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Originally posted by FiK yeah all that cheesy, commercial bullshit

theres quality in cheesy, commercial bullshit...whats wrong with cheesy commercial bullshit..id rather listen to that, then cheesy commerical rock music

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Originally posted by Ian motorcycle - as the rush comes before this, about 2/3 of all new songs were listenable, now its more like 1 in 100 that is

Oh noes! I still love that track.....

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Originally posted by rob_sardellitti theres quality in cheesy, commercial bullshit...whats wrong with cheesy commercial bullshit..id rather listen to that, then cheesy commerical rock music

No there's not, that's why it's called cheesy commercial bullshit.

ayla - liebe

dj tiesto - ayla

Pvd - for an angel

Armin Van Burren

Tiesto

Paul Van Dyk

Markus Schulz

I dont remember 2000 good tracks released each year before 2002 or 2003 so how bout we'll all come down with the whole "trance is dead" statements??

there's alot of mediocre tracks but it has always been like this,only diffrence is that now there are more mediocre tracks than before...same amount of hits as i see it

THE tune that started the rot!

DJ Sammy-Heaven, this was the death knell for trance music!

where are you from wolftickets

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Originally posted by Dj Dissent mike kogling - the silence (tekara mix) such a massive tune nothing else could ever match up to it..the peak had been reached for trance n from this point on it all went downhill

uhuh. you do realize the melody was lifted from Depeche Mode - Enjoy The Silence? the song is nothing special. its a solid tune but most definetly not the pinnacle of trance.

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Originally posted by PersianMafia these forums are turning into elitist propaganda and are probably turning away more neutral skeptics from trance, rather than attracting them.

That's a good point, dude. I guess we could lighten up a little, but reminiscing on the good old days, does make you a little bitter!

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Originally posted by RapidFire uhuh. you do realize the melody was lifted from Depeche Mode - Enjoy The Silence? the song is nothing special. its a solid tune but most definetly not the pinnacle of trance.

...and it's not even trance, it's breaks.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery ...and it's not even trance, it's breaks.

Its not breaks.

Its just one of the many Trance tracks that use a breakbeat in place of a four to the floor kick.

basicly back in 99-00 the majority listened to more mainstream sort of trance like system f, rank 1, fire&ice and all the rest of the supersaw trance. and now that most of the people's taste has gone forward and they want more complex and sophisticated things from trance. so the sound that is popular atm is something that people who are still in the supersaw-stage don't get (it's too proggy or too electorish or too house).
basicly supersaw-stage people want simple songs with 4 sounds and a huge breakdown and anthem like melody..

sure there were some really good sophisticated trance in 99 too, sasha, bt, brothers in rhythm, salt tank, sander kleinenberg, sunday club etc..

anyway the point is if you don't like the sound of today's trance it's probably not because trance has gone worse, but because your taste of music is something else.

today's trance is far from cheesy compared to what all those happy happy joy supersaw tracks were in 99-00. sure there is a shit load of crap today and it might seem that it's all there is. but trance is more popular today and there are more and more producers, which instantly leads to more and more weak tunes.
but basicly there were A LOT of shit in 99-00 years too, but since the internet wasn't what it is nowadays and there weren't that many deejays, most stuff you hear is basicly good stuff, but back in those days labels even released those lame shitty songs on vinyl.

Energy 52 - Caf� del Mar

Am I elitist yet?

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Originally posted by dittoalex Energy 52 - Caf� del Mar Am I elitist yet?

Yes. You must be some sort of uber-elitist to think the rot started in 1993. That's hardcore elitism right there.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Yes. You must be some sort of uber-elitist to think the rot started in 1993. That's hardcore elitism right there.

Haha! Even the Discogs denizens will throw trance a bone up to '94.

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Originally posted by JakeC Its not breaks. Its just one of the many Trance tracks that use a breakbeat in place of a four to the floor kick.

The kickdrum pattern is what defines breakbeat and it's subgenres...

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Originally posted by kr00t0n The kickdrum pattern is what defines breakbeat and it's subgenres...

Breaks is the shittest genre ever. It is not defined by just having a breakbeat. So many tracks which are just trance or prog house with a breakbeat get marched off to join this mythical Breaks genre.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Breaks is the shittest genre ever. It is not defined by just having a breakbeat.

Yes it is.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery Yes it is.

We've already had this discussion. If that is true, The Prodigy, Pendulum, the Future Sound of London, Orbital, BT, Praga Khan and a million others are all just Breaks. It's bollocks. There's not a genre called Four on the Floor, encompassing every other dance genre out there.

Breaks is shit, umbrella catch-all for any tune with a breakbeat. Never mind what actual style they are- just name them after the most obvious feature. Shit, non-genre. Banish the term.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J We've already had this discussion. If that is true, The Prodigy, Pendulum, the Future Sound of London, Orbital, BT, Praga Khan and a million others are all just Breaks. It's bollocks. There's not a genre called Four on the Floor, encompassing every other dance genre out there. Breaks is shit, umbrella catch-all for any tune with a breakbeat. Never mind what actual style they are- just name them after the most obvious feature. Shit, non-genre. Banish the term.

