interested in getting something going. It was along the lines of building a MTL <--> TO connection of some sort.. and why not start with TECHNO. I might have something in the works ..(hopefully) and might be stearing more towards the Techno sound..since House is fukin everywhere. Not bad.. i luv house. There's just so many other sounds out there other than the same old sound/track & style... over and over..and over.....

For me, it was unfathomable for MTL to lose it's love for Techno. I'm sure they're still out there... it's just with all the categorization and labelling of music that throws people off. Too many sub-genres. MTL had it right, please don't follow in TO's footsteps.

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