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Originally posted by beefy k note to self- don't post while hungover and at work

Take that back. You've elicited probably one of the most intelligent discussions this week.

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Originally posted by beefy k good question, the audio spectrum explains why we like certain pitches and tones better than others but not their relative spacing and timing in composed sounds.

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Originally posted by beefy k In this discussion its important to generalize. I'm not saying that there are a (strange) few that like listening to static, all the power to them. Lets keep the sample space large.

The audio spectrum does not explain anything. It refers to mathematical frequencies in which all sound waves must characteristically have.

What explains why we like certain sounds better is our individual minds. Whether man has a tendency to like certain sounds more than others and why is irrelevent*. Why? Because we are not forced to like those better. All there is is a tendency. Nothing more. So no matter how large you make the sample size, the only possible generalization you can make is that all man has their own unique tastes.**

* As far as I know, we like to hear particular sounds because of conditioning. This just goes to demonstrate that there is no objectivity to man liking certain sounds more than others. For example, we may think a certain odor smells bad because growing up, we were told it smells bad.

** Having a large sample space contradicts the fundamental idea of generalizing! No matter how large a sample size is, you are still taking a particular group of people. So is it alright to say that because of 1000 people, 999 like trance, and one likes house, the person who likes house is wrong to like house? As previously stated, the only possible generalization is that people have their own tastes. In other words, the only objective component of musical tastes is the subjectivity that follows from the nature of music.

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Originally posted by zokissima Take that back. You've elicited probably one of the most intelligent discussions this week.

Sadly it went nowhere, but oh well.

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Originally posted by starsearcher

Im diaspointed that pictures not showing up, judging by the name of it, id probably be ammused

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Originally posted by DanR The audio spectrum does not explain anything. It refers to mathematical frequencies in which all sound waves must characteristically have. What explains why we like certain sounds better is our individual minds. Whether man has a tendency to like certain sounds more than others and why is irrelevent*. Why? Because we are not forced to like those better. All there is is a tendency. Nothing more. So no matter how large you make the sample size, the only possible generalization you can make is that all man has their own unique tastes.** * As far as I know, we like to hear particular sounds because of conditioning. This just goes to demonstrate that there is no objectivity to man liking certain sounds more than others. For example, we may think a certain odor smells bad because growing up, we were told it smells bad. ** Having a large sample space contradicts the fundamental idea of generalizing! No matter how large a sample size is, you are still taking a particular group of people. So is it alright to say that because of 1000 people, 999 like trance, and one likes house, the person who likes house is wrong to like house? As previously stated, the only possible generalization is that people have their own tastes. In other words, the only objective component of musical tastes is the subjectivity that follows from the nature of music.

Very well put. However, your odor analogy isn't really fitting because its a survival instint that we have (not to eat or go near things that smell 'bad' to us.

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Originally posted by Floorwhore QFJJ (quoted for jon jon)

BAHAHA

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Originally posted by starsearcher Right now I'm enjoying this lovely TA discussion I'm an international man of mystery

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Originally posted by beefy k Very well put. However, your odor analogy isn't really fitting because its a survival instint that we have (not to eat or go near things that smell 'bad' to us.

Yea but broccoli smells ****ing nasty to me, some people love it, does that mean my bodys instincts are to not eat brocolli cause its bad for me?

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Originally posted by Import Yea but broccoli smells ****ing nasty to me, some people love it, does that mean my bodys instincts are to not eat brocolli cause its bad for me?

FUCK I CAN'T BEAT YOU GUYS. Fuck. Fuck. Everything is say, one of you comes stormin right back.

I'll get you one of these days.

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Originally posted by TJB Well I have come across a few.

Ew. Didja wipe?

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Originally posted by DanR * As far as I know, we like to hear particular sounds because of conditioning. This just goes to demonstrate that there is no objectivity to man liking certain sounds more than others. For example, we may think a certain odor smells bad because growing up, we were told it smells bad.

I disagree. Carl Jung's theory of subconscious collective seems to apply here better. Frankly, I grew up listening to Rock, then switched to EDM once I matured, so I don't think conditioning has anything to do with it. My mother always told me that Broccoli was good for me and smelled fine, and I still hated it.

We ahve very subconscious ideas about what is good and what is bad "wired" into all of us, but with some people the "wiring" is a little messed up, so you get those select few that enjoy the smell of shit, for example.

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur I disagree. Carl Jung's theory of subconscious collective seems to apply here better. Frankly, I grew up listening to Rock, then switched to EDM once I matured, so I don't think conditioning has anything to do with it. My mother always told me that Broccoli was good for me and smelled fine, and I still hated it. We ahve very subconscious ideas about what is good and what is bad "wired" into all of us, but with some people the "wiring" is a little messed up, so you get those select few that enjoy the smell of shit, for example.

Thats when i believe too. I was raised with country and iranian music. But i remember all through my childhood hearing an EDM song here and there and liking it. Even when i was 8 or 9.

The thing about music is that we don't need it for survival. WHY WHY WHY? Does anyone know more on this. now i can't stop thinking about it.

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if we don't need music as a survival tactic, why should these tastes be prewired?

Guys what are you smoking?

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Originally posted by starsearcher

dude, england sucks, so fuck off

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Originally posted by beefy k Ok. Before i continue, whats your a/s/l.

what does someone's a/s/l have to do with the discussion??

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Originally posted by preppie chick what does someone's a/s/l have to do with the discussion??

I could see age, but sex and location, beats me...

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Originally posted by Import I could see age, but sex and location, beats me...

Just so i know i'm not wasting my time with degenerates.

brain. hurts. me. wants. death.

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Originally posted by starsearcher Guys what are you smoking?

What are YOU smoking, england will never have the cup.

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Originally posted by beefy k if we don't need music as a survival tactic, why should these tastes be prewired?

I think fully answering this question would give you a thesis that would give you a doctorate in psychology.

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Originally posted by beefy k Just so i know i'm not wasting my time with degenerates.

who are you?

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur I think fully answering this question would give you a thesis that would give you a doctorate in psychology.

Lets do it. Me and you buddy.

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