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Originally posted by -MCLAIN- I am just finalising a project at the minute which i will make available online in lofi format soon for criticism. I will post back here soon with it. I dont post anything that I think isnt worthy of getting feedback from a label. Anything i will be posting on here will be of the best of my ability. I dont want any bad reflections on me if you know what i mean by posting unfinished demos that i know wont cut it.

yea i used to post some shite on here. regret it now but i was only starting off producing so i learnt alot from people telling me what was shit and giving me pointers. i think posting shit makes you better, when people rip you apart you release you need to sort it out. haha.

Lol at the last bit, fair point and makes sense . I have been producing dance music for around 9 years now and im 20 years old. I watched other people from every level along the way from the start (the good old dance ejay days, learning how to put loops together) to basic sequencers (FL Studio) and then to professional kit like Acid Pro and never once have I posted a track on a forum because I have seen people slagged to shit over a tune which is obviously shit anyway but they thought different and I know how hard it set them back. Of course, you never heard from them again lol. Sure most new producers you have never heard of even on forums and they come out of nowhere with this new release on a label!

Effectively promo white label is the way to go once you are confident you have what it takes. Let a record label decide if your good enough or not first, they know the score better than even the most dedicated to trance. Being on promo lets dedicated trance fans and possibly some DJs play your track and get feedback on it which the label takes into consideration. Plus once people see a label has already considered you, listeners will view your track more positively from the beginning than some randomer who posts their work on a forum. Most people who listen to peoples work on forums expect it to be shit initially cos youve heard it all before..

its like that on this forum as you will see. when someone who is signed puts a track up everybody says its good even if its shit. haha. so stupid but as ive heard great tracks from people on this wh oarent signed and people have no time for them.

exactly. theres always room for severe criticism when someone isnt signed. I sent a hard trance demo (just the 1) to HardTimez Records just to see what they said even though i knew one demo isnt usually enough for a label to consider you and even on that 1 track they gave me positive feedback but wanted to hear more to get an idea of what im really capable of. Thats the kinda feedback i listen to.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery Indeed. Versatility is the key. If you get stuck on producing one genre you won't make a living, especially if you're doing trance since the market is way too crowded as it is.

Versatility is important, but you need to have limited versatility. You have to make the choice, be the master at one, or just good at a bunch. I have narrowed down my choice to just making chill-out/ambient music now and ever since I made that decision I found the quality of my productions has improved because I'm not spending so much time fiddling around with my guitars on rock stuff or spending countless hours looking for a fresh way to do 4/4 trance drum loops without ompa ompa itis. Now, I only concentrate on my synths and making them sound good in a chill-out emotional way.

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Originally posted by FuzzyGreen Versatility is important, but you need to have limited versatility. You have to make the choice, be the master at one, or just good at a bunch. I have narrowed down my choice to just making chill-out/ambient music now and ever since I made that decision I found the quality of my productions has improved because I'm not spending so much time fiddling around with my guitars on rock stuff or spending countless hours looking for a fresh way to do 4/4 trance drum loops without ompa ompa itis. Now, I only concentrate on my synths and making them sound good in a chill-out emotional way.

That's why you need to find stuff that works with each other. Like chillout/ambient is often (though not always) related to trance & prog.

Also, you can succeed by producing just one genre but that doesn't mean you'd have to sound the same every time.

theres a lot of money in the EDM scene,
its just that tiesto is getting a majority of it.

but in all honesty i don't see someone making a living purely producing EDM.

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Originally posted by Mr Rogers theres a lot of money in the EDM scene, its just that tiesto is getting a majority of it.

:rofl

I just got the beatport newsletter, Tiesto has some new releases, his "Tube" EP I think it's called. I am listening to them now, I'm not that impressed. It doesn't inspire me at all. This is Trance? His new tracks are listed under trance. I guess it's true that Trance has taken a turn toward techno. Repititious, simple progressions, cheesey sounding synths. Why don't they just call it something else? If it's not Trance, don't call it that then.

If very few producers are making uplifting trance, it seems like the ones that do will have the market all to themselves. There's got to be some kind of demand for uplifting Trance, even if it's just a few hangers on. Is A&B going to go techno/house too?

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...Is A&B going to go techno/house too?

No but they might make the shift to gay diva house soon! you go, girlfriend!

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Originally posted by zodiac9 I just got the beatport newsletter, Tiesto has some new releases, his "Tube" EP I think it's called. I am listening to them now, I'm not that impressed. It doesn't inspire me at all. This is Trance?

that tube ep is the worst piece of music i've ever heard

The Tube is from 1996, so it's hardly the direction the genre is going.

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Originally posted by thecYrus with dj gigs.. you won't get much money from releases!

What he said exactly. Gigs are where the money is. The productions just get you there.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery The Tube is from 1996, so it's hardly the direction the genre is going.

This is a new release from Bonzai dated 8/15/06, and it's listed under progressive trance. It must be a rerelease, or a remix then? What's up with that? Can't find any info on it.

there really isn't money in music unless your a star of course and have been producing for years like tiesto ,paul oakenfold ,Bruno Magli ,etc.

if you put out quality stuff for a good while and some label likes your stuff then youll see some money of course ,but not right away.

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Originally posted by zodiac9 This is a new release from Bonzai dated 8/15/06, and it's listed under progressive trance. It must be a rerelease, or a remix then? What's up with that? Can't find any info on it.

http://www.discogs.com/release/12755
You figure it out.

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Originally posted by zodiac9 This is a new release from Bonzai dated 8/15/06, and it's listed under progressive trance. It must be a rerelease, or a remix then? What's up with that? Can't find any info on it.

the re-release is part of bonzai's digital releasing schedule of old tracks that a lot of people never got the chance to own

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Originally posted by Lindo There's a post over at T.nu just like this. I'll share the link with you so you can look it over. Trance.nu - Producers Income

BAN!!!!

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Originally posted by dj_alfi BAN!!!!

Geek!

love of music

dude u are in this for the wrong reasons...... it shouldnt matter about money.... as tiesto said it takes 10years of hardwork to get to the top... if you sell out at the first chance of a deal then u might get alittle money but not much if u hold out until you can program in your sleep then you can do well..

you have to have an orginal sound to make alot of money.... you have to be true to your self. a few mates have got a deal and are get about �1000 a release which is good but they are under alot of pressure to produce music....its can easily turn from love to work...they are only 20 and are still learning.

my advice is get 5years under your belt then take stuff to label...for two reason one you will a good producer and know how a piece of music works and not rely on a good day to write a killer tune and two when you get a deal you have alot of tunes you can fall back on.. instead of scratching ure head and all future releases sounding the same.

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Originally posted by Ian the re-release is part of bonzai's digital releasing schedule of old tracks that a lot of people never got the chance to own

Thank you. It all makes sense now They need a genre called "classic Trance", instead of listing it under progressive trance.

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