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Lewis Hamilton is really good, he was quite capable to fight against double world champion Fernando Alonso driving the same car. Although it's too early to tell, think he might be a world champion someday.

Boring race, but a good one nonetheless.

Kimi walked away from everybody, including Massa (even though Massa was stuck behind the Honda's for most of the race).

Button should have let Rubens past early on. He was holding them both up and once Rubens got past he was 2s / lap faster. Stupid.

Great mature drive from Hamilton. He kept his shit together even while leading in his first ever race. Alonso only passed him in the pits. I don't think he was fast enough to actually pass Lewis on the track!!! This kid will be champion, it's only a matter of time. Good for McLaren to bring both cars home too, given their shite reliability from last year.

BMW will be 3rd this year after a close race with Renault. I'm calling it now. BMW looked very good (not sure what happenned to Kubica though since I was watching the race in Dutch ).

Bernie needs to figure out how to get some passing back into F1 since there wasn't much of it at all here. You could see cars getting out of shape mid-corner when they got within .5s of eachother. How can you expect to get a good run on a guy when you can't get closer than .5s and there is now a 19k rev limit and an engine freeze from last year (so no newfound power)???

reduce winged downforce will go a long way to improving overtaking. When you're 0.5 seconds behind a car the turbulance coming off the car in front robs your wings of downforce, hence you have no grip. Reduce the downforce, reduce the turbulence should give the car behind effecitvely more grip (effectively because they too are relying on less downforce grip) letting them race closer and overtake easier (in theory)

Heard a few times over the weekend (including from Bernie who proudly said it was his idea) that he wants night races. If they can race at night (he was saying 8pmish) in the Asia/Pacific region it would give better viewing times in Europe and prime-time in those regions. He says it'd be only for Asia and Australia though.
Problem would be improving lighting enough to allow it though. I think its a pretty crappy idea

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Originally posted by Trance Nutter reduce downforce will go a long way to improving overtaking. When you're 0.5 seconds behind a car the turbulance coming off the car in front robs your wings of downforce, hence you have no grip. Reduce the downforce, reduce the turbulence should give the car behind effecitvely more grip (effectively because they too are relying on less downforce grip) letting them race closer and overtake easier (in theory) Heard a few times over the weekend (including from Bernie who proudly said it was his idea) that he wants night races. If they can race at night (he was saying 8pmish) in the Asia/Pacific region it would give better viewing times in Europe and prime-time in those regions. He says it'd be only for Asia and Australia though. Problem would be improving lighting enough to allow it though. I think its a pretty crappy idea

But reducing downforce without adding any grip elsewhere (softer tyres, tunnel bottoms etc) will only leave the same gap just at slower speeds. They need to put something back. They need non-turbulent downforce (tunnel bottoms) and slick tyres. The racing in the 80's and early 90's was nice, cut & thrust stuff.

"They're going at it hammer & tongs!!!" - Murray Walker. There hasn't been this kind of excitement and passing duels in a couple years.

They had slicks and more liberal tunnel-bottom/ground effect rules to work within.

Currently, there isn't a way to add grip of any kind without slowing the car down in a straight line. I know that's the #1 trade-off in racing, but with a 19k rev limit, power has been reduced which will likely mean teams are always going to set their cars up for straightline speed. Otherwise, it gives away more advantage than it creates in the corners.

As far as night races go, it would be a fun, one-off gimmick, but that's about it. If they want to do night races, they should use tintops. WTCC or DTM would be great at night...especially DTM with the amount of fire they shoot under braking. The F1 cars would look stupid with lights added whereas a tintop already has spots where they would otherwise go on the road-car equivalent.

F1 is really starting to lose me. I'll still watch, but it's becomming closer to just another spec series.

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Originally posted by pmoisse (not sure what happenned to Kubica though since I was watching the race in Dutch ).

Kubica had gearbox problems, he was stuck with gear 5.

happy for kimmi.. not happy for ferrari.. grrr mclaren what happened

best result mclaren will get this season

i expected both of them to have some kind of failure in the last lap

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Originally posted by The_G0dfather best result mclaren will get this season i expected both of them to have some kind of failure in the last lap

dieplzkthx!

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Originally posted by The_G0dfather best result mclaren will get this season i expected both of them to have some kind of failure in the last lap

dieplzkthx!

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Originally posted by nchs09 dieplzkthx!

you just wait and see.

hehe, exactly

this can only be described as a miracle, two McLrans making it to the finish

hehe, at least they look sweet

hehe, that won't win them the championship.

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Originally posted by Omega_M hehe, that won't win them the championship.

I hope so. Can anyone beat ferrari this season ?

Lets not jump to conslusions yet, theres still a long way.

But it has to be said that part of ferrari's package is still to come

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Originally posted by stren I hope so. Can anyone beat ferrari this season ?

yes, mclaren mark my words!