Yes, we already had this discussion and I thought I made myself pretty clear back then already.

Breaks is the "main" genre for these - no track is just breaks alone, it usually gets some other word attached to it. This particular track is on the trancey side of breakbeat.

I'm going to ignore your ridiculous generalisation of the artists you mentioned there altogether.

Breakbeat is a genre. Just because you disagree (surprise surprise) with it doesn't make it any less true.

Chose only one tune to call it the start of "the rot" is quite selfish and ignorant, music is changing all the time...

when some song reach the top of status of good or famous music and everybody is listening to it, others producers will take that like a pattern and start producing using that influences...

some examples:
robert miles - children
rank 1 - airwave
lots of BT, Oliver Lieb or PVD old tracks
today all is kinda andy moor (mainly whiteroom, with that toy or minimal melodic sounds) rips... that s why all ASOTS tracks sounds the same, and yet I prefer the original andy moor ones, i think he s a very good engeneer, if u notice the structure of his tracks, effects, panning, eq, etc... maybe the track is not good, but the way producing techniques I have to respect...

one of the best producers atm is Sander Van Doorn, and in the future, maybe some months later, you'll notice producers producing music very similar to his way...

the digital blonde album was released, so soon u ll notice the influences on new tracks... remember it...

I think midway is other producer that old tracks are very used like patterns, its common notice tracks that use the same melodies like midway - inca, amazon, or travelling, except changing some notes...

and what about mirco de govia - epic monolith? heh... for me anjuna beats trance is the best example of mirco de govia followers...


when the point is vocal trance u can notice that lasgo or ian van dahl, are examples of copies of the vocal trance made in 99/2000, stuff used to play in radios... but with low production quality... and poohh lyrics...

Maybe lots of you will disagree or call me a silly, but I dont care, taht s the way I think, sorry...

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery Yes, we already had this discussion and I thought I made myself pretty clear back then already. Breaks is the "main" genre for these - no track is just breaks alone, it usually gets some other word attached to it. This particular track is on the trancey side of breakbeat.

What you said last time was that Breaks is a seperate genre with defining characteristics beyond having a breakbeat. Now you've changed your mind.

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Breakbeat is a genre. Just because you disagree (surprise surprise) with it doesn't make it any less true.

A breakbeat is a breakbeat. If there is genre called Breaks, then the Tekara mix of Enjoy the Silence ain't part of it, and neither are most tracks that have breakbeats. It's just stupid, short-sighted crap to lump every breakbeat track under some super-genre because of one feature. You don't do it with four on the floor, and you don't do it with most common elements (there isn't a Vocals genre).

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J What you said last time was that Breaks is a seperate genre with defining characteristics beyond having a breakbeat. Now you've changed your mind.

Yes, the defining characteristics being the beat structure and heavy basslines... but nobody wants to hear a track with just those. It's just like in any other genre. Take house for example - it too has its defining characteristics, yet you hardly ever see a track described as "just" house. There's always some other word to describe it.

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A breakbeat is a breakbeat. If there is genre called Breaks, then the Tekara mix of Enjoy the Silence ain't part of it, and neither are most tracks that have breakbeats. It's just stupid, short-sighted crap to lump every breakbeat track under some super-genre because of one feature. You don't do it with four on the floor, and you don't do it with most common elements (there isn't a Vocals genre).

No matter how many times you repeat that same bullshit it doesn't make you more right. You are the only person in this world who doesn't acknowledge breakbeat as a genre. If you start going that route then I guess you should delete drum'n'bass from the genre map as well.

I seriously hope you're arguing this for the argument's sake (like you usually are) since this is by far the dumbest argument I've been in in a long time.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery Yes, the defining characteristics being the beat structure and heavy basslines... but nobody wants to hear a track with just those. It's just like in any other genre. Take house for example - it too has its defining characteristics, yet you hardly ever see a track described as "just" house. There's always some other word to describe it.

Therefore what you said earlier is fucking incorrect. False. Wrong. Witness:

SYSTEM-J: "[Breaks] is not defined by just having a breakbeat."
Mr Mystery: "Yes it is."

However, you've just said that the genre of Breaks is not defined by just having a breakbeat. It's a type of music with its own characteristics. Having a breakbeat isn't the sole qualifier.

You said that the Tekara mix "isn't trance, it's breaks." Wrong. It's trance with a breakbeat. If you like, it's Breakbeat Trance, but Breaks has nothing to do with Trance. The mix is trance.

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No matter how many times you repeat that same bullshit it doesn't make you more right. You are the only person in this world who doesn't acknowledge breakbeat as a genre. If you start going that route then I guess you should delete drum'n'bass from the genre map as well.

That's not what we're arguing about. There is a Breaks genre, but that doesn't stop lazy tits like you abusing the term beyond all measure.

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I seriously hope you're arguing this for the argument's sake (like you usually are).

It's a discussion forum you dolt. It's what you do on forums.

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