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Originally posted by Ishkur The best DJs in the world have up to 500,000 records. 500,000! If a DJ is really putting a lot of effort into being the tip-top pinnacle of his profession--like, say, someone considered #1--then it doesn't matter if you listen to a new set of his once a week or ten times a week, you really shouldn't hear the same song twice from him in any inordinate amount of time (if he's doing his job correctly, with the connections he has and the records he obtains). If, on the other hand, all you hear are his own productions and his friends/labels productions 10 times a week, then what you're bearing witness to is not a DJ, but a spamwhore.

hey, don't forget there are exceptions (think Ron Hardy and 'his' Acid Tracks)

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Originally posted by thesuperfunk where do you read this shit?

Not read--saw. The movie Scratch. Go see. Who was it that was sitting in his basement, with the records piled around him? I think it was DJ Krush ...there was literally about 700,000 records in that room. Piled 12 feet high. Z-Trip has about 400,000 records. They all have gargantuan numbers of records.

At this point, they aren't really DJs insomuch as they are musical archeologists...they hunt the nooks and crannies of the hobby shops, the obscure labels, the bargain bins, the record pools, the invite-only mailing lists, to become part of an inner circle that does nothing but lives and breathes music, each one of them a living encyclopedia of the entire history of recorded music, going all the way back to the 40s when the first 45s were released.....the old 7 inch singles.

Does not Tiesto do that? Would not the best DJs in the world do that? Is that not why they became DJs in the first place? ...because of their seemingly obsessive-compulse love for music?

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Originally posted by Demoted lol Ferry Mayday 01-05-2006 01. Ferry Corsten & Ramin Djawadi - Prison Break Theme (Ferry Corsten Break Out Extended Mix] 02. Ferry Corsten - Galaxia 03. DJ Tatana feat. Joanna - If I Could [Ronski Speed Remix] 04. Ferry Corsten feat. Simon Le Bon - Fire [Ferry Corsten's Flashover Mix] 05. Lange & Gareth Emery - Three 06. Nitrous Oxide - North Pole 07. Ferry Corsten - Beautiful 08. Sander van Doorn - Punk'd [Sean Tyas Remix] 09. Ferry Corsten - Loud, Electronic, Fericious Ferry Corsten @ The Park 22-07-2006 01. Ferry Corsten - I Love You 02. Ferry Corsten - Beautiful 03. Breakfast - The Storm 04. Sander van Doorn - Dark Roast (2006 Re-Fill) 05. Ferry Corsten - L.E.F. 06. Ferry Corsten - Watch Out! (Extended Mix) 07. Phantom Force - Mind Games 08. ID 09. Mojado - Rezo Ferry Corsten live @ Sensation White 2006 01. Ferry Corsten - L.E.F (Intro 02. Ferry Corsten - Are You Ready 03. Ferry Corsten Feat. Simon Le Bon - Fire (Ferry Corsten's "Flashover" Mix 04. Ferry Corsten & Ramin Djawadi - Prison Break Theme (Ferry Corsten "Break Out" Extended Mix) 05. Ferry Corsten - Galaxia 06. Ferry Corsten - Beautiful 07. Ferry Corsten - L.E.F 08. Ferry Corsten - Watch Out 09. Ferry Corsten - Cubikated

This is promotion of his album mostly. Unfortunately this sucks when it happens.

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Originally posted by CraSHer[UK] ferry is quite partial to the occasional producer set

didnt bother going through the whole post to see what ppl said about htis comment but yes i couldnt agree more. saw him 2 months ago and he only played 2 tracks that werent produced or remixed by him self.

Why the f**k not? A guy has to make a living.

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Originally posted by PutBoy Why the f**k not? A guy has to make a living.

yeah, i'm sure the 'top' dj's would be starving otherwise.

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Originally posted by PutBoy Why the f**k not? A guy has to make a living.

For the last time, I don't think we're all necessarily saying it's a bad thing to promote one's self. We're just stating that ones that do it as opposed to others who actually adhere to the traditional dj standards like playing other people's music.

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Originally posted by Ishkur Not read--saw. The movie Scratch. Go see. Who was it that was sitting in his basement, with the records piled around him? I think it was DJ Krush ...there was literally about 700,000 records in that room. Piled 12 feet high. Z-Trip has about 400,000 records. They all have gargantuan numbers of records. At this point, they aren't really DJs insomuch as they are musical archeologists...they hunt the nooks and crannies of the hobby shops, the obscure labels, the bargain bins, the record pools, the invite-only mailing lists, to become part of an inner circle that does nothing but lives and breathes music, each one of them a living encyclopedia of the entire history of recorded music, going all the way back to the 40s when the first 45s were released.....the old 7 inch singles. Does not Tiesto do that? Would not the best DJs in the world do that? Is that not why they became DJs in the first place? ...because of their seemingly obsessive-compulse love for music?

