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Illegal drugs? No. It was around from the time I was born (seriously; that's no lie) but never found the point. A natural high was always more powerful for me... (See? I give a point as to why I don't; but don't chastise me for my decision)
Alcohol? Once in a blue moon. I'd be a hypocrite otherwise...
Trance? Yes please!

Seems there's a few people on the 'other' side that seem quite upset or feel the need to defend there drug habits. I don't remember anything in the original post asking that? I've seen twice as many posting regarding illigals...why not have a clean one without the retoric or is that guilt? <-- That's not meant as a slam, just my thoughts...

Hey...whatever turns your crank? I've got friends that do pills etc etc. I just plan to be there if they need me, that's all.

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And you are right....i am NOT talking about casual drug users who smoke pot once and awhile or a kid at a rave who takes E every blue moon...i am talking about the users who are a danger to our society the ones who commit crimes..HENCE the MAJORITY....

Sorry, but that's a pretty misinformed view. It makes you sound like one of those "winners don't do drugs" US parliamentary type guys (erm, or whatever). I suggest you read back through my post, read between the lines, and then take heed of what ABT says:

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People, remember there are 2 fine lines we are teeter-tottering on here.... 1) the difference between using drugs and abusing them.... (big difference) 2) the difference between casual drug users and habitual drug users..... (again, big difference)

To assert that the majority of drug users are "criminals and degenerates" or "a danger to our society" goes flagrantly against any statistical measurement you care to mention. Perhaps there is a correlation between the use of addictive substances and crime (i.e. heroin addicts have more of a need to commit crimes in order to feed their habit, I'll grant you that) but to throw all drug users into the same basket is wrong, and demonstrates a fairly comprehensive misunderstanding about what we're talking about.

For instance, 40% of the American (or was it the Australian?) population have tried pot in their lives, which constitutes the use of an illegal drug, agreed? Now, unless more than 50% of these people (20% of the total population) are in jail (or should be in jail at least), how can you say that the majority are degenerate criminals? Now obviously the use of illegal drugs constitutes a crime in itself, so technically, by default, you could call all of them criminals, but by that logic we could label anyone who's ever jay-walked, parked illegally or littered a "degenerate criminal" as well.

I think you could survey the entire population of a country, and firstly the vast majority of drug users would be listed under the category of "casual" (as opposed to habitual), and secondly I think you'd find that the crime rates amongst this demographic would not be any higher than in the rest of the population.

If you have any statistics that refute this prediction, then feel free to point them out to me.

all the statistics are in the other drug thread about the commercial if u wanna read...but WHY IS THAT PEOPLE DONT UNDERSTAND WHAT I AM SAYING...i said i am NOT talking about people who smoke pot occasionally...JESUS !!!.....i am talking about hard drug users.....

and yes if u read the statistics in the other thread u will see that in a very high number of arrests and crimes the offender was undeer the influence of MARIJUANA....so yes it DOES lead to criminal activity...not for everyone but a LARGE portion...

I still dont see how you people think drugs are good for this world...they have done way more harm then good for our society...do you not see this...are you people that fucking blind....i dont get it....

AND STILL NOT ONE PERSON HAS STATED WHAT DRUGS DO FOR A SOCIETY THAT MAKES THEM GOOD ....maybe you all need your own children to get addicted ...i dunno but hopefully one day you will open your eyes to the reality that drugs are B-A-D....its not a rumour......

I don't think drugs are good.

But i also think that people can do what they want. And this is the internet. Some TA's can do 10 E's in a night and it won't affect my life at all. So why would i stress about it?

Just loosen up, Tiesto14, and don't take it so seriously. You're not fighting a crusade here, so don't make it one. It won't affect your life any no matter what these guys do.

-ABT-

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Originally posted by ABTsportsline I don't think drugs are good. But i also think that people can do what they want. And this is the internet. Some TA's can do 10 E's in a night and it won't affect my life at all. So why would i stress about it? Just loosen up, Tiesto14, and don't take it so seriously. You're not fighting a crusade here, so don't make it one. It won't affect your life any no matter what these guys do. -ABT-

ya i agree....hey how did you change ya avator...i cant change mine

Amen Rob!!


I just wanted to put some stress on the fact thateven among hard drug users, their are still very different use-patterns and habits.
I feel you are confusing us harmless E-users to heroin-junks on the streets...

And, as I've said before....keep it to your own country ok? You're saying that the majority of harddrugs users are criminals etc etc....YEA in the US perhaps!!!!!!!!!
But I don't think it's hard to be considered a criminal over there, since about everything, except shooting guns and reading the bible, is illegal over there!!!!!

