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fine, moral, u remember more WW2 facts than me, I'll concede on those points.

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard Are you suggesting that unless one had a family member fight in the wars then one has not been effected by them? If you believe that then you're taking way too narrow a view.

no, i'm merely suggesting that that is MY approach which i admit is narrow but only because it's harder for me to internalize the grief when it didn't hit "close to home" so to speak. I believe that's pretty normal. and to each and everyone their own, so others can conclude whether or not they were "personally Affected" their own way.

Look man, i get what you mean, and can certainly understand your anti war sentiment, but the reality is that the world HAD to react to Hitler's actions. The first World War was somewhat of a necessary evil as well. Are you actually saying that Hitler should have been left alone and allowed to do what he wanted? The world would not be the same today, and I am not talking in a good way, even if i hate jews

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Originally posted by fayraree fine, moral, u remember more WW2 facts than me, I'll concede on those points. no, i'm merely suggesting that that is MY approach which i admit is narrow but only because it's harder for me to internalize the grief when it didn't hit "close to home" so to speak. I believe that's pretty normal. and to each and everyone their own, so others can conclude whether or not they were "personally Affected" their own way.

a muslim not caring about the extermination of jews...that is a first

ps. i had grand parents fight on BOTH sides.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On Wow, Fascism was defeated? Link?

LMAO

no, Jay, I don't think Hitler should have been appeased, but I think every country involved should have made mandatory conscription (I think Canada might have...fuck, I should just look it up) and then I would totally support the veterans without any second thoughts. but it's those cowboy flyboys (which I love and respect--i think they're pretty cool actually) who went to fight just out of the excitement of it that i don't think necessarily have to be remembered for going kamikaze with their lack of experience when the Red Baron plowed them.

on the other hand, those soldiers who perform selfless acts of bravery and valour who take a bullet for their partner on the ground, that's commendable and I salute all those heros. (to some extent, even those in Iraq and Afghanistan, who are facing death and rise to the occasion--even though i don't think they should be there in the first place and they have what's coming to them if they play with fire)

fuck, i guess i do really care about remembrance day but i just needed to vent a little.

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Originally posted by elFreak a muslim not caring about the extermination of jews...that is a first ps. i had grand parents fight on BOTH sides.

well, yeah, i thought the jew part was self-explanatory

and all of TA knows the BOTH sides cuz of your german flag at that WW monument, u jackass

Canada did have conscription.

http://wwii.ca/linkcat-1.html

read up on the country you chose to call home paki

bear in mind Canada's population was only 11 million at the time, and see the insane percentage of young men the totals are.

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Originally posted by fayraree well, yeah, i thought the jew part was self-explanatory and all of TA knows the BOTH sides cuz of your german flag at that WW monument, u jackass

actually my grandfather was an italian facist who defected and was put in a German prison camp in which he spent 2 years before the Canadian troops liberated them. It is why he chose to come to Canada. While he remains facist in his beliefs today, he did not believe in what the Germans wanted to accomplish (genocide). He got caught up in Mussolini's propaganda about the return of the glory of Rome.


Seriously fahad, some of your comments make me feel like you do not deserve to live here. Pathetic...go back to pakistan and see how much better it is there.

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Originally posted by fayraree fine, moral, u remember more WW2 facts than me, I'll concede on those points.

(military history minor)

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no, i'm merely suggesting that that is MY approach which i admit is narrow but only because it's harder for me to internalize the grief when it didn't hit "close to home" so to speak. I believe that's pretty normal. and to each and everyone their own, so others can conclude whether or not they were "personally Affected" their own way.

One need not internalize the grief in order to be thankful for the sacrafices of others that safeguarded all that we hold dear and made our present lifestyle possible.

i think you will like the website i posted moral...it has a lot of material for people who are into this sort of thing.

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Originally posted by elFreak actually my grandfather was an italian facist who defected and was put in a German prison camp in which he spent 2 years before the Canadian troops liberated them. It is why he chose to come to Canada. While he remains facist in his beliefs today, he did not believe in what the Germans wanted to accomplish (genocide). He got caught up in Mussolini's propaganda about the return of the glory of Rome.

Italian Fascism and German Nazism were two very different animals with regard to social values. The Fascista movement was pretty much free of the racist beliefs which so drove the Nazi movement. Sure, both were very nationalistic, called for a corporatist economy, and a tremendous social welfare system; however, they pretty much parted ways after that.

I am aware of this Moral. Like i said my grandfather bought into the return of the Roman Empire nonsense. I do not blame him, as propaganda helped shape his views from a young age. It used to be very interesting when i was younger to see him and my grandfather (Canadian soldier) share war stories.

He hated Greeks though so he is kind of racist

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Originally posted by elFreak Seriously fahad, some of your comments make me feel like you do not deserve to live here. Pathetic...go back to pakistan and see how much better it is there.

fuck u stinking wop

you certainly don't respect this country.

go back then.

i am sure the mud hut would be much better.

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Originally posted by elFreak a muslim not caring about the extermination of jews...that is a first

I find it kind of funny the level of support for Nazism in the Arabic world (not that Fahad is of Arabic decent... he isn't... I'm pretty sure). Arabic peoples would be considered unter-menchien by the Nazis and subject to forced sterilization or extermination had the Nazis occupied the Arab world. I can kind of understand it for the Iranian and Indian Muslims, as they would have been considered Aryans by the Nazis (although lower on the totem pole then the Nordic races) but it makes no sense at all for the Arabs.

i'll show u my respect by microwaving ur kitten.

yeah pakis will eat anything.

including ur mom

(buried or NOT asshole )

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Originally posted by elFreak I am aware of this Moral. Like i said my grandfather bought into the return of the Roman Empire nonsense. I do not blame him, as propaganda helped shape his views from a young age. It used to be very interesting when i was younger to see him and my grandfather (Canadian soldier) share war stories. He hated Greeks though so he is kind of racist

In truth, I cannot blame the young men that were swept up in either the Nazi or Fascist movements... they were seduced by system of education and propaganda that was overwhelming for those coming of age in the 1930s. Those soldiers honestly believed what they were doing was right and in the best interest of their countrymen. I have respect for the soldiers on both sides.

You really can't blame him for hating Greeks... although it probably has more to do with their propensity to be dirty, grimy, sheep raping, homos then Fascist ideology.

then i would add italians and portugese to that list.

plus whatever half-breed jay is.

The point here is to be grateful for your freedom. Freedom that was won for you - yes, YOU PERSONALLY (and me, and them , and all of us), freedom that was paid for with the blood of generations.

Whether you agree or disagree with the politics of these wars in principle, remember that millions of husbands, fathers, sons, sisters, wives and daughters never returned to thier families, so their children could live free from persecution.

That deserves two minutes of silence.

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Originally posted by Dr. DAS ...so their children could live free from persecution.

horse shit, i'm persecuted by elFreak everyday

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Originally posted by fayraree horse shit, i'm persecuted by elFreak everyday

Want to form a coalition?

i want to shove you into a pizza oven.

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Originally posted by elFreak you certainly don't respect this country. go back then. i am sure the mud hut would be much better.

Just because you dont respect a country doesnt mean you have to leave it.....


Anyhow my mums side of the family came from Italy to Guatemala in 1914 during the war. Nobody served in it. Now a days i have a strong hate for military (maybe mostly becuase of the my countries history). I do have a couple of friends that are in the war and i always hope they are doing well and that they come home asap and in good spirit, but i fucking hate the military.


ok i am rambling now.

i expect mexicans to be hypocrites so its ok nach.

why live somewhere you don't like and respect?

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