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Originally posted by skip i actually thought about participating this current one, but it kinda puts you off when you see the results so far so soon and sand leaper is leading so much that no one will ever catch him.

To avoid these kind of situations, only the ranking is shown on the Belgian forum, no points. That way you don't know how many points seperate you and the guy in front, and you'll automatically put more effort into the updating etc.. You'll also be more likely and willing to participate in the first place, just to see where you'd end up in the ranking.

+1 for shorter contest durations.

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Originally posted by TOR To avoid these kind of situations, only the ranking is shown on the Belgian forum, no points. That way you don't know how many points seperate you and the guy in front, and you'll automatically put more effort into the updating etc.. You'll also be more likely and willing to participate in the first place, just to see where you'd end up in the ranking.

See now that's a good idea. But unfortunately it's too late for me to do anything about it now.

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Originally posted by Psy-T +1 for shorter contest durations.

Consider the contest shortened.

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Originally posted by Psy-T +1 for shorter contest durations.

Yes maybe a week at max would be cool with the amount of 50-60 IDs and if it needs to be several weeks then there should be a whole lot more IDs to make up for the longer period of time. And then one status update in the halfway but like suggested, with no scores so the contestants after the 1st won't get THAT disappointed when they see how much more points he/she has than the rest by that time and can keep up the interest for competing.

I still don't quite see myself entering the contest tho.. but maybe if it really would be only a week / contest.. maybe then i would try to put up some ID guesses.

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Originally posted by TOR To avoid these kind of situations, only the ranking is shown on the Belgian forum, no points. That way you don't know how many points seperate you and the guy in front, and you'll automatically put more effort into the updating etc.. You'll also be more likely and willing to participate in the first place, just to see where you'd end up in the ranking.

yeah. i thought about that myself too and i think it's a brilliant idea. still i think the first results shouldn't be posted too early.

and [MaRt], IMO this thread is in no way against you or your contest. i actually thought Floorfiller made this thread because you wondered why so few people entered your contest. i have nothing against the way you're doing it at least, but i still feel there's stuff that could be improved on in every future contest. it's been going pretty much the same way (with minor changes) for as long as i can remember now.

oh and about the lenght, i think 1 month is good. 2 weeks is way too fast IMO. you might miss the contest pretty easily even if it's only 2 weeks IMO. but it seems that that's just me as i'm slow at doing everything and always busy with too much stuff to do!

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Originally posted by Nayil because i dont get 0 day releases

umm most of the tracks are over a year old, the contest isnt about knowing the 1337est tracks out

OR another idea to spice things up.

Day 1. Post 30 samples. Put up scoreboards etc.

Day 10. Post 30 NEW samples.

In the end, score the full 60 samples.

Putting new samples up halfway through would spice it up a bit more

I did have the idea of putting some more trance samples up halfway through the contest, but I think 60 is so many already that it wouldn't be appreciated.

the basic idea is fine as it is, making it shorter is a good step but aside from that, it's always hit & miss at the line. Do you make it too easy, too hard, try to go in the middle etc? the problem is everyones tastes are so diverse nowadays & at times that can alienate some, but at others I think we need to force-sand leaper to retire & we'll have good contests where anyone can win

i think contests are a good thing but i just don't participate because when i listen to the tunes i hardly recognize one ....i can count the ones i know with like one hand ....it's really humiliating because then i realize i have no music culture ....i've been listenning to trance for a couple of years now and im still feeling like a newbie though .....so yeah contests are cool but definately not for me

ok
I know some trance, but my strong suits are in other genres.I'm going to the unknown track forum later and if i can id a suitable amount for my tastes i will download the samples and join.
Then when i win, you guys will be getting all my obscure techno,minimal,electro and house that i have lying around waiting for some of you professional trainspotters to go nuts and slit your wrist too.

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Originally posted by all-nite-freak Then when i win, you guys will be getting all my obscure techno,minimal,electro and house that i have lying around waiting for some of you professional trainspotters to go nuts and slit your wrist too.

seriously, it isn't a skill in making the most obscure contest ever. i can throw in 100id's in a contest filled with electro,house,techno,noice,trance, you name it and noone would recognize it.

i dunno if you was taking the piss but that sort of thinking is just ludicrous because blatantly you're not the one id'ing the tracks and i dunno many who have your distinct taste in music. people are supposed to actually id the tracks.

