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Originally posted by colonelcrisp technically speaking im not a sturctural engineer (well i will be legally in 6 months) but as i have completed all my materials and structural design courses in steel and concrete, i feel i can bring a bit of expertise to the table. point to be made = anyone who thinks the WTC towers collapse was a controlled demolition using RDX, or thermite or any other host of explosive theories have now had their right to rational thought revoked.... you are clearly retarded. im not going to get into a detailed analysis of the structural failure, and yes i have sat through many lectures on the topic as three of my proffs were on the design team for the building. Stop trying to compare the failure mode of the WTC towers to any other building that has caught fire or been hit with a plane. no two buildings are alike (unless its a home depot cause they are pretty cookie cutter, infact i belive they only need to hire the services of a geotechnical engineer to design the foundation as they never change the design of the main structure from store to store). while some buildings share common construction practices, they all use different sized members in different places, in the case of concrete buildings, the steel rebar is never A in the spot it was designed to be in, B the same size and location as a different concrete building. and lets not forget the main fact taht steel looses 2/3 rds of its strength at about 800 degrees celcius i could show you pictures of buildings that would make you shit yourself if you knew how they were actually built....

post some pics then. i feel like shitting myself.

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Originally posted by Vivid Boy colonel crisp is allowed to speak since hes the only one with any expertise in the area. the rest of u should shut the fuck up and listen

the godfather has spoken!

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Originally posted by josh4 SAVE THE THEORIES FOR ANOTHER THREAD That goes for everyone (pkcRAISTLIN).

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I started this thread, SEPERATE to all the threads about 9/11 conspiracies.
I know threads never go the way you want them to, but for once, in respect and light of the material, thought people posting would keep off the utter crap that is conspiracy theories and 9/11.

Not even to mention previous comments, I have read numerous articles, and know my fair amount about reality, which some people seem to have lost the grasp of, to know that when for example, plane 175 hit the south tower, an approximated 10,000 Gallons of fuel blew up, and 6 floors were distroyed, the heat from the explosions, reached over a million degree's for a matter of a few seconds and when this happened, parts of the structure of the building, melted,and the enormous weight of the floors above, and still, a plane which was in there, would have caused immense stresses on what structure was still there, having been deformed or not.

while i appreciate your support on conspiracy bashing, i must point out a few inconsistencys with your paragraph. jet fuel fire reaching a million degrees is near impossible, 1000 degrees centigrade is feasible but about 800 is all that would be required for the results we saw.

secondly the steel wouldnt have melted, steel melts from between 1200 - 1800 depending on its allow properties, since the WTC towers were built using HSS which has a rediculase amount of nickle and chromium in it, it put its melting point at closer to 1800. since the support columns for the building were all at the perimeter, chances of those columns reaching 1800 in even the bigest of an inferno are pretty slim, but if they hit 800 degrees they lose 2/3rds of their strength.

so you were kind of right anyways. the weakend steel deformed and literally dropped the floors from above onto those below

That was ok... It would have been nice to see the other angel of the plane hitting...

Rich

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Originally posted by DJ Double Threat That was ok... It would have been nice to see the other angel of the plane hitting... Rich

the whole thing went over a long period of time...I'm guessing they turned the camera off when nothing happened, then turned it on again immediately after the plane hit, or the building collapsed

damm Im having problems viewing this wtf..

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Originally posted by LiquidX damm Im having problems viewing this wtf..

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Originally posted by adder the whole thing went over a long period of time...I'm guessing they turned the camera off when nothing happened, then turned it on again immediately after the plane hit, or the building collapsed

Thats VERY true. I was thinking they edited the video before posting this. Whatever the case, they would have had an amazing view of that second plane coming in, but the North Tower would have blocked the impact.

Rich

I saw this last week and it really hits sends a chill down the spine when you see 'new' footage.

Also on YouTube are loads of newsclips from the day from a variety of networks. Watching some of them through reminds me of how utterly confusing everything was that day
http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=goatpussy

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Originally posted by DJ Double Threat Thats VERY true. I was thinking they edited the video before posting this. Whatever the case, they would have had an amazing view of that second plane coming in, but the North Tower would have blocked the impact.

There was only about 15mins or so between AA11 and UA175 hitting the towers. The woman using the camera must have turned the camera off just a minute or so before the second crash.

Thanks to colonelcrisp for explaining the engineering aspects of this and quietening the ignorant conspiracy theory supporters. A friend of mine works in civil engineering and explained the whole thing when the topic came up at dinner one time.

I was having a look through some of the clips on youtube and came across one that I had never seen before.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEpMlPsJ5as

The sound appears to have been edited (what a fucking idiot who ever felt the need to do that) but the image speaks for itself, and is definitely the closest you can come to appreciating the power and magnitude of it all.