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Originally posted by nchs09 yes, mclaren mark my words!

I predict a blown engine for Alonso in Malaysia.

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Originally posted by Omega_M I predict a blown engine for Alonso in Malaysia.

ur on!... wont happen.

Ferrari does well, and Ron Dennis cries to the FIA. He is now saying that Ferrari is using 'movable floor boards'.

I hope Alanso's engine lets go; so Dennis learns he needs to concentrate on his own team.

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Originally posted by Orko Ferrari does well, and Ron Dennis cries to the FIA. He is now saying that Ferrari is using 'movable floor boards'.

Maybe Ferrari IS using moveable floor boards??? Hell, most teams were running moveable wings last year, and it was Ferrari who protested the mass-dampers on the Renault mid-season. Nevermind Ferrari using those rear wheel spinning brake fan thingys and them NOT being banned even despite prtests from other teams.

Honestly, I don't side with ANY team (before anyone calls me out for being a supporter of one team vs. another). I think all of the team principles can be big fucking babies when they want to...and they often want to.

As soon as Dennis (or anyone else) finds a similar advantage, someone else will bitch about it, or copy it. Likely copy - then bitch.

I think they should just fix a displacement, fix a rev limit, use a slick tyre, and paint a fucking box on the ground that your car has to fit within. Anything else goes (other than ground effects that slide on the ground). Hell, ressurect Ken Tyrrell's brilliant 6-wheel design!! Innovate! Do something cool! Don't just burn the GDP of a small nation in your fucking wind tunnel trying to find 0.5s. They need to loosen the rules, not tighten them.

I don't agree. The rules have tightened and tightened and tightened because cars became too dangerously fucking fast. If all technologies used in the past (like turbos, ground effects, slick tyres, unrestricted qualifying-specific engines, active suspensions, etc etc) were completely legal to use, drivers would seriously risk their lives and might not even be able to physically support all those G-forces. There *needs* to be a limit.

Also, the more technology is unrestricted, the more teams need to spend to research it. Yes it'd lead to interesting innovations, but the teams budgets would be even higher than now, some teams just wouldn't survive. Remember that a couple years ago the F1 grid was each year having less teams. Things changed since a bunch of restrictions were put in place.

Another good point for these, is that now it seems all the cars are closer in performance to each-other. We don't have any 7 seconds per lap slower teams like Forti or certain Minardis anymore. Unfortunately this means it's also harder to pass - but apparently the way to solve this is by restricting aerodynamics further.

^^ true enough, good points.

But, when I said loosen the rules, I'm not advocating going balls-out with mad power. You could take power away but give grip back, and improve overtaking, but then you'd just have A1GP or F3000.

The teams are restricted to what they CAN use now though, yet you still see astronomical budgets since the only really free area now is in aero. Aero takes time and time costs money(and a super computer if you want to spend less time doing your CFD simulations). There isn't much you can do to improve your suspension, and that's not a high-cost area anyways. The engines have been homologated to last years spec. They're working with the seamless-shift boxes now which will cost teams in development and finishes when these new boxes puke their bits all over the track.

Also, the amount of money they spend on hospitality is retarded.

Hopefully they do something to improve the racing, since what we've got now is just another season of follow the leader.

As I've mentionned before, I'm excited to be living in Europe now so that I can check out DTM, WTCC and WRC without having to pay $350 for a weekend of racing.

Formula 1 is not just any racing sport. It is an advanced technology competition between the world's biggest and finest (not necessarily both) car manufacturers. The driver plays an important part, but not as much as in other racing sports. It is a combination of glamor, technology and driving skills that makes formula one so successful. Placing restrictions on technology or curbing the spendings on glamor will take away sponsorship and kill the sport.

^^ Very true.

F1 is more than a sport these days, it involves alot more than just racing itself. F1 is the pinnacle of motorsport racing which means they must have the best in everything (drivers,hospitality,locations,sponsors,etc) otherwise like stated, it would just be another A1GP/F3 series. All these things do make F1 a lot more interesting than the other motorsport series but with not having what it already has today, it just wouldn't be F1.

There needs to be some sort of compromise. Obviously it needs to stand out in terms of technology from all other series, it needs to be most advanced in the world, but put all technology in it and the racing will be terrible. It already is pretty poor - overtaking seems almost impossible this year, although part of it is due to the limit on engine revs and the single tyre supplier.

Another example - they're thinking of freeing up some driver aids like "stability control" in a couple years from now. From what I've read this is basically something that brakes the car whenever there's the danger of going off-road. Meaning, drivers will then be able to risk everything without the chance of spinning into the grass or putting it into the wall. Where's the challenge? What good does this bring to racing? It only pleases the car manufacturers who want to sell these driver aids in road cars.

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