Ishkur... Top DJs don't have this precious thing called... time to sort through all those.

Yes they do. I just told you who they were!

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Originally posted by iammesol Ishkur... Top DJs don't have this precious thing called... time to sort through all those.

Thats their JOB.

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Originally posted by Ishkur The best DJs in the world have up to 500,000 records. 500,000! If a DJ is really putting a lot of effort into being the tip-top pinnacle of his profession--like, say, someone considered #1--then it doesn't matter if you listen to a new set of his once a week or ten times a week, you really shouldn't hear the same song twice from him in any inordinate amount of time (if he's doing his job correctly, with the connections he has and the records he obtains). If, on the other hand, all you hear are his own productions and his friends/labels productions 10 times a week, then what you're bearing witness to is not a DJ, but a spamwhore.

People that pay to see the DJ spin don't want to hear some obscure song because the DJ didn't want to play the same song twice in any inordinate amount of time. If the DJ played songs that nobody came to hear, he wouldn't be doing his job correctly. (Not to say that hearing new music isn't enjoyable)

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Originally posted by iammesol Ishkur... Top DJs don't have this precious thing called... time to sort through all those.

That statement was silly.

C'mon, admit it...

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Originally posted by Demoted For the last time, I don't think we're all necessarily saying it's a bad thing to promote one's self. We're just stating that ones that do it as opposed to others who actually adhere to the traditional dj standards like playing other people's music.

Read the topic! Dj's who _whore_ their own productions? Since when does that not imply that it's a bad thing?

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Originally posted by Psy-T yeah, i'm sure the 'top' dj's would be starving otherwise.

No musician that actually creates their own music makes a tonne of money. Only names like britney spears and christina aguiwhatthefuckshername does that.

Beside, the only reason (yeah, the only reason) they make money in the first place is because they promote their own work by 'whoring'. So, yeah, they would either starve or get a day job if they didn't 'whore'.

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Originally posted by PutBoy No musician that actually creates their own music makes a tonne of money. Only names like britney spears and christina aguiwhatthefuckshername does that. Beside, the only reason (yeah, the only reason) they make money in the first place is because they promote their own work by 'whoring'. So, yeah, they would either starve or get a day job if they didn't 'whore'.

britney & christina are musicians and make music?

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Originally posted by d:rek People that pay to see the DJ spin don't want to hear some obscure song

Yes they do.

You want to hear the same song as last week, played the exact same way that it was on the CD, go to a concert. The original appeal of raves was that you didn't know what you were going to hear; it was a mystery. It was an ADVENTURE. Sure, you had an idea what kind of music you were about to hear, but you didn't know what specific songs, or in what ways they would be applied. There was an allure to it...an enigma, an discovery of sound and colour and emotion that would exist for just one night, then dissapear by next day, never to be recaptured. The music was meant to be cheap; disposable, simple one-ideas that were fly-by-night....you get them, play them, and move on...so there was no image in the music. Everything being temporary, existing so long as is needed, and then dispersing. The people, the idea, the party, the movement....the music. Always searching, driving, looking for more music to encapsulate as one music moments.

The scene was never meant to dwell on one song, or one DJ, or one artist playing, for any amount of time longer than the song was playing on any given night. The unresolved, infinite track means that music is to have no image, no substance, no face, no name, no nothing...the songs are supposed to blend together so there's no separation of ego and image. All music just one constant, ceaseless soup. The death of the rockstar, the death of the message, the death of meaning, the death of music, the end of album-oriented marketing, the end of purpose, past, and idolotry.

There is only a NOW. Blip culture.

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Originally posted by Ishkur Yes they do. You want to hear the same song as last week, played the exact same way that it was on the CD, go to a concert. The original appeal of raves was that you didn't know what you were going to hear; it was a mystery. It was an ADVENTURE. Sure, you had an idea what kind of music you were about to hear, but you didn't know what specific songs, or in what ways they would be applied. There was an allure to it...an enigma, an discovery of sound and colour and emotion that would exist for just one night, then dissapear by next day, never to be recaptured. The music was meant to be cheap; disposable, simple one-ideas that were fly-by-night....you get them, play them, and move on...so there was no image in the music. Everything being temporary, existing so long as is needed, and then dispersing. The people, the idea, the party, the movement....the music. Always searching, driving, looking for more music to encapsulate as one music moments. The scene was never meant to dwell on one song, or one DJ, or one artist playing, for any amount of time longer than the song was playing on any given night. The unresolved, infinite track means that music is to have no image, no substance, no face, no name, no nothing...the songs are supposed to blend together so there's no separation of ego and image. All music just one constant, ceaseless soup. The death of the rockstar, the death of the message, the death of meaning, the death of music, the end of album-oriented marketing, the end of purpose, past, and idolotry. There is only a NOW. Blip culture.

