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Originally posted by Lilith Current US army and I doubt very many others make very good policemen, they're there to drop bombs, kill everything living and leave nothing unbroken in their path. They do that well, if they where allowed and they arent allowed to do that. There is also a great deal of current insensitivity from the US when it decides to do a police action rather than wage a proper war

I agree, countries can't be policed by other countries, it has to be done internally. The US army is currently not allowed to kill everything and leave nothing unbroken, the army is NOT a police force, American politicians seem to use them as if they are.

I think the US has forgotten or unwilling to wage a true "Roman style" war, where every single living thing is killed, the well water is poisoned and you never have to fight that enemy again...ever. War should still be the absolutley last and final option.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer Thanks for your contribution to this thread,we were all just dying to see what comes out of that filthy American(oops did I say that out loud?? ) mouth of yours.

I'm more Canadian than you'll EVER be...

And being Canadian doesn't mean being anti-American btw...

The amount of anti-American paranoia is incredible around here that's all, but then, crazy people don't know they're crazy either...

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r The amount of anti-American paranoia is incredible around here

I agree, people seem to have a very hard time drawing a line between "American people" and "American policy".

I beg everyone not to "take the easy road" and lump us all together as these fat, lazy, greedy, American Idol watching, consumers of all natural resources. Most of us are nice, caring, friendly people who could give a flying-rat-fart-in-space about anything that happens outside of our own neighborhood. There is, unfortunatley in America, a "power" class that enjoys projecting their influence, around the world, to meet their own selfish ends....a shame really.

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Originally posted by zookeeper There is, unfortunatley in America, a "power" class that enjoys projecting their influence, around the world, to meet their own selfish ends....a shame really.

thats right...and if i ever meet Hillary Clinton i'm gonna kick her square in the nuts.

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Originally posted by Q5echo thats right...and if i ever meet Hillary Clinton i'm gonna kick her square in the nuts.

If you do it hard enough, you will be able to kick Sen. Chuck Schumer(D-NY) in the face, because his nose is only a few inches away.

You don't have her as a Senator, if she gets in the White House, the country will look like the state of New York, with 210,000 people leaving per year. Americans will be crossing Lake Ontario, into Canada, in homemade rafts like boat people.

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r I'm more Canadian than you'll EVER be... And being Canadian doesn't mean being anti-American btw... The amount of anti-American paranoia is incredible around here that's all, but then, crazy people don't know they're crazy either...

i thought you were american

haha is WW3 has begun here

I wholeheartedly believe that an atomic bomb on Teheran will solve all Middle East problems within a nano-sec.

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Originally posted by TranceGiant I wholeheartedly believe that an atomic bomb on Teheran will solve all Middle East problems within a nano-sec.

its vey easy to launch HB but according to ur words
Russia will still support Iran & start bombing US bases in Minor Asia
China the same thing
And may b N.Korea
And of course Al-Qaeda will start their most stratigies

I guess civilized discussions have gone right out the window, OK if this is how everyone wants to play it, I hate to be dragged into this but...

We'll play the nuke game:

I say nuke Mecca, that would unify all of the Muslims, they would then form one large army to combat the west, get them all in one place and nuke'em all, end of conflict.

If the Kabba is truly a divine structure it should survive a direct nuclear hit, right? I guess we would know after.


Next idea?........

Gates won't stop talking about Iran... It's retarded.

Maybe this is why Rumsfeld "Resigned", he really wasn't talking about Iran at all during Iraq's fuck-ups. Now he's gone, gates is running his mouth.

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Originally posted by TranceGiant I wholeheartedly believe that an atomic bomb on Teheran will solve all Middle East problems within a nano-sec.

I think if we nuke the hell out of Washington the world will be a better place after.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer I think if we nuke the hell out of Washington the world will be a better place after.

Sounds like a good idea for Iran, oh yeah that's right they can't get a nuke to work, even Kim got one to work.

SOooo.. what's the hold up, oh that's right Muslims have to pray about every half an hour, throw rocks at a stone pillar and beat their woman to death.

Tell me, how does an area go from the "Cradle of Civilization" to the Earth's largest septic tank, in only a few thousand years. Careful that you don't light yourself on fire when you burn that American flag....WOoofFF!!! AaaaaahHH!! ALLAH!!

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Originally posted by zookeeper Sounds like a good idea for Iran, oh yeah that's right they can't get a nuke to work, even Kim got one to work. SOooo.. what's the hold up, oh that's right Muslims have to pray about every half an hour, throw rocks at a stone pillar and beat their woman to death. Tell me, how does an area go from the "Cradle of Civilization" to the Earth's largest septic tank, in only a few thousand years. Careful that you don't light yourself on fire when you burn that American flag....WOoofFF!!! AaaaaahHH!! ALLAH!!

Its only the last 26 years that Iran has gone downhill becuase of those mullahs.. It was a very prosperous nation.

In fact, Iran probably has more power in the region now than the US.

Except if you count their other state Israel into the mix.

Iran has more history than your hamburger culture ever will. You need to get educated.

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Originally posted by TranceGiant I wholeheartedly believe that an atomic bomb on Teheran will solve all Middle East problems within a nano-sec.

What about Tel Aviv.. or Jerusalem?

