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Originally posted by XaNaX This is a ridiculous argument and completely different than what I said. There is a big difference between not creating something and creating something and then destroying it. If you use birth control the baby never comes into existance. If you abort a baby you created it, it comes into existance, and then you kill it before it can be born. Have you ever seen one of those 4D ultrasounds? You can make any horseshit argument you want but that is a fucking living person inside a woman and if you abort it you killed it. Its no different than if I put a gun to your head and killed you.

I guess it comes down to where you believe life begins. Honestly I wouldn't be qualified to try and say when a baby can first be called 'alive', but I know it's possible to abort well before that point. Personally, I wouldn't have an issue with a child being aborted up until the point when it's almost ready to come out, but that's just me. It may be alive in a sense, but it's certainly not an aware human being. Killing? Possibly. Killing an intelligent, aware, human being? No.

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Originally posted by XaNaX I was exactly like you until my daughter was born. Its amazing how fast your life changes and you become perfectly able to handle that stuff. I do have lots of respect for women who adopt unwanted children rather than have children of their own. They are definately no less of a mom just because they didn't carry that child. Really, its good for you because being pregnant does nothing good at all for the female body both during and after the pregnancy.

you're a chick???

you have a daughter?


wow, i totally thought u were a dude.

anyway...i disagree about abortion being the same as pointing a gun to someone's head and killing them


oh and please be advised that i NEVER use the "rolleyes" haha

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Originally posted by Slylee anyway...i disagree about abortion being the same as pointing a gun to someone's head and killing them

lol..

I still don't understand why people are talking as if abortion is the only option.

Pregnancy isn't instant. It takes a few days for our little friends to swim and get to the egg.

exactly.

morning after pill.

end of thread.


lol

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I still don't understand why people are talking as if abortion is the only option.

Because that takes all the fun out of hypothetical discussion

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Originally posted by Slylee exactly. morning after pill. end of thread. lol

qft

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Originally posted by Slylee you're a chick??? you have a daughter? wow, i totally thought u were a dude. anyway...i disagree about abortion being the same as pointing a gun to someone's head and killing them oh and please be advised that i NEVER use the "rolleyes" haha

No, I'm a guy, but I saw the 9 months of hell that pregnancy is. I saw the delivery and I'll say this, if I was the one who had to go through that I'd sure as hell be adopting. Plus I have a couple friends that recently had babies and I hear them talk about the stretch marks, sagging skin, ect that you get after and even though some people get it worse than others none of them have said "my body is just as good as it was before I had the baby".

And FYI: I'm completely pro-choice, but the people who choose to have one are still killing a human being. The only exception I can see is maybe with the morning after pill when you are still just talking a bunch of cells. Can anyone seriously argue that you don't become you until the second you come out of your mom? If that were the case then what about babies who are born 3 or 4 months premature? Are they different than a baby that is still in its mother 3 months away from birth? If you get raped and you are too lazy to go get a morning after pill and then abort the child later then you are a sack of shit.

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And FYI: I'm completely pro-choice, but the people who choose to have one are still killing a human being. The only exception I can see is maybe with the morning after pill when you are still just talking a bunch of cells. Can anyone seriously argue that you don't become you until the second you come out of your mom? If that were the case then what about babies who are born 3 or 4 months premature? Are they different than a baby that is still in its mother 3 months away from birth?

No, I think the point is more that there's a certain point at which 'you become you', that occurs at some stage during pregnancy, and before that point an abortion is nothing close actually killing a live human being with thoughts and feelings and self awareness.

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Originally posted by Taranis No, I think the point is more that there's a certain point at which 'you become you', that occurs at some stage during pregnancy, and before that point an abortion is nothing close actually killing a live human being with thoughts and feelings and self awareness.

thank you.

oh and xanax, it might sound vain, but i know exactly what you mean about the wear and tear on your body from pregnancy. i'm so little, i can't imagine carrying a child and not getting stretch marks all over and having my body just like fall apart after a child.

i definitely have a very strong nurturing side to me, and i'm wonderful with children and have a strong sense of what's right and what's wrong for them, so i think i would be an excellent mother. but i don't think i'm cut out for the pregnancy part of motherhood, that's all. oh and the first 3 or 4 years of motherhood lol.

but I know that all changes when you get knocked up. i'm sure I would be fine with my own baby if i had one. but when I see pregnant women and i see their big belly, i don't think, "aww" i think, "GEWWWW!" haha like a damn alien is in them. i would be like, "Get this fucking thing out of me already"

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Originally posted by Marc Summers I still don't understand why people are talking as if abortion is the only option. Pregnancy isn't instant. It takes a few days for our little friends to swim and get to the egg.

yeah, i was gonna say... if someone is raped, the first thing they should be doing is going to the hospital for rape kit, STD tests, morning after pill, etc... not sitting around pondering the positives and negatives of abortion.

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Originally posted by XaNaX If you abort a baby you created it, it comes into existance, and then you kill it before it can be born. Have you ever seen one of those 4D ultrasounds? You can make any horseshit argument you want but that is a fucking living person inside a woman and if you abort it you killed it. Its no different than if I put a gun to your head and killed you.