yeah I def go out to hear the obscure songs, that I'd never think that a dj would play. Cause in reality its thoes obscure songs that are the only ones different from the rest of the tracks, thus why they are obscure...

but to hear tracks like that now, sometimes u need to listen to a lot of crap though.

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Originally posted by sandstorm03 britney & christina are musicians and make music?

No, that's what I said. That they do not create their own music.

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Originally posted by PutBoy Read the topic! Dj's who _whore_ their own productions? Since when does that not imply that it's a bad thing?

Some people like whores.

there is a difference between playing a track of your own or a new remix you did or whatever and ONLY playing your tracks all night. even if you're a very active producer...you can still play a good chunk of your work, but when that's all you play...it's a little ridiculous.

i think the most important element of playing lots of your own work is the diversity factor. when you're gabriel & dresden or steve angello and you just drone on for an hour or two with tracks that really have no diversity to them...it gets old and boring pretty quick.

it's funny because the people that tend to whore their own productions are usually not that great at producing to begin with.

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Originally posted by Ishkur Yes they do.

real world calling ishkur, you're late for your appointment.

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Originally posted by Ishkur Not read--saw. The movie Scratch. Go see. Who was it that was sitting in his basement, with the records piled around him? I think it was DJ Krush ...there was literally about 700,000 records in that room. Piled 12 feet high. Z-Trip has about 400,000 records. They all have gargantuan numbers of records. At this point, they aren't really DJs insomuch as they are musical archeologists...they hunt the nooks and crannies of the hobby shops, the obscure labels, the bargain bins, the record pools, the invite-only mailing lists, to become part of an inner circle that does nothing but lives and breathes music, each one of them a living encyclopedia of the entire history of recorded music, going all the way back to the 40s when the first 45s were released.....the old 7 inch singles. Does not Tiesto do that? Would not the best DJs in the world do that? Is that not why they became DJs in the first place? ...because of their seemingly obsessive-compulse love for music?

Why are you comparing Krush and Z-Trip to Tiesto? Krush and Z-Trip will play maybe 30 or 40 records in a single set because they do alot of beat juggling, sampling, scratching etc, they're not mixing 7 or 8 minute tracks. And if a track is good, a track is good and djs are going to play it. There's no getting around that. I have a few songs that I absolutely love to hear out, so I play them in alot of my sets. I have 2 sets, recorded, for different radio shows where I played 2 of the same songs. Not in any kind of order but they're in there. I feel those tracks are what represent what I was feeling at the time. By your definition, it seems you don't want djs to have a favorite song.

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Originally posted by Clovis86 Thats their JOB.

Ok... why don't you take a look at Axwell's schedule right now.

* 24/08 Cream@Amnesia,Ibiza,Spain
* 26/08 MinistryOfSound,London, UK
* 26/08 Subliminal@Creamfields, UK
* 31/08 1234 Club, Montreal, Canada
* 01/09 Soundbar, Chicago, US
* 02/09 Supperclub, San Fransisco, US
* 03/09 Nikki Beach, Miami, US
* 14/09 Cream@Amnesia,Ibiza,Spain
* 16/09 Cadeski Manaje, St Petersburg, Russia
* 23/09 Positiva@The Cross, London, UK
* 29/09 Villa, Toulon, France
* 30/09 Amazonia, Malta



How bout next time you have to travel that much, with the only time to sleep being your time on planes... search for all the obscure songs and perfect them into your sets.

I swear sometimes some of the people on this forum just like to hear themselves talk.

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Originally posted by iammesol Ok... why don't you take a look at Axwell's schedule right now. * 24/08 Cream@Amnesia,Ibiza,Spain * 26/08 MinistryOfSound,London, UK * 26/08 Subliminal@Creamfields, UK * 31/08 1234 Club, Montreal, Canada * 01/09 Soundbar, Chicago, US * 02/09 Supperclub, San Fransisco, US * 03/09 Nikki Beach, Miami, US * 14/09 Cream@Amnesia,Ibiza,Spain * 16/09 Cadeski Manaje, St Petersburg, Russia * 23/09 Positiva@The Cross, London, UK * 29/09 Villa, Toulon, France * 30/09 Amazonia, Malta How bout next time you have to travel that much, with the only time to sleep being your time on planes... search for all the obscure songs and perfect them into your sets. I swear sometimes some of the people on this forum just like to hear themselves talk.