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Originally posted by Cyrus King What about Tel Aviv.. or Jerusalem?

nope. the Temple Mt. is there.

remember, the evil Jews gave it to the peace-loving Arabs in 1967 as a offer of goodwill.

blow that place up and OOOOHHH SNAAAAAAPPP!!!!!!!!

EDIT> Al-Aqusa Mosque @ the Temple Mt.

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Originally posted by Cyrus King In fact, Iran probably has more power in the region now than the US.

that would make sense, since, oh I duno, Iran is actually in the region

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Originally posted by Cyrus King Iran has more history than your hamburger culture ever will. You need to get educated.

The US was founded in 1776, any country existing before that has more "history." You're not educating us here Cyrus.

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You other morons,

What is with the nuke talk? Dropping a nuke on Mecca, Jerusalem, Washington?? You want millions of innocent people to die?

The US needs to withdraw from the middle east, but that won't fix the Israeli conflict.

I have no idea what will. Israel is not going anywhere, Palestinians won't settle for half of Israel, the situation is fucked.

Now stop bickering about the best place to drop the global death you stupid children.

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Originally posted by Cyrus King Its only the last 26 years that Iran has gone downhill becuase of those mullahs.. It was a very prosperous nation.

The key word in that statement: WAS

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In fact, Iran probably has more power in the region now than the US.

Good for them, look at their neighbors, it's not that hard to have power over them. If the United States were really as bad as everyone thinks we are, we would just take the oil and say thanks.

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Except if you count their other state Israel into the mix.

Ugh...what a tired arguement...pass

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Iran has more history than your hamburger culture ever will. You need to get educated.

Feel free to educate me on the history of Iran, and hamburgers were developed in Germany.

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Originally posted by Dopey You want millions of innocent people to die?

I don't think that there are any "innocent" people any more, we all have allowed the world to reach the place it is now, and I believe that ALL of us will have to choose a side in the near future.

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you stupid children.

yep' that's us...time for spankings all 'round!

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Originally posted by zookeeper I believe that ALL of us will have to choose a side in the near future.

why don't you think that a there is a side that chooses love and forgiveness? is it because you cannot conceive these principles yourself?

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Originally posted by Dopey you cannot conceive these principles yourself?

Oh I certainly can conceive the principles (I know all the words to John Lennons' "Imagine") but I am old enough to be a realist, I've lived through enough to see that we really can't "all just get along", and we seem to be just prolonging a start to WWIII, with empty diplomatic discourse.


I say bring it on, and get it over with, and the sooner we will have a true lasting peace.

Fox and CNN are saying Al-sadr is in Iran. Let the games begin!

No articles yet, because it's "breaking news"

Let the empty rhetoric begin...Zzzzzz..

What We Wanted to Tell You About Iran

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What We Wanted to Tell You About Iran By Flynt Leverett, New America Foundation with Hillary Mann The New York Times | December 22, 2006 Here is the redacted version of a draft Op-Ed article we wrote for The Times, as blacked out by the Central Intelligence Agency's Publication Review Board after the White House intervened in the normal prepublication review process and demanded substantial deletions. Agency officials told us that they had concluded on their own that the original draft included no classified material, but that they had to bow to the White House. Indeed, the deleted portions of the original draft reveal no classified material. These passages go into aspects of American-Iranian relations during the Bush administration's first term that have been publicly discussed by Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice; former Secretary of State Colin Powell; former Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage; a former State Department policy planning director, Richard Haass; and a former special envoy to Afghanistan, James Dobbins. These aspects have been extensively reported in the news media, and one of us, Mr. Leverett, has written about them in The Times and other publications with the explicit permission of the review board. We provided the following citations to the board to demonstrate that all of the material the White House objected to is already in the public domain. Unfortunately, to make sense of much of our Op-Ed article, readers will have to read the citations for themselves. (See links below.) The decisions of the C.I.A. and the White House took us by surprise. Since leaving government service three and a half years ago, Mr. Leverett has put more than 20 articles through the C.I.A.'s prepublication review process and the Publication Review Board has never changed a word or asked the White House for permission to clear these articles. What's more, we have spent a collective 20 years serving our country as career civil servants in national security, for both Republican and Democratic administrations. We know firsthand the importance of protecting sensitive information. But we also know the importance of shared knowledge. In the entrance to the C.I.A.'s headquarters the words of the Gospel of John are inscribed, "And ye shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free." National security must be above politics. In a democracy, transparency in government has to be honored and protected. To classify information for reasons other than the safety and security of the United States and its interests is a violation of these principles. It is for this reason that we will continue to press for the release of the article without the material deleted. Flynt Leverett is a former senior director for Middle East affairs at the National Security Council and a senior fellow at the New America Foundation. Hillary Mann, a former Foreign Service officer, participated in the United States discussions with Iran from 2001 to 2003.

What We Wanted to Tell You About Iran


And today Condoleezza Rice is denying the fact that Iran's offered to start negotiations back into 2003. Is it a part of a new White House policy to make Iran look very evil to have a reason to attack them?

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Originally posted by star-traveler What We Wanted to Tell You About Iran And today Condoleezza Rice is denying the fact that Iran's offered to start negotiations back into 2003. Is it a part of a new White House policy to make Iran look very evil to have a reason to attack them?

This Bush Admin is made up of liars..... this is nothing new to the average intelligent American.

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