Your argument basically boils down to the fact you believe a life is created immediately upon conception. An ultrasound will not show ANYTHING for several months into a pregnancy. Abortion, at that time usually, is not practiced. Its something that is done at the earliest stages of conception. The pro-choice arguments are no more horseshit that your own arguments. Like I said initially, its all about when individuals believe a clump of cells ceases to be a lump of cells, and becomes a 'life'.

a clump of cells is pretty much equivalent to a vase of flowers in my opinion.

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Originally posted by Slylee a clump of cells is pretty much equivalent to a vase of flowers in my opinion.

and here begins the creepiest Valentines Day trend of 2007. you heard it here first!

what's valentines day? do i get off from work for it?

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Originally posted by l�cid and here begins the creepiest Valentines Day trend of 2007. you heard it here first!

that was such a Rob comment. lol

Baaahhaa

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Originally posted by Slylee you're a chick??? you have a daughter? wow, i totally thought u were a dude. anyway...i disagree about abortion being the same as pointing a gun to someone's head and killing them oh and please be advised that i NEVER use the "rolleyes" haha

That is soooo funny. I wonder how many times THAT has happened here.

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Originally posted by XaNaX When someone posts questions about abortion I typically just say "If your mom was in that situation would you want her to abort you or have you and give you up for adoption?"

Your blanket statement doesn't really apply here. That would be like comparing somebodies father to a random rapist now wouldn't it?

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Originally posted by Ed G One friend of mine knocked up another friend of mine during a casual hookup. The chick was going through a pretty wreckless period in her life where she had been partying and sleeping around a lot. The dude made it clear from the start that he had zero interest in being a father and that he would pay for all of the costs of an abortion. He's a good person and he would have also supported her through the difficult emotional aspect. She decided to have the child. I think she did it because her life was going nowhere and she was lonely. Bad reasons. The short version is that the kid has serious behavioral problems and the chick told me that if she could do it over she would have had the abortion. As odd as it sounds these decisions shouldn't be made from a totally emotional perspective.

Now HOW many stories start off just like that, huh?

And freik'n exactly by the by. Couldn't have said it better my.....wait a minute. I did say it myself.....

My friend who was the father of my other friends baby stuck to his word and had nothing to do with raising the kid. At least he was very honest about it upfront.

She had the baby at home with a midwife (hippy chick) and I was there to be the supporting dood. I slept next to her the night before and labor started at about 8 am. I held her hand for two hours while she screamed and pushed trying to get that little ****** out. By the time he was born his head was cone shaped from the pressure. Unfortunately it went back to regular shape later.

It was a great experience being present at the birth and I felt high for the whole day. It's hard to describe, but it's striking how helpless and innocent a newborn is. I believe I experienced what it's like to be a parent to a small degree. The day of the birth I knew that if anyone tried to harm that baby, that I would go totally prehistoric on their ass. I would do anything to protect him, and it wouldn't involve thought. The feeling faded soon though.

A few months later I fucked that girl while the baby bounced up and down on the bed next to her.

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Originally posted by Marc Summers Hypothetically, I took a poop. I took this hypothetical poop and smeared it on a graham. Then, I roasted the mallow. When the mallows flaming, I stuck it on the poop and covered it with the other end.

That's pretty crazy ass talk for a Dame.....

I'm pretty sure hospitals always offer "morning after pills" after a rape victim comes in. I can't think of one good reason why you wouldn't take one after that happens. If someone gets raped and they don't go to the hospital then they are just dumb.

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Originally posted by Demoted Eh, I'll agree with you on the initial argument against Theresa on the fact that not all parents who put their kids up for adoption are despicable. Other than that I don't necessarily agree with you since I'm pro-choice and you seem to be pro-life. But with this comes a lengthy debate of which you already stated the base disagreement which cannot be altered even through debate: our fundamental difference of opinion on what constitutes life. And since I just recently made an abortion thread, I'd say we not delve too far into that Also, I wouldn't tell the kid for a while that it was adopted, but I think it's genuine courtesy to eventually let them know once they're old enough to handle it.

actually no. i'm pro-choice, as in i believe the mother has the right to CHOSE what is best for her

i think my problem arises when people pretend to say the are doing this for the best for the future of this child. no, you're not. you are doing it for yourself, and really thats fine. i'm not exactly sure where i'd say life begins. earlier then most, but i don't think i believe it to be instantaneous. its too tough of a question, with good answers along the whole 9 months. regardless if the mother is killing a "lump of cells" or a baby, she is still taking away a possible life. i'd rather the choice to be born and decide if i wanted this life, then have someone else choose for me

so fine. abort. but understand you are doing it for YOUR own benefit. and you're entitled to. thats perfectly a-ok. but don't be all high-horse and play it off like, oooh i'm doing him a favour. he is GUARANTEED to hate his life and wish he was never born. you don't know that. he could love his life

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