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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced Cam....I don't know if I should thank you or kick your ass next time I see you.....I guess we will find out on Friday

I'm affraid and anxious.

That 40,000 number is bullshit. There are just too many reasons why it can't be that large.

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur That 40,000 number is bullshit. There are just too many reasons why it can't be that large.

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Actually, over nine years thats only like 12 pills a day. I know people who 12 pills a day would be nothing....I'm sure his number is off but I wouldn't be surprised if it was closer to 40,000 then 30,000

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Originally posted by Abercrombie Folks, I'm not scare-mongering... like I said... MODERATION is ok, and pple like in the article, and ppl who take two nights every weekend is what I feel sorry for. Yes, E has been around from the turn of the century too as a diet pill, I know that, I'm well-researched. The frequency and amount of users has increased over the years, though we're passed its peak. The e nowadays is not even the same e I tried several years ago, as it's so watered down and mixed with who knows what. So all I am saying, understand what you're putting into your body. No one can say that constantantly draining one's seratonins without giving your body a chance to recover them isn't healthy no matter what your arguement. Moderation.

I agree with you about moderation. But is it really watered down? Or are the people who think that have been using it for so long that they have developed a huge tolerance? I first tried it a year ago and it was massive...and it's been great every time, although once I had some serious palpitations for about half hour which I couldn't quite understand. I think most people who start bingeing all the time are in a phase that they grow out of pretty quick. Back during the holidays I did it quite a bit and figured it would be thing to do when I went out. That's changed....I think every month at the most is a good guideline but as I said before, it's been three months since I last dropped and I haven't had any desire to do it again since that night.

edit: then again, it could be because I did a pure mdma brownish capsule and it was just too intense and I didn't feel "right" for several days after.

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced ] Actually, over nine years thats only like 12 pills a day. I know people who 12 pills a day would be nothing....I'm sure his number is off but I wouldn't be surprised if it was closer to 40,000 then 30,000

Just looking at ti from a financial point of view, that much comes out to a few mil, not including the money he spent on cannabis. Add that up to money for basic tasks, and the fact that you're unable to hold down any kind of a job.

How can you even function on 12 pills a day? You're constantly high, so like even the most basic tasks you'll fuck up.

You gotta be drinking water all the time, yet you got no appetite. That's extreme water consumption in relation to your food consumption.

And the catch up factor is crazy - you miss one day, and the next one you'll have to take 24 pills in one day to "stay on track". Miss 2, ans it's 36...

etc etc.

It's just really really really unlikely, to the point of impossibility.

he did say he was taking 25 pills a day for 4 years so that is 8 years of pills at 12 pills a day right there.

The actual costs are probably not nearly the same as what most of us pay. You would have to assume he is buying in bulk and probably has a good relationship with his dealer. I would bet he was paying somewhere around $4-5.00 per pill which would only come to $200,000.00

Although the long term effects for MDMA are not clearly defined yet, and there may not be any. The short term is what fucks me up sometimes. A person going into a seizure right beside you or a person on a bad trip. That shit fucks with your brain. And Im sure that all of us have an incident or two that they wish they could forget.

And dont start with the whole its other drugs that are causing that shit. I can recall a few incidents that were definitely caused by E.

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Originally posted by Mag1k Although the long term effects for MDMA are not clearly defined yet, and there may not be any. The short term is what fucks me up sometimes. A person going into a seizure right beside you or a person on a bad trip. That shit fucks with your brain. And Im sure that all of us have an incident or two that they wish they could forget. And dont start with the whole its other drugs that are causing that shit. I can recall a few incidents that were definitely caused by E.

you have to remember most E pills are not pure MDMA....I've never had a bad experience with E....that being said....I make sure that I keep myself hydrated and I never mix alcohol with it.

Face it....its not legal for a reason......the short term effects I'm sure will have some sort of long term effects....even if only minor.

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced you have to remember most E pills are not pure MDMA....I've never had a bad experience with E....that being said....I make sure that I keep myself hydrated and I never mix alcohol with it.

i always thought there was a difference between pure mdma and e. From what i can gather, most pills with colours and logos on them are about 50% mdma, the rest is speed and other shit. But what about guys who drink so much while munching on pills? I don't do both at the same time, but I find it's quite good to get a nice beer buzz going before you drop, then cut the alcohol off and get on water. Never had a bad experience doing that at all.

logos, bevelled edges, scores, double stacked, tripple stacked... it now all means sh-t nowadays. 4 years ago, almost all of them were at LEAST 75%... Rememeber, they went for $15-20 back then for a reason, and now you can get them for $6 outside a club and very lucky to get 50%. They used to call come from Europe, and the quality went to crap since the bikers and triad moved in on this lucrative market. If you have to, get a testing kit to be sure and safe.

