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27-Year CIA Veteran Ray McGovern

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Originally posted by Cyrus King They held japanese people in concentration camps in your country. SO yes.. they are capable of it

I'm not defending their actions... BUT!

What would be done with the Jewish population in Iran if they were at war with Israel?

There were numerous Japanese spies in Hawaii that scouted targets in preparation for Pearl Harbor. How was the government to know that they were not doing the same in preparation for an attack on San Diego (where the rest of the Pacific Fleet was) or any other western city.

Had Nagumo pressed with a 3rd attack, history could have been re-written. Japan was very capable of parking off the California coast until US re-enforcements arrived from the Atlantic, which could have taken weeks if not months.

If they had gone down to Panama and damaged the canal, anything was possible.

You don't seem to understand how close the Axis was to winning WWII. Had Hitler been smarter and not gone for Moscow in the winter, Stalingrad, Africa, etc. There are so many factors involved. Sure it was horrible about the Japanese camps, but I don't think it was that massive of a overreaction.

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Neocons = Nazis?

Indeed, neocons are not Nazis... the Nazis actually had very good social and economic programs

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Pipes Favors Concentration Camps Juan Cole 12/30/04 That the Revisionist-Zionist extremist Daniel Pipes has fond visions of rounding up Muslim Americans and putting them in concentration camps isn't a big surprise. That a mainstream American newspaper would publish this David-Dukeian evil is. Of course, this is also a man that President Bush appointed to a temporary vacancy at the United States Institute of Peace, after the Senate understandably balked at a regular appointment for him. Pipes's little project requires him to attempt to justify the internment of American citizens (of Japanese ancestry) during World War II, a violation on several grounds of the Bill of Rights. I hope Asian-Americans realize that a key wing of the Republican Party, i.e. the Neoconservatives, wishes them ill. If the American yahoos ever start putting people in concentration camps, I think we may be assured that they won't stop with the Muslims or the Asians, and Mr. Pipes will come to have reason to regret his imprudence and, frankly, his demonic implication. Juan Cole is Professor of History at the University of Michigan Why the Japanese internment still matters By Daniel Pipes Middle East Forum 12/30/04 "Star-Telegram" -- For years, it has been my position that the threat of radical Islam implies an imperative to focus security measures on Muslims. If searching for rapists, one looks only at the male population. Similarly, if searching for Islamists (adherents of radical Islam), one looks at the Muslim population. And so, I was encouraged by a just-released Cornell University opinion survey that finds nearly half the U.S. population agreeing with this proposition. Specifically, 44 percent of Americans believe that government authorities should direct special attention toward Muslims living in the United States, either by registering their whereabouts, profiling them, monitoring their mosques or infiltrating their organizations. That's the good news; the bad news is the near-universal disapproval of this realism. Leftist and Islamist organizations have so successfully influenced public opinion that polite society shies away from endorsing a focus on Muslims. In the United States, this intimidation results in large part from a revisionist interpretation of the evacuation, relocation and internment of ethnic Japanese during World War II. Denying that the treatment of ethnic Japanese resulted from legitimate national security concerns, this lobby has established that it resulted solely from a combination of "wartime hysteria" and "racial prejudice." As radical groups like the American Civil Liberties Union wield this interpretation, in the words of columnist Michelle Malkin, "like a bludgeon over the War on Terror debate," they pre-empt efforts to build an effective defense against today's Islamist enemy. The intrepid Malkin, a specialist on immigration, has re-opened the internment file. Her recently published book, bearing the provocative title In Defense of Internment: The Case for Racial Profiling in World War II and the War on Terror (Regnery), starts with the unarguable premise that in time of war, "the survival of the nation comes first." From there, she draws the corollary that "Civil liberties are not sacrosanct." She then reviews the historical record of the early 1940s and finds that: Within hours of the attacks on Pearl Harbor, two U.S. citizens of Japanese ancestry, with no history of anti-Americanism, shockingly collaborated with a Japanese soldier against their fellow Hawaiians. The Japanese government had established "an extensive espionage network within the United States" believed to include hundreds of agents. In contrast to loose talk about "American concentration camps," the relocation camps for Japanese were "Spartan facilities that were for the most part administered humanely." As proof, she notes that more than 200 individuals voluntarily chose to move into the camps. The relocation process itself won praise from Carey McWilliams, a contemporary leftist critic (and future editor of The Nation), for taking place "without a hitch." A federal panel that reviewed these issues in 1981-83, the Commission on Wartime Relocation and Internment of Civilians, was, Malkin explains, "Stacked with left-leaning lawyers, politicians, and civil rights activists -- but not a single military officer or intelligence expert." The apology for internment by Ronald Reagan in 1988, plus the nearly $1.65 billion in reparations paid to former internees, was premised on faulty scholarship. In particular, it largely ignored the top-secret decoding of Japanese diplomatic traffic, codenamed the MAGIC messages, which revealed Tokyo's plans to exploit Japanese-Americans. Malkin has done the singular service of breaking the academic single-note scholarship on a critical subject, cutting through a shabby, stultifying consensus to reveal how, "given what was known and not known at the time," FDR and his staff did the right thing. She correctly concludes that, especially in time of war, governments should take into account nationality, ethnicity, and religious affiliation in their homeland security policies and engage in what she calls "threat profiling." These steps may entail bothersome or offensive measures but, she argues, they are preferable to "being incinerated at your office desk by a flaming hijacked plane." Daniel Pipes is director of the Middle East Forum. www.DanielPipes.org (In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. Information Clearing House has no affiliation whatsoever with the originator of this article nor is Information Clearing House endorsed or sponsored by the originator.)