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Originally posted by DJ Mikey Mike I was having a look through some of the clips on youtube and came across one that I had never seen before. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEpMlPsJ5as The sound appears to have been edited (what a fucking idiot who ever felt the need to do that) but the image speaks for itself, and is definitely the closest you can come to appreciating the power and magnitude of it all.

I remember you said you've been to NYC. Was it before or after 9/11?

After.

Ok, so this was the first 9/11 thread I found, so I figured I would post this in here:



I don't necessarily believe the theory that the collapse was controlled, however, I do find this incredibly interesting. Up until a few minutes ago, I didn't even know about this.

What do you people think?

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Originally posted by Theresa Ok, so this was the first 9/11 thread I found, so I figured I would post this in here: I don't necessarily believe the theory that the collapse was controlled, however, I do find this incredibly interesting. Up until a few minutes ago, I didn't even know about this. What do you people think?

Welcome to last week!

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Originally posted by Clovis86 Welcome to last week!

Sorry, I hadn't seen it before. Can you send me to a thread where people talked about this?

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Originally posted by Theresa Ok, so this was the first 9/11 thread I found, so I figured I would post this in here: I don't necessarily believe the theory that the collapse was controlled, however, I do find this incredibly interesting. Up until a few minutes ago, I didn't even know about this. What do you people think?

There are so many 9/11 theories but the one that's the most interesting is FEMA. There have been many claims and reports on FEMA being the actual "secret government/black government" of the United States, it's been said that they call the shots.

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Originally posted by Dj_Skez There are so many 9/11 theories but the one that's the most interesting is FEMA. There have been many claims and reports on FEMA being the actual "secret government/black government" of the United States, it's been said that they call the shots.

Links/info?

With this all being brought back, I have been interested in it again. I know a lot of you are going to flame me, but... some of this isn't adding up.

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Originally posted by Theresa Sorry, I hadn't seen it before. Can you send me to a thread where people talked about this?

In this entire thread.


Btw, I thought the towers would collapse shortly after the second plane hit. If you know how they are constructed, how much fuel is in a 767 going to the west coast, and the speed at which they hit, it isnt hard to figure out.

The one thing the conspiracies cannot refute is exactly what we all SAW live on television. What thousands of people in New York saw that day. They continue to try and make people believe that it doesnt add up, to find information that "is fishy", but if there was the same amount of work and frenzy over PROVING THE CONSPIRACIES BASELESS then it would be obvious to people that the idea is illogical.

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Originally posted by Theresa Links/info? With this all being brought back, I have been interested in it again. I know a lot of you are going to flame me, but... some of this isn't adding up.

http://www.heartsongs.org/FEMA.htm

http://911review.org/Wiki/FemaTheSecretGovernment.shtml

If you tought the CIA and NSA were the ones in full control, you're dead wrong.

If you read both articles ,it explains how FEMA could take full control of the nation without the consent of the President or Congress when they feel it's necessary. That's some scary shit.

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Originally posted by Clovis86 In this entire thread. Btw, I thought the towers would collapse shortly after the second plane hit. If you know how they are constructed, how much fuel is in a 767 going to the west coast, and the speed at which they hit, it isnt hard to figure out. The one thing the conspiracies cannot refute is exactly what we all SAW live on television. What thousands of people in New York saw that day. They continue to try and make people believe that it doesnt add up, to find information that "is fishy", but if there was the same amount of work and frenzy over PROVING THE CONSPIRACIES BASELESS then it would be obvious to people that the idea is illogical.

Well this wasn't disputing the WTC, but what about the 7th tower? And what about the Pentagon?

Patriotism can make one blind.

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Originally posted by Theresa Well this wasn't disputing the WTC, but what about the 7th tower? And what about the Pentagon?

I believe that a plane hit the pentagon, and that damage to the inside and foundation of building 7 because of the collapse of 1 & 2 caused it to collapse.

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Originally posted by Theresa Well this wasn't disputing the WTC, but what about the 7th tower? And what about the Pentagon? Patriotism can make one blind.

I'm not a patriot at all, in fact I really hate alot of things about this country. I'm not doubting that the administration may have known about the attacks before hand, and that they have used them for enormous political gain. But I do not like people who make 6 minute flash videos with errie music and some cheap 2 dollar narrator to try and tell me what "really" happened.

If I read a 300 page report that delved into all aspects and took all factors into consideration, written by structural engineers and experts, who believe that the collapse of the towers was due to something else, I might change my opinion.

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Originally posted by Theresa Patriotism can make one blind.

So can being so blatently naive.

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