I always pay about 15 and they've always been good, as I said. So you're suggesting not to buy off Asians? I don't know....my coke loving friends get their chach through an asian guy here and it's always been more than decent. He sells E too but um...I like to acquire it through tested and reliable sources first.

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Originally posted by Abercrombie logos, bevelled edges, scores, double stacked, tripple stacked... it now all means sh-t nowadays. 4 years ago, almost all of them were at LEAST 75%... Rememeber, they went for $15-20 back then for a reason, and now you can get them for $6 outside a club and very lucky to get 50%. They used to call come from Europe, and the quality went to crap since the bikers and triad moved in on this lucrative market. If you have to, get a testing kit to be sure and safe.

I would be SHOCKED to have seen a pill 4 years ago (besides in rare circumstances) with 75% mdma unless it was a batch of pure.
There are a lot of very wrong assumptions made in this thread.
also with regards to it being too expensive for him to have done that many pills... I know that you can get pills for around $3 a shot when buying in bulk even in canada if you know the right people. Pills in general cost about 4 cents a peice to produce. most of the mark up comes from the risk in dealing. If this guy was close with a producer he could likely be just given them in exchange for distribution runs.

I've been around that long, and know very well what was available and what was in it, thanks. I never said buy from asians. I said who now manufactures and distributes it. I won't go any further on this topic in this forum, but feel free to spark up a chat with me at Decadence or whenever.

It's not that hard to imagine this buddy dropping that many over that period of time, but this article has too many ways to shoot it down. And as just meantioned it would not have cost him very much if he's buying in bulk. I remember 3-4 years ago easily picking them up for 5-6 bucks a pop. But I will also say that the quality of pills now is shit, they are all cut with pcp, crystal, etc, etc. And yeah with them having way less mdma in them now it's not hard to believe me dropping 7 or 8 times more now then what I would have a few years back. But with everything, it should all be done in moderation, I'm down to only dropping every few months, and I'm enjoying it more now then ever.

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced you have to remember most E pills are not pure MDMA....I've never had a bad experience with E....that being said....I make sure that I keep myself hydrated and I never mix alcohol with it.

you want to tell me youve never seen the sketchbags at the end of the night sitting scared to death at the sight of their own hand.

or a person doing the funky chicken.

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Originally posted by Mag1k you want to tell me youve never seen the sketchbags at the end of the night sitting scared to death at the sight of their own hand. or a person doing the funky chicken.

We have all seen that, but those people need to remember moderation. Too much of anything is not good for you. If everyone would remember that then you wouldn't see these freaks every night.

And whats wrong with the funky chicken?

funky chicken=seizure

at the last ultraspin i got scared shitless because someone had a seizure beside me, a real bad one.

Thats the shit that I hate to see. I mean damn, if you do not know what your doing or how much you can handle, take it easy on the shit, at least till you know what your body can handle properly.

The thing is you can moderate yourself as much as you want and take all the necessary precautions. But you cant answer for the guy dancing next to you.

The incident scared the shit out of me and really opened my eyes.

For sure, but one that you can say for sure though is that you'll watch yourself more carefully. Which is all that I'm saying. If everyone dropping watched how much they were taking do you think that this would make the news as it does now?

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Originally posted by Abercrombie I've been around that long, and know very well what was available and what was in it, thanks. I never said buy from asians. I said who now manufactures and distributes it. I won't go any further on this topic in this forum, but feel free to spark up a chat with me at Decadence or whenever.