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Originally posted by montana seriously, it isn't a skill in making the most obscure contest ever. i can throw in 100id's in a contest filled with electro,house,techno,noice,trance, you name it and noone would recognize it. i dunno if you was taking the piss but that sort of thinking is just ludicrous because blatantly you're not the one id'ing the tracks and i dunno many who have your distinct taste in music. people are supposed to actually id the tracks.

uhh if you think this post was serious...
dude loosen up man...get out of the house more often.

First of all, I must apologise to [MaRt], and some other deeply respected TAs, for at least 3 reasons.
1. My timing was dumb. My post was impulsive and feeded by frustration (I explained why).
2. That part about some contests being BS, I deeply regret that; and I definitely take it back - to the extent possible.
3. When I said that there wasn't anything I liked, that was premature and, this too, stupid as I know that I would be devastated reading that myself, it really didn't occur to me at the time.
I'm sorry.

I'll try and make it up to you the only way I see fit, by entering the contest(s) and putting some effort in. Please understand that my comments concerned a number of recent contests, absolutely not specifically yours.


On the other hand, in retrospect, I don't regret posting my structural remarks, I still stand by them. Also, this thread right here just might've been exactly what the id contests needed. And rarely have I seen such a constructive and no-nonsense thread. Thank you, Floorfiller (amongst others) for the efforts made.

I have read both threads with the utmost attention, unfortunately there's so much here I can't reply to everything I'd like to comment on. At least not now. I hope I'll find the time to formulate a decent reply. I consider it a priority.

Greetings.

Don't worry about it. I'd say more but I'm tired to the point of potentially slipping into an eternal coma, so it's sleepytime for me.

about the trackselection: I've compared the ID contest at the Music Discussion section with the ID contest in the local Belgium TA forum, since their contest seem to be more succesful -> last MD contest: 15 participants, last BeTa contest: 11 participants, considering the fact that MD forum has far more visitors. The BeTa contests seems to be more trance orientated, based on the last couple of contests (example)
I don't know all of the tracks, but seems to me that at least 90% is trance. So does this mean we should do the same with the MD id contest? Not necessary I think, i visit the BeTa forum once in a while, and it seems like the majority of the BeTa's are hooked up on trance. The people on MD forum in contradistinction, have more diverse tastes. So I don't think it's a good idea to have a pure trance id contest, but i'd like to see a bit more trance in it though.

about the duration of the contest: I do think 3 weeks is a bit too long, I usually spend (not whole) 1 or 2 days on it.

and about the "i don't participate because i can't win".. come on peeps! Its just for fun! I'm probably not gonna win anytime soon, but I think its fun! And winning is one thing, but beating someone about the same league is fun too! In the last contest me & the_chris were pretty close, and he had more points at the end, but I kicked his butt in one of the past contests!

I don't know about the idea of not posting the ranking / scores. Most participants have a steady place in the league, like Floorfiller is always in the top 5, at least the last 5 contests or so. So I don't think it will make any different.

Sometimes I compete, sometimes I don't... And I do it for fun.
It doesn't take away a lot of my time since I'm not very good at it, so time isn't really a problem to me.

I easily get discouraged. I have downloaded the files before. I listen to all the samples and then realize I don't have a chance against the rest of you. So I'm just a sample listener.

after the one where oliver lieb entered, i saw the tracks on there and though, hey, i might have a shot

i tried the current one and knew THREE tracks...yikes

but hey, I TRIED IT!

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Originally posted by all-nite-freak uhh if you think this post was serious... dude loosen up man...get out of the house more often.

i said, i dunno if you taking the piss of not (meaning, i don't know if you were joking or not)

i like the diversity in the contests, you never know you might find something new you like. some of the ideas here are pretty good, maybe one or more could be implemented every now and again, like have a team battle one contest where teams are randomly chosen, or have a sort of 'sprint race' with less samples but less time. maybe having a limit on the number of times you can submit? in a shorter time period?

the file size can't be an issue seriously, the zip files are like 7mb tops lately. the people who complain "i won't enter because i can't win", well thats just too bad for you. i won't win a contest. chris won't win a contest but who cares? its fun having little battles among the score board, edging each other on, trying to work out where you heard that tune before. i think these contests are a great idea, a bit of fun and games instead of the usual whingeing and flaming that goes on. just relax and have a go, or else just fucking shut up and piss off!

The concept of ID contests between local fora was raised some time ago:
http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...ghlight=nations
It would be so much fun, and just maybe, in the long run, yield more participants in the regular contests.

cha-bumpity-boo-da

right now, a bit busy.

I like the idea of maybe drawing out teams. Seed the participants in groups from 1) winners 2) close runners up down to 20) the_chris

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