Anyway, I'm not typing these posts in my own defence but in the defence of the entire Dutch, or even European, drug-scene, cuz some of the stuff posted here is total BS when it comes to the scene over here!!

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Originally posted by Miss Proximus Amen Rob!! I just wanted to put some stress on the fact thateven among hard drug users, their are still very different use-patterns and habits. I feel you are confusing us harmless E-users to heroin-junks on the streets... And, as I've said before....keep it to your own country ok? You're saying that the majority of harddrugs users are criminals etc etc....YEA in the US perhaps!!!!!!!!! But I don't think it's hard to be considered a criminal over there, since about everything, except shooting guns and reading the bible, is illegal over there!!!!! Anyway, I'm not typing these posts in my own defence but in the defence of the entire Dutch, or even European, drug-scene, cuz some of the stuff posted here is total BS when it comes to the scene over here!!

i'm confused. are you agreeing with me or disagreeing? You say "amen" but your next 2 paragraphs are lecturing me.... or were they directed to someone else?

sh!t its past my bedtime.

-ABT-

Sorry to confuse you

I agreed with you, and the rest of the message was more or less directed towards tiesto14

Remember Kids!

if you are going to roll, remember to test your stuff!

Do not be ignorant and trusting. Dance safe!

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Ive said this a Begillion times. Trance is the ultimate trip. Whats the need for drugs??????????

So yea basically i party drugs free

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Originally posted by Miss Proximus I love you too Ste Thank you for calling me an idiot for mixing drugs...thanks for making Ant out to be an even bigger idiot cuz he mixes dope wiv beer And the people that die from it....here in Holland they mainly have allergic reactions to a certain matter in the drugs And we have a lot of GHB deaths, cuz it's so easy to OD on it

dope with beer? you thought i was refferin to that?!

like mixing sugar with coffee.

its peopl who mix ghb with pills, or ket who usually end up fucked up.
like whne i had them blue pills last week, urgh, i was a fuckin idiot but lucky i escaped puking. never again.

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Originally posted by tiesto14 that is not entirely true....i have seen a friend of mine die from taking E just 1 time...and he was not an idiot, he did not mix drugs, he jus got bad E....wasnt his fault....

if it was his first time why didnt he half it to see if it was good or not?

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Originally posted by DuMonde TrAnCeR if it was his first time why didnt he half it to see if it was good or not?

ehh Trancer...i already tried to talk some sense into him! late/

Sorry to re-hash the thread again, just thought I'd leave my opinion.

I never tried any illegal drugs until last March (marijuana doesn't count IMO) and have since tried a myriad of substances, including E 10 times (8 in 3 months). It sort of got out of hand to the point where last weekend after bar time I got bored and rolled by myself at 3:30 in the morning. The next day I woke up wondering what the hell I am doing to myself and have taken a stance to not do it anymore. Granted, I know 10 times may be bashed as being relatively low, I guess I'm just saying know when to say when for you. Every time I DJ I get a huge high off the crowd, greater than I ever felt off a drug. So, I'm not condoning or denouncing anything, just saying be careful is all.

Sorry if that sounded preachy at all, isn't supposed to.

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Originally posted by DuMonde TrAnCeR if it was his first time why didnt he half it to see if it was good or not?

well this was back almost 10 year ago...and times where different then...Exctasy was jus becoming more and more popular and there where no places to check the pills and not many people knew how to check themselves....back then everyone was popping E like it was sweettarts....it wasnt like it is today....

Biz RELAX !!

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Originally posted by tiesto14 back then everyone was popping E like it was sweettarts....it wasnt like it is today....

Hehe actually, that is still going on People pop mad pills at parties.

The thing with Drugs is, that When u take an E, or wateva, u r takin it at ur own risk, that is u accept that 2moro u could be dead from it - not a nice thing to say and i dont mean to shout at any1 in here r anything im jus sayin wat u all know is true

And u say oh im only a dope smoker im ok I will neva get as low as the next guy down the road Whos into Es, r im jus a casual drug user, well how do u tink the guy who is on E's started off wit drugs??? Most likely by smokin a joint and prob at the time tinkin the same thing as u r and b4 they EVEN knew bout it they we addicted? And if u say u dont take the drugs to help u enjoy the party then will some1 plz point out the adv of takin them? why do u risk ur life?

and dealers realy havent a care in the world for the "customers", they r there to make money, and 4 u who say oh well i know them they r my friends, well no offence but i dont wanna a friend who is given me something that could kill me.

Hey i know I prob offend a lot of ppl in here and i dont mean to, but I am jus sick of the drug arguement, which u usualy get everyday at skool, (of course the ppl supportin drugs r the ppl who go out every weekend and do them). Jus wish I had the money that these ppl have, who can afford to go out and buy these drugs

But at the end of it all as some ppl hav already said, tis is the internet, most of u live thousands of miles away so why should I b stressed over some1 who needs drugs?

i think of marijuana as a 'problem' or 'gateway drug' in society simply because of the way the govt labels it. when peeps TRY the hoon, and then realize its not the epidemic of a problem the rest of the world labels it, then thhey may be tempted to move deeper into drugs. this is one of my main concerns with the drug war in the US. late/

What does everybody consider to be too much/too often then?

I don't do drugs and will never try them. At parties I drink usually coke or water alcohol just makes me sick if I dance a lot. Btw, you can get laid much easier when you're sober

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Originally posted by tiesto14 Biz RELAX !!

hey im not the one telling other people to calm down...i was simply saying that i had already mentioned something of the sort. obviously this is a sensitive subject for you because i honestly dont consider ANY of this that big of a deal that i need to tell others to relax. we can all get worked up and say whatever we want, thats what makes these forums cool. obviously it should be something logical and well thot out. the fact of the matter is - youre friend did something unsafe, and REGARDLESS of whether others were popping them like candy, it doenst mean that it wasnt his fault that he had problems...late/

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Originally posted by biznology ehh Trancer...i already tried to talk some sense into him! late/

soz i cudnt be arsed to read past page 3! (i think it was)

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Originally posted by biznology i think of marijuana as a 'problem' or 'gateway drug' in society simply because of the way the govt labels it. when peeps TRY the hoon, and then realize its not the epidemic of a problem the rest of the world labels it, then thhey may be tempted to move deeper into drugs. this is one of my main concerns with the drug war in the US. late/

i agree with you there, but peopel seem to forget that drugs come in two different types. chemically addictive and psychologically addictive. chemically addict drugs liek smack, ganja, nicctine and coke usually habour nasty side effects if you start taking them, and are the main ones littered along the "gateway drug" system your talking about, often involving peopel fucking themselves up (even nicotine, you want a lung removing?) in a bad way. whereas with E or speed for example. your only addicted if you like it that much, maybe a bad way to word it. but if i wanted to stop taking E, i could do it easily, but its greta, so why not. if it started to fuck me up like i heard it can do after about 2 years usage (well in most cases abuse) then i would stop and woudlnt get cold turkey or mood swings. thats why you can only be psycologically addicted to them drugs, its all in the mind, which is also what a lot of hoo-har about the dangers of these drugs is too. but life goes on, and if people call me a pill headi can stand safe in the knowledge theyre an uneducated fuckwit.

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Originally posted by DuMonde TrAnCeR i agree with you there, but peopel seem to forget that drugs come in two different types. chemically addictive and psychologically addictive. chemically addict drugs liek smack, ganja, nicctine and coke usually habour nasty side effects if you start taking them, and are the main ones littered along the "gateway drug" system your talking about, often involving peopel fucking themselves up (even nicotine, you want a lung removing?) in a bad way. whereas with E or speed for example. your only addicted if you like it that much, maybe a bad way to word it. but if i wanted to stop taking E, i could do it easily, but its greta, so why not. if it started to fuck me up like i heard it can do after about 2 years usage (well in most cases abuse) then i would stop and woudlnt get cold turkey or mood swings. thats why you can only be psycologically addicted to them drugs, its all in the mind, which is also what a lot of hoo-har about the dangers of these drugs is too. but life goes on, and if people call me a pill headi can stand safe in the knowledge theyre an uneducated fuckwit.

For people who believe MJ is a gateway drug, read this:

http://www.csdp.org/ads/mjtruth.htm

Soom good little marijuana myths debunked....

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Originally posted by Thor For people who believe MJ is a gateway drug, read this: http://www.csdp.org/ads/mjtruth.htm Soom good little marijuana myths debunked....

OHH believe me, i dont cosider it a gateway at all. if anything its a gateway simply because people try it and think: oh this aint so bad, lets keep going. you can get in the same trouble with dope as many other harder drugs in the US. often its not enforced the same, but i hope you catch my drift. certainly if the myths were debunked and the stimatization removed, it wouldnt be a gateway drug at all. i feel it could keep people from the harder shit, even booze or cigarettes - to a point tho! late/

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