They can't listen to promos on their laptop/mp3 player/cd player while on the plane? Granted I find it tough to look for new tracks all the time because of work and other things, but it's not like these guys have a 9-5 job

Not trying to defend Clovis or anything, but think about it, he probably doesn't even have to physically look for that much music anymore. Get a stack of promo cds and listen to them. I'm sure he can decide right off the bat if a track is going to work or not.

If you look at that schedule as well you'll notice he doesn't fly from Europe to America for each gig either.
On that one it's 3 x UK in a row, 4 x America in a row etc.

I'm sure they can have VERY stressy periods, but firstly DJing around the world probably is a lot of TAers dream.
At least I would never complain and I doubt the DJs do either.
Living of DJing is based on a big interest, so you can't really call it a job in that way. Because it's based on having fun, making a living of it isn't really something you can foresee in your young age.
Same with professional football players.

Anyway, here is an example of a set where a trance producer plays a lot of his own stuff.

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01. Opus III - It's A Fine Day (Leon Bolier Remix) 02. Fred Baker vs. Nyram - Confirmation 03. Karen Overton - Your Loving Arms (Menno de Jong Remix?) 04. Leon Bolier pres. Surpresa - Poseidon 05. Leon Bolier pres. Surpresa - Back In The Days 06. Push - The Legacy (Club Mix) 07. E-Craig - Home (Vocal Mix) 08. Carlos - The Silmarillia (Leon Bolier Remix) 09. ID (Leon Bolier production) 10. Utah Saints - Lost Vagueness (Oliver Lieb's Main Mix) 11. Bolier & Coenraad - The Mighty Ducks 12. Bolier & Coenraad - ID 13. Airbase - Escape 14. Reflekt feat. Deline Bass - Need To Feel Loved (The Thrillseekers Remix) 15. Leon Bolier pres. Inner Stories - Beyond 16. Airwave - Alone In The Dark

No need to say who the DJ was. Anyway this was on Saturday, I was there and it rocked. Why ? He spins like eight of his own beloved productions (which I love) in addition to some classics and a few other rocking tunes from the past weeks and months.
You might think eight out of sixteen tunes sounds like a little overdose ? Well you don't complain when you experience it, because this can't be described it words.

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Originally posted by iammesol Ok... why don't you take a look at Axwell's schedule right now. * 24/08 Cream@Amnesia,Ibiza,Spain * 26/08 MinistryOfSound,London, UK * 26/08 Subliminal@Creamfields, UK * 31/08 1234 Club, Montreal, Canada * 01/09 Soundbar, Chicago, US * 02/09 Supperclub, San Fransisco, US * 03/09 Nikki Beach, Miami, US * 14/09 Cream@Amnesia,Ibiza,Spain * 16/09 Cadeski Manaje, St Petersburg, Russia * 23/09 Positiva@The Cross, London, UK * 29/09 Villa, Toulon, France * 30/09 Amazonia, Malta How bout next time you have to travel that much, with the only time to sleep being your time on planes... search for all the obscure songs and perfect them into your sets. I swear sometimes some of the people on this forum just like to hear themselves talk.

If I was on that schedule, I'd be checking beatport etc in my spare time, to pick up some new shit. Takes me about 15 minutes to go through the new releases, add anything good to my cart, checkout and download. Not to mention those guys are getting tracks/promos/new music sent to them daily. What he doesnt have time to do, is fuck around with the tracks before hand to see what works. But thats why you get a week off here and there, and thats what I'd be doing in my week off...

I'd get really bored of playing the same shit every night on a tour like that. I'd rather take a chance on some new or old records that I havnt played much than go with a formula of stuff that I know will work. What about all those tracks he had when he started spinnning? Surely his music collection didnt start when he got picked up for this big tour schedules? To me, a DJ is defined by his/her music. You're playing other people's stuff, and your collection of music will define how you sound and where your sets can go.

Look at a guy like Danny Howells. He has so much fucking music, both old and new, that you never know where he can take you...and though he'll drop Madonna remix almost every night this year, he'll play alot of other tracks most people havnt heard, but that still kill the club...and to me thats what being a DJ is about. Its about having a unique style, your own unique taste, reflected in the music you have collected.
Mixing can be learned quickly, a good music collection takes time to grow...

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