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Originally posted by Trance Android Hang on aren't we supposed to use tracks from "The List" & nothing else? I thought that was the whole idea? Originally posted by lawrenceq yeh I think he's talking about the tracklist that the judges come up with for us to use, whatever they find must be purchaseable off beatport or whatever. either way that looks lie a fairly solid foundation for judging, Im happy with it, unless anyone has further suggestions?? Originally posted by EvilTree I meant the tracks from 'the List' must be easy to purchase (or acquire)

Sorry, very long stressful day yesterday!

Had a thought last night, if The List has 10 tracks & our mixes will be say 5 tracks long then it's possible that some mixes will use 5 different tracks to everyone else which goes against what we're trying to do. Would it be better to reduce The List to 8 tracks? That way we'll be forced to use at least some of the same tracks. Maybe even go one step further & just choose 5 tracks for The List?

Just a thought, feel free to shoot me down

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Originally posted by Trance Android Sorry, very long stressful day yesterday! Had a thought last night, if The List has 10 tracks & our mixes will be say 5 tracks long then it's possible that some mixes will use 5 different tracks to everyone else which goes against what we're trying to do. Would it be better to reduce The List to 8 tracks? That way we'll be forced to use at least some of the same tracks. Maybe even go one step further & just choose 5 tracks for The List? Just a thought, feel free to shoot me down

I think 10 tracks is ok.There is little chance that two of us will mix 5 different tracks and with 10 tracks we can see how each one of us pics the tracks in order to make the best mix.
5 tracks is not a bad idea but i think the judges will be bored after listening the same tracks.

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Originally posted by sanduad I think 10 tracks is ok.There is little chance that two of us will mix 5 different tracks and with 10 tracks we can see how each one of us pics the tracks in order to make the best mix. 5 tracks is not a bad idea but i think the judges will be bored after listening the same tracks.

Keep in mind that pending on what genre gets picked, the length of the tunes will be different so there might be more than 10 from The List.

We want to have some creativity, not too much.

(Will the 3rd judge please stand up?)

We need someone to start naming tracks.

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Originally posted by ZeJayMan We need someone to start naming tracks.

perhaps we should first determine the BPM range in which these mixes would be made. I think 135ish would be perfect

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Originally posted by Import If were looking for judges id be down for that, im only just getting tables now so i dont think id make a set worth anyones time :P but i spend 8hours a day at work listening to sets, so im sure i could find the time to judge em even if its a few a day.

No offense, but if you've never even mixed before, I have a hard time believing you'd be able to do a good enough job judging the work of other people who've been at this for a while.


As for tracks, just cool down for the moment.

We need a genre first. Tomorrow, we'll cut off the "votes" for genres, and source (TA vs. non), and THEN we can start naming tracks. The whole point of this is to figure those two things out. Everything else comes later.

I will judge.

I vote:

Trance

Non-TA tracks

I think Ableton is definately fair game; however, equipment used should be considered to judge creativity.

So for example if someone pulls some crazy moves on a crappy 2 channel mixer compared to a guy who whips out the standard preset for beat repeat, we should award more points to the more basic user.

Considerations:

Tables, Laptop, or Cds?
Mixer?

40% Technical Ability -

Are the beats matched?
Phrasing?
Gain levels?
EQ?
Able to keep a prolonged beat matched up properly?
Are the rhythmic effects on beat?

40% Creativity -

FX?
Cutting?
Scratching?
Tricks?
Sampling?
Mash ups?

20% Set Structure, Energy, and Overall Impression -

Did the DJ cut out too early of a song?
Too late?
Did the DJ peak too early?
Overall Impression?


Overall Score out of 100

Ok. There seems to be people with different ideas about what this contest is suppose to be about.

My view is that there is 3 judges deciding on genre and tracks (10 or so) and contestants make a 30 min mix using the tracks listed by the judges. (going for max creativity from the contestants given to work with controlled input)

Other seems to think that the contestants should have input on what genre and tracks to pick.

So, which one is it going to be?

As for judging criteria, I don't care how the judges come up with a score as long as they can explain their criteria for marking and all judges use the same criteria

Yay for Beatflux for volunteering.

As for Import's qualification as a judge, in a way, his inexperience as a DJ may give more... interesting insight to what he sees in a mix as DJs know what to look for and what they consider good, but someone just listens to a lot of sets may have a different, and perhaps refreshing outlook on a set. (Plus it doesn't take much to note a trainwreck or a serious mistake)

I like what you guys are coming up with, lets set down a genre or couple of genres to mix around with for the first set. Or at least lets hear from those who want to judge this, what genres do you guys want to