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Originally posted by PSi You are a blatantly ignorant fool Yoepus...

Damn, ignorant fool I could live with but Blatantly? I would slap you but I'm not sure your brain could process the pain (note to PSI that is how you insult people, you do not go telling them you are stupid, you have to go imply they are.. that way you can always say you aren't a flamer...). Here is some more sound advice for you; Have you considered suing your brains for non-support? You could be a millionare.

back to the subject... I do not claim to be all knowing and wise, but when it comes to this subject I have vastly researched it before forming my opinions, something you might do well with to try.

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first of i dont see how you cant say CNN is based, the bloody host on Hardball (a segment on CNN where they bring in officials of each side) ...on every showing i have seen always aggrees with the views of the israelis.

First 'of' (and I'm the Blatantly ignorant one?) I can't see how you can't read. I have clearly mentioned in my previous post that I clearly favor the wide-spraed opinion that CNN is biased (not based.. I don't think all our based belong to them). I had mentioned CNN is biased, and I pointed out my reasons for it; they censor time allocation between Palestinian and Israel repersentatives. I have alluded that this conflict is exactly like the conflict between the USA and Afghanistan, but you don't hear CNN interupt Dick Cheny, or the Taliban repersentative, telling them that they must allocate the exact ammount of time for the other side.

That fact that the Palestinians gets this PR is a driving force for their terrorism, if it were not for it, many Israeli lives would be spared.

To the other point, perhaps every show you see agrees with the Israeli view of the conflict because they are educated men and have researched the topic and find that indeed the Israeli view is the true view of the conflict?? (and as you recall reports need to report truth). I find it kinda funny now that you say this, especially since just the other day the Arab 'CNN', Al Jazerah (or whatever) denied Sharon from appearing on the network.. doesn't seem very 'fair, or truthful' to me... Clearly biased.

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And secondly i would just like to make an observational statement also based upon "fact",

Wow, for a second I thought you were incapable of this.

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The US will soon "wash it's hands" of the shit it has gotten it-self into and leave the whole palestinian/israeli war in a fvcking mess.

Ya, perhaps they will just leave all the terrorist in the world alone and let the Arab nations accumalate weapons of mass destruction too? We all have our fantasies.. but I believe it is more realisitc to persume that American will 'wash it's hands' of the shit it has gotten itself into by designating Arafatastan as a terrorist regiem, and will give Israel the green light to do as it sees fit to the correct the problem. Please lets try to bring some reality into the situation.. not dellusional hopes and dreams.

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Do you think the israelis will win???? a palestinian war??

Dud *NEWSFLASH* It is an Israeli war too.. they call it an Israeli-Arab (or vice versa) conflict remember??

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1.I dont think so beacuase if they killed alot of them their image would be forever stained before the whole world as killers.

I am absolutely shocked at your brilliance again, you say you think! Wow.. how do you manage to do it against such high odds?

Look, their image is already stained in their Neighborhood no matter if they acted as Saints, or barbaric genocidial machines. I think this carries little weight, since Israel will never commit genocide, those they kill will either die in crossfire, or be responable for inciting violence and hate.. just as they do not. A mass relocation is much different from genocide as well.

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2. There are tons more palestinians than israelis and if the Israelis decide to kill Arafat, then the whole situation will be far more worse and the palestinians will be out of control and cause utter chaos for israelis.

Look, don't play the numbers game.. in the day and age of Nuclear arms it does not matter anymore. You march on Tel-Aviv.. boom!Baghdad, boom! Tehran, boom! Damascuas, boom! Cario, boom! Amman. Clearly the fact that the Arabs have vastly outnumbered the Israeli's have not dettered them for winning all the previous wars imposed on them by the Arabs. And that was conventional warefare. Using History as a reference it is silly to put the conflict as a numbers game, but I do agree.. unless the Arab neighborhood becomes democratized, friendly, peace loving, religious accepting, knowledgable, and truthful people, Israel's existance will be fairly short lived. The only question then remains are you willing to sacrafise the above mentioned capitals for the small shity peace of land? Israel is.

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so i leave this converstaion (hopefully) telling you israelis and your asshole of a leader Ariel Sharon, that you better weigh all your options in this war, and see what can be done about a palestinian state, becasue in my opinion....This is a war you cannot win.

Perhaps our leader is an asshole, but he is our leader, we elected him, and he repersents his people, if we figure out that indeed he is an asshole and don't like that fact we are free to replace him. At least he is no dictator that acts like a lying sub-human do-badder, terrorist, racial instigator, and hate mongorer. I don't want to play the name game.. you apprentaly do, leave it.. it is childess and gets you no where but incites more hate.

As for weighing all the options, you must understand that Israel has a full deck when it is coming to the matter, yet all they play is the peace card. On the other hand the Palestinians have only two cards, terrorism, and Arab support. But we know what an empty hand Arab support is from history already.

You have to realize that Israel's restraint in the matter is very nobel, and that terrorism must reach and end. The fact that Israel might not be on this earth is inevitable.. no Kingdom, Empire, Goverment, Country, or whatever lasts forever they all have their time. But just because you know this does not make the conflict at hand any less or more relevant.

Yoepus
Alcohol doesn't solve any problems, but then again, neither does milk.

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Originally posted by Blik It is the Israeli's own fault that this mess happened....

Bullshit!!!!

Arafat hes started this mess !!!

Dont know how you call it in english ,but he has told to all arabs to make this bombs and shit

It's easy to you to say when you are living in europe and sitting in your home seeing CNN

Nuff BS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

they killed my sister ,they fucking shit terorists!!!
And I dont say shit here ,so nuff BS!

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Damn again i was late..

u all can never understand what is going on here..u can sit at home and watch TV and believe to what u see on TV.. but fuck TV.. we live those hard lives with those fucking suicide arab terorists!!!
we live here in fear... u can't go out to have fun without the knowing that u can be killed tonight.. so please SHUT THE FUCK UP because u know nothing u know shit!!
and we were on this land for 3 thousend years and we have only one state and the arabs have 8 states so the need to fuck off..

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Originally posted by TranceGiant As for the checkpoints: Yes i agree, no soldiers lets some pregnant woman die intentionally. Again this provokes hatred but in this case its all due to Arafat's politics, his Intifada, his mistake!

yeah man ur so right ...everything is arafat's fault ha ?? isnt it ironic how all ur blame falls on him ?? his intifada ..his mistake...arafat bad boy ... israel good good lol nuff said

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Originally posted by Yoepus The link on the front of this thread is akin to pictures of family members mourning their loses, and seeing the dead bodies, of people who jumped out of the 90th floor of the World Trade Center. It is the truth, it is not propoganda, this link had almost brought tears to my eyes and made me feel sad, just as the WTC and any act of terrorism I have witnessed has. Just because you have no morality to understand the losess and pains inflicted on the Israeli people in a war waged upon them does not make this untrue. [/i]

yo dude why dont u go check the number of peeps dead on both sides and u will get a small idea about having a morality to understand losses and pains ?? just go and truly look in a neutral sources and u will c the truth ...stop watching CNN for a start...

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Originally posted by bouzo yeah man ur so right ...everything is arafat's fault ha ?? isnt it ironic how all ur blame falls on him ?? his intifada ..his mistake...arafat bad boy ... israel good good lol nuff said

My firend, please read all my posts, entirely and donct pick yaself certain quotes. At least im able to critisize my own side, nuff said.

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