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Posted by starsearcher on Jun-03-2006 20:08:
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Originally posted by fastmp3
seems silly and ridiculous to many people, but to others it's not. and if Bombardier wants to grant that right to their muslim employee, why would it bother you ? |
It doesn't bother me specifically...I'm just trying to explain why it bothers others...other who don't really see the point for it and see it as an additional cost and inconveniece to them...I think the question is how far can you push it out of principal...but I do feel that it is a bit crazy. If you ask me personally I'd rather have them all in their little room rather than in the middle of the floor as I saw it once at one place i worked at or right in the middle of Finch subway station...it's rediculous to a point.
Posted by AC-Milan on Jun-03-2006 20:09:
who started this thread? was it d1abolic? 
Posted by zoogla on Jun-03-2006 20:10:
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Originally posted by starsearcher
If you ask me personally I'd rather have them all in their little room rather than in the middle of the floor as I saw it once at one place i worked at or right in the middle of Finch subway station...it's rediculous to a point. |
Your personal opinion makes them sound like animals that can be herded 
Posted by malek on Jun-03-2006 20:15:
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Originally posted by starsearcher
or right in the middle of Finch subway station...it's rediculous to a point. |
you are kidding me right?
this is bullshit.
Posted by Jem_hadar on Jun-03-2006 20:20:
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Originally posted by Jayx1
The problem here isnt islam. Its religion in general.
The biggest cause of death and destruction in the world is religion. |
Atheism for the win.
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Originally posted by AC-Milan
who started this thread? was it d1abolic? |
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Originally posted by malek
sigh wearing a turban and wanting to join an institution called the RCMP which has a traditonal costume?
african dude coming here with his 3 wifes because thats the way it is there? well, guess what, we have our own ways here too, and that involves one woman per man.
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EXACTLY. You're in our fucking country, you have to learn and ACCEPT doing shit OUR standard way, same as if we were to emigrate to YOUR country!
That RCMP one in particular! Fuck, deal with, for this profession you have a very specific, set and long-standing uniform code. CONFORM TO IT, or accept the fucking fact you cant be apart of it!
Others besides us Canadians need to learn to bend as well! Jesus!
Posted by starsearcher on Jun-03-2006 20:21:
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Originally posted by fayraree
Your personal opinion makes them sound like animals that can be herded |
Oh boy...not at all...I just don't really want to see it and trip over some guy in the middle of the office building (as I actually almost did).
Put yourself in this "scenario"...you're a typical canadian guy born and raised, you get a good job working in a great company and all of the sudden some guy comes from county x and he tells you or your boss - I need a room to do my prayers. So the boss has to go to you and tell you that you have to move - quite possibly to a crappier area cause we have to accomodate this parying room now. I don't think you'd be all that excited about it in all honesty, specifically if it seems silly to you. And it may not seem silly to you but I will guarantee that to A LOT of people it does seem silly.
The thing is, it's a very very sensitive issue in Canada and nobody wants to touch it or deal with it for an obvious reason.
But I certainly agree with Malek - the guys with the daggers, certainly some hassidic jews, and lots of others that come here and for some reason think that we must now change the world for them. And god forbid you will refuse something you'll get sued or accused of discrimination and it'll be a severe damage to your reputation (business)
Posted by starsearcher on Jun-03-2006 20:23:
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Originally posted by malek
you are kidding me right?
this is bullshit. |
No not at all...the guy pulled out a mat right in the middle of the station, kneeled and started praying.
Hey I'm not against praying but why should I have to walk around you in the middle of rush hour or have to see that...that's why I say the room is better but I still agree with Malek's points.
Posted by malek on Jun-03-2006 20:26:
where's the security? why didn't they kick him out of the subway, with a kick in the ass as a bonus so he doesn't do it again.
wait, let me see, unionized security guards not willing to intervene because its not in their collective agreement.
bunch of pussies.
Posted by Adamo on Jun-03-2006 20:33:
what a suprise...I bet 100 more live in my building...
Posted by zoogla on Jun-03-2006 20:36:
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Originally posted by starsearcher
Put yourself in this "scenario"...you're a typical canadian guy born and raised, you get a good job working in a great company and all of the sudden some guy comes from county x and he tells you or your boss - I need a room to do my prayers. So the boss has to go to you and tell you that you have to move - quite possibly to a crappier area cause we have to accomodate this parying room now. I don't think you'd be all that excited about it in all honesty, specifically if it seems silly to you. And it may not seem silly to you but I will guarantee that to A LOT of people it does seem silly. |
I think you are mistaking the word "silly" for the word, "unfair". Yes, in a way, moving someone to a crappier section of the office floor to give a group of people a prayer section could be perceived as unfair to some people. However, I would ask those people what is more in keeping with the values of our society? Having a crappy office or respecting our multicultural values? Personally, I think that getting upset over your office location is the most materialistic and meaningless value you could have as an employee. But it depends on what the priorities of the company are; most likely they are utilitarian and maximize the good for the greater number, therefore prayers win.