75% or 75mg?
75mg is about what was reported as average around the end of 1999 (and likely in 2000 as well). You may have had pills weighting at 100mgs, that seems a little light to me given the average pills weights between 200mg and 350mg on the higher end (I acknowlede that there were reports of pills coming out of the Los Angeles area that weighed as low as 156mg spring 2005, so I do know they can be smaller that what I stated), if yours were different then I appologize and take this time to confirm what you said. I'm not trying to be a dick but rather trying to understand your angle. honestly.
150mg of mdma is what was reported as average in 1994.
To feel the effects most people require about 100- 125mg of MDMA. (roughly the content of a bit more than one pill these days)
I've been around the 'culture' for a long time too and have done my homework including a degree focusing heavily on neuro biopsycholoy and have also had friends who were doing things (besides consumption) that they should not have been back then. I understand if you don't want to say anything more on a public forum so we can continue this chat some other time.
To clear up a few other comments from other people:
For the other peoples comments on shape, size and colour... they mean shit (as someone else already pointed out). The market is often flooded with copy cat pills within 2 to 3 weeks of good ones gaining a reputation. It only takes a second or third year knowledge of organic chem and a bit of extra homework to gain the know how to make pills. It can be difficult to get a stamp press and the other required tools but not impossible and many different labs have sets of the same press and often change to different ones themselves to confuse police as to the origins of the pills by the time they hit the streets. There was even a rather large lab in the GTA shut down in May 2003 sizing 11.1 million dollars worth of drugs including 284,000 pills and 3 pill presses.
The rumours about pills being cut with herion or coke are completely unfounded, (not ness stated here but I've heard it up come up at wemf and other events lots, even bone headed dealers trying to sound like thier product is awesome). the only reason producers cut pills with non pure substances is to save on cost. both herion and coke are significantly more expensive per mg than mdma is. If you get visuals during your highs it points towards the main ingredient being MDA. MDMA has no visual side effects and has a very clean come down and the high generally lasts for less time in contrast.
There are also a hand full of other chemicals related to mdma that are frequently subsituted for it, such as DXM (often found in small quantities in cough syrup), MDE, MBDB and PMA. MDA and DXM can also increase your risk of increased body temp compared to MDMA.
'E' generally now refers to pills thought to contain at least trace elements of MDMA but not considered to be pure. ie they are cut with something else. if you are lucky when buying E it is MDMA and a clean cut of speed serving as your upper (or ephedrine or caffine better yet). the sketchyer (yeah I'm using it as a word) feeling comes from the non pure elements and often from being cut with substances such as crystal.
PMA is Highly toxic and has resulted in 9 deaths in the United States, and has been known to be sold in the Toronto afterhours scene a few years back. The testing kit I linked to below can help with it's detection. Why some of this shit ever found its way into the designer drug market I have no idea and I hope it stays out now.
non pure mdma pills are often cut with methamphetamine, caffeine, ephedrine and speed to produce the energy feeling. Pills have also been recorded with mixtures of ketamine and pcp found them in addition to above mentioned substances. Pure pills will generally make you want to sit in a corner and chill rather than force you to dance your ass off (think of the chill out room at a Hullabaloo cuddle puddle compared to the guy dancing front and center all night to speedcore as extreme examples). The taste is a good indicator short of a testing kit (which can purchased at http://dancesafe.org/documents/druginfo/testingkits.php ). It should be very bitter and smell like sassafras due to the use of it in the synthesis process.

/\/\/\ very nice. I'm glad there are some people around here that really know whats going on.

Edit: too much misinformation is never a good thing.

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Originally posted by Hantu For sure, but one that you can say for sure though is that you'll watch yourself more carefully. Which is all that I'm saying. If everyone dropping watched how much they were taking do you think that this would make the news as it does now?

agree with you there on the news part and the rest

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Originally posted by nusty If you get visuals during your highs it points towards the main ingredient being MDA. MDMA has no visual side effects and has a very clean come down and the high generally lasts for less time in contrast. 'E' generally now refers to pills thought to contain at least trace elements of MDMA but not considered to be pure. ie they are cut with something else. if you are lucky when buying E it is MDMA and a clean cut of speed serving as your upper (or ephedrine or caffine better yet). the sketchyer (yeah I'm using it as a word) feeling comes from the non pure elements and often from being cut with substances such as crystal.

The pills I have been using have been exactly like you describe above. A high of 2-3 hours, no seeing stuff, etc...and a gradual come down. But the "pure mdma capsule" I took on NYE was, although similar, just far too intense. I DID see some weird stuff...wavy lines and everything looked like it was on an angle or something. I woke up still very buzzed and the lathargy lasted for over a week. I was told that I just took too much mdma but who knows. I'm not down with seeing stuff...I just like the body and emotional buzz of good e's. I"m a little worried though because my regular source is out of commission right now...and only a week to go.

this crystal shit scares me. I dont' want any part of that. How would I know it's crystal as opposed to mdma?

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