Source: Information Clearing House

No worries, the percecution of minorities only happens when economic conditions nesesitate an outsider take the blame for the hard times.

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Originally posted by atbell No worries, the percecution of minorities only happens when economic conditions nesesitate an outsider take the blame for the hard times.

No, more like when an elite needs support for a political ideology that has none to begin. Fear generated by genocide and persecution always works, well, at least it did in the case of Zionism... dickhead.

Re: New Holocaust coming soon?

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z My initial concern (of a possible lashback) after 9-11 seems to be coming closer and closer to becoming a reality, except alot worse than I had imagined. See you in the gas chambers.

Riiiiiight, and when you look at the stats, there's still WAY more hate crimes committed against Jews than Muslims in the US. Sounds to me like the Muslims are sure on their way to Islamchowitz.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z No, more like when an elite needs support for a political ideology that has none to begin. Fear generated by genocide and persecution always works, well, at least it did in the case of Zionism... dickhead.

So this is why Muslim Extremists are setting a prime example of not spreading fear by sending suicide bombers to people and places they don't like. So interesting. Tell me more. I think the actual holocaust is in most of the Muslim countries in the Middle East where it's still totally okay to kill the women who don't obey their husbands and the homosexuals.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z No, more like when an elite needs support for a political ideology that has none to begin. Fear generated by genocide and persecution always works, well, at least it did in the case of Zionism... dickhead.

I have a feeling you mis-read my post... sliding US economic conditions, which are happening and I fear have further to slide, make the creation of a scapegoat likely. Sliding support for a political ideology do the same thing.

If I looked different or thought different I'd get the hell out of dodge right now. It's not simply a matter of jew/muslim/gay percecution, it's anything that sticks out, anyone that can be blamed. I expect the "Chinese" (read: anyone who looks asian) to get the brunt of the back lash because the media has been doing a good job setting up for "China stole our jobs", "China is inhumane", "China is wierd".

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Originally posted by atbell I have a feeling you mis-read my post... sliding US economic conditions, which are happening and I fear have further to slide, make the creation of a scapegoat likely. Sliding support for a political ideology do the same thing. If I looked different or thought different I'd get the hell out of dodge right now. It's not simply a matter of jew/muslim/gay percecution, it's anything that sticks out, anyone that can be blamed. I expect the "Chinese" (read: anyone who looks asian) to get the brunt of the back lash because the media has been doing a good job setting up for "China stole our jobs", "China is inhumane", "China is wierd".

Yeah, sorry for misunderstanding your post. I'll retract my use of profanity earlier, my bad.

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Originally posted by atbell I have a feeling you mis-read my post... sliding US economic conditions, which are happening and I fear have further to slide, make the creation of a scapegoat likely. Sliding support for a political ideology do the same thing. If I looked different or thought different I'd get the hell out of dodge right now. It's not simply a matter of jew/muslim/gay percecution, it's anything that sticks out, anyone that can be blamed. I expect the "Chinese" (read: anyone who looks asian) to get the brunt of the back lash because the media has been doing a good job setting up for "China stole our jobs", "China is inhumane", "China is wierd".

Agreed.

The latest media reports of China's poor product handling alarms me.

For example, "poison in your toothpaste". I wonder if anyone actually stopped and sat down and discussed the fact that trace amounts of certain substances are not even harmful, potentially even useful.

They'll ban Chinese toothpaste in a moment, yet every shampoo you've ever used contains lye. LOL

It's the war of double standards.

I wonder what exactly China has done for these economic backlashes; perhaps we realize the power they hold over our dollar, and seek to destabilize in order to regain a sort of commonground. If you can't attack a country directly, you hit them where it hurts: the wallet.

The big one that got me was the recent anouncement that the Chinese oil company was pulling it's investment in a pipeline from Alberta to the Pacific because the Canadian Federal government was not offering any support. The current conservative party in Canada has been critical of the Chinese human rights record yet hasn't given any specific reasons why it's any worse then the Canadian or US governments records. The whole thing reeks of xenophobia.

Our world is to connected now to pull back from inclusive global thinking, but try explaining that to the shot gun toaters who struggle to understand why they can't find work.

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