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Originally posted by starsearcher
lots of others that come here and for some reason think that we must now change the world for them. |
Gross exaggeration. No one's asking to change the world (and if they do, e.g. Sharia Law, I disagree) but maintaining a multicultural environment WITHOUT lawsuits or changing the law is totally okay.
Posted by zoogla on Jun-03-2006 20:40:
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Originally posted by starsearcher
No not at all...the guy pulled out a mat right in the middle of the station, kneeled and started praying. |
I wasn't there but I can promise you it wasn't in the middle of the station. It had to have been near a wall, out of the way of people. If this guy is so dedicated to the prayer timing (which is a very good value to have: punctuality) then I'm sure he also has the humility to respect other people's way of passage. I disagree with you completely unless you have pictures with a map of the station to prove your point, and I would encourage others to discount your story unless you can prove it. It's totally inconsistent with the values of Islam.
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Originally posted by starsearcher
Hey I'm not against praying but why should I have to walk around you in the middle of rush hour or have to see that... |
Dude, that's just pathetic.
...not to mention inconsistent. What do you value more, people praying or your walking without obstacles? That's pretty damn selfish. And if you think that people who want prayer rooms are selfish then why do we have a Charter that protects them?
Posted by malek on Jun-03-2006 20:43:
he wanted to make a point:
"look you infidel dogs, i'm praying to god"
Posted by zoogla on Jun-03-2006 20:44:
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Originally posted by malek
he wanted to make a point:
"look you infidel dogs, i'm praying to god"
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Of course, there's no way his intentions could be pure
Posted by Goashem on Jun-03-2006 21:01:
why do atheist always blame religion? like atheist are saints (haha), theres plenty of godless murderers.
Posted by AC-Milan on Jun-03-2006 21:08:
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Originally posted by Goashem
why do atheist always blame religion? like atheist are saints (haha), theres plenty of godless murderers. |
well said
Posted by simms327 on Jun-03-2006 21:12:
i dont buy this.
its a perfect excuse for harper to push a more conservative agenda
fear, ladies and gentlemen. it grows exponentially, and with it a gov't can do whatever it want - i.e. bush regime in US. guantanamo, no warrant wire tapping, arrest without charge.. etc.
Posted by neuromancer on Jun-03-2006 21:14:
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Originally posted by simms327
i dont buy this.
its a perfect excuse for harper to push a more conservative agenda
fear, ladies and gentlemen. it grows exponentially, and with it a gov't can do whatever it want - i.e. bush regime in US. guantanamo, no warrant wire tapping, arrest without charge.. etc. |
yeah it smells funny, was wondering the same, harper playing bush's game. lets see how the story develops.
Posted by Goashem on Jun-03-2006 21:15:
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Originally posted by simms327
i dont buy this.
its a perfect excuse for harper to push a more conservative agenda
fear, ladies and gentlemen. it grows exponentially, and with it a gov't can do whatever it want - i.e. bush regime in US. guantanamo, no warrant wire tapping, arrest without charge.. etc. |
are you saying hes gonna blame the gays for this? privatize healthcare cuz the muslims are after it?
canada is not the united states, harper is not bush, quit it.
Posted by 7-4-7 on Jun-03-2006 21:16:
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Originally posted by simms327
i dont buy this.
its a perfect excuse for harper to push a more conservative agenda
fear, ladies and gentlemen. it grows exponentially, and with it a gov't can do whatever it want - i.e. bush regime in US. guantanamo, no warrant wire tapping, arrest without charge.. etc. |
^^^^^^^^ I dont buy shit like this either. The definition of a terrorist has become a catch all for all criminals motivated by hating a country.
I will personally let this one stew in the media.
Let's see how harper will all of a sudden open himself up to the media on this one....curious why would a "terrorist cell" decide to attack now?...maybe we'll let the conservative lackys stumble on that question for a while.
nb. (on that point) at least 7 of the 11, 9/11 terrorists are still alive.
Posted by Adamo on Jun-03-2006 21:32:
relatives trying to get into the courthouse...
Posted by Goashem on Jun-03-2006 21:32:
you know i must say job well done to the police, i always wondered how the hell they manage to find this information and foil these plots. great job!
Posted by malek on Jun-03-2006 21:33:
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Originally posted by Adamo
relatives trying to get into the courthouse...
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really really surprising
Posted by zoogla on Jun-03-2006 21:39:
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Originally posted by Adamo
relatives trying to get into the courthouse...
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link please.
Posted by malek on Jun-03-2006 21:41:
http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Co...ol=968793972154
the link because you don't believe it ? 
Posted by zoogla on Jun-03-2006 21:43:
no, fuck face, because I want to read the story!
EDIT:
LMFAO at the caption under this pic in the story:
Caption: "Items are shown on display during a press conference in Toronto, Saturday, June 3, 2006. The bag of fertilizer, right, was not seized during the raid and was there for display purposes only."
If that's not a manipulation of public opinion or adding to fear and paranoia I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS!!!!
P.S. Thanks for the link, Malek!
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