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exstacy should be flushed out of the system pretty quickly. but the damage it does remains forever

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Originally posted by Lephaid About 3-4 days. The active metabolite MDA, which MDMA is demethylated to in small amounts by your body, lasts a fair bit longer, I think about 8 days. Methamphetamine/amphetamine (often in pills) is mostly out of you by 3-6 days.

saaaweeeet! thank you

The definition of reality is something completely intangible, so attempting to escape from it is equally nebulous.

Are drugs consequential? Of course. But what action can you perform that does not have consequences of some sort?

this thread makes me want to do pills

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Originally posted by KilldaDJ this thread makes me want to do pills

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Jamie quit acting like such a mom.

I don't know about this my doctor told me to take

5HTP to increase my serotonin and take vitamin C.

If you take 5HTP the day after you take X you should be fine

Oh and agree with the previous posters who have never had shit comedowns or the 2-3 day post-dose depression. It's almost the opposite.

Now the nights mixing pills / coke / booze ... that's another story altogether.

I've done plenty of e in my life and there are ways to contain any damage to your brain. Take at least 1800mg of Vitamin C before and after you do it, 5HTP, Phenylalinine, Tyrosine, Calcium, Magnesium and a good multivitamin. Preferably take a Prozac 6 hours afterwards. These will minimise any damage to your brain and ensure the optimum ride.

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Originally posted by l�cid x2

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Originally posted by Omega_M the damage it [i.e. E] does remains forever

This is scientifically UNPROVEN and intensely debated and you know it.

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Originally posted by cenik_RH905 This is scientifically UNPROVEN and intensely debated and you know it.

well i used to roll 3 times a week for a couple months and i have HPPD (not very extreme but enough that i dont do any psychedelics at all anymore) and id argue that what the other guy says is true. although someone made a good point saying that it all depends on individual neurochemistry and the mind is a very subjective thing anyways so its hard to make any firm conclusions especially considering the lack of [modern] research into the matter. although i am aware that i abused the drug and do beleive that it has therapeutical or other positive pontential.

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Originally posted by jahnlay I've done plenty of e in my life and there are ways to contain any damage to your brain. Take at least 1800mg of Vitamin C before and after you do it, 5HTP, Phenylalinine, Tyrosine, Calcium, Magnesium and a good multivitamin. Preferably take a Prozac 6 hours afterwards. These will minimise any damage to your brain and ensure the optimum ride.

I wish everyone took such precautions before taking drugs, then there would be virtually no problem with them as no one would end up getting hurt. Just be careful of who you're getting your drugs from and whats in them and take care of yourself before and after taking the drug and most of the time you'll be ok.

Instead, using E as an example, some dude or chick goes out, gets some bad E which probably isn't even E...drinks alcohol making things worse, dances and overheats, and then dies and all of a sudden E is looked at as evil and dangerous and illegal...same thing has happened with pretty much every other drug.

Yet how many people go out, act stupid and drink themselves to death every year and thats still perfectly legal

use in moderation.. yea I know its hard for some to do that. thats the main problem.

like most everyone in this thread, ive done my share of e. i'd have to say, i give props to anyone who could actually die due to taking e, (unless the pill was toxic or some shit like that). that would be hard. i always hear people say, "when you're on e you might forget to drink water" or some gay shit like that. thats impossible. drinking any liquid on e is the bombest feeling. you cant not drink water. although one time i took like....4 blue dolphins and smoked 4-5 bowls and went and played football. there was no water there. i was running around for 90 minutes without water. the driest my mouth has ever been. i could feel the dryness seeping down my throat. i was was fine though. looking back, that was pretty fuckin stupid. ah well.

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Originally posted by isthatacow2 i always hear people say, "when you're on e you might forget to drink water" or some gay shit like that. thats impossible. drinking any liquid on e is the bombest feeling. you cant not drink water.

I disagree, people often get caught in the moment and forget to drink, or worse, feel that booze is a valid substitute. The sheer amount of people I see muntered in clubs that arent carrying water bottles is testament to that.

i have a premed degree with a specialization in neuroscience, and imo mdma/mda are rather benign when used responsibly, and any socalled "scientist" who has published otherwise oughta take a hard look at what it means to do real research and not just find whatever results those funding your work wanted to find.
Most educated people who actually look into it know that mdma isn't really toxic, but if you really dig, most recreational drugs including marijuana, cocaine, heroin, mushrooms, lsd, and even the dreaded methamphetamine, aren't really very dangerous if used by mentally and physically healthy people, used responsibly, and used sparingly and in reasonably small doses. Serious problems generally only develop from the side effects of addiction and not taking care of yourself becuase you're so f'd up all the time and spending all your cash on drugs instead of things like food and rent.
As a side note, the famous "holes in the brain" pictures used as propoganda against ecstasy by the us government, were later found out to be from methamphetamine and not mdma, and also had been dosed to the kind of levels that no recreational user would ever be capable of. - i actually learned this in a classroom at uc irvine

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Originally posted by Insomnia`SF i have a premed degree with a specialization in neuroscience, and imo mdma/mda are rather benign when used responsibly, and any socalled "scientist" who has published otherwise oughta take a hard look at what it means to do real research and not just find whatever results those funding your work wanted to find. Most educated people who actually look into it know that mdma isn't really toxic, but if you really dig, most recreational drugs including marijuana, cocaine, heroin, mushrooms, lsd, and even the dreaded methamphetamine, aren't really very dangerous if used by mentally and physically healthy people, used responsibly, and used sparingly and in reasonably small doses. Serious problems generally only develop from the side effects of addiction and not taking care of yourself becuase you're so f'd up all the time and spending all your cash on drugs instead of things like food and rent. As a side note, the famous "holes in the brain" pictures used as propoganda against ecstasy by the us government, were later found out to be from methamphetamine and not mdma, and also had been dosed to the kind of levels that no recreational user would ever be capable of. - i actually learned this in a classroom at uc irvine

I'll cheers to that!

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Originally posted by Insomnia`SF As a side note, the famous "holes in the brain" pictures used as propoganda against ecstasy by the us government, were later found out to be from methamphetamine and not mdma, and also had been dosed to the kind of levels that no recreational user would ever be capable of. - i actually learned this in a classroom at uc irvine

Wasn't like an equivalent dose to a human doing 1g per kilo body weight?

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Originally posted by isthatacow2 i give props to anyone who could actually die due to taking e

"Wow, he popped a couple of pills, rolled over [no pun intended] and died! Props to him, bro!"

I honestly can't tell you how pissed that statement makes me.

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Wasn't like an equivalent dose to a human doing 1g per kilo body weight?

that was the NIDA study, from the same genius that said that E causes parkisons disease.... and ya it was about 1g per kilo body weight. and that wasnt E either, it was Methamphetamine dosed intravenusly..... man those monkeys must have had one helluva trip..... if your going to get swiss cheese brain, i cant think of a more fun way to do it.

im about 230 lbs, so thats like 104 kg aprox. so 104 GRAMS of pure methamphetamine on intravenous drip? im surprised the monkeys were breathing after that dose..... that had to be approachin LD50...

Better living life through chemistry

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ok but you dont really go and fly on the jet...to get high do you? lol

Well.... technically....

ok but pure mdma triggers your body to release it's own supply of seratonin in large amounts correct?

so if you are doing that every weekend, you're going to eventually screw up your body's chemistry and levels of seratonin right, thus causing depression? can your body make up for that lost seratoning without the use of drugs or anti-depressants?

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Originally posted by Slylee ok but pure mdma triggers your body to release it's own supply of seratonin in large amounts correct? so if you are doing that every weekend, you're going to eventually screw up your body's chemistry and levels of seratonin right, thus causing depression? can your body make up for that lost seratoning without the use of drugs or anti-depressants?

i think another misconception is people believe massive stacking of 5HTP pre/post dropping will help them maintain their seratonin levels. Now I'm not doctor, but like anything in life, if you over saturate your seratonin receptors, wouldn't you think you'd do more damage then say just depleating the seratonin and then helping it back up. I've seen people "preload" before they drop and granted it might help with the come down, I just don't think it's all the necessary. Then again, doing E isn't something that should be done regularly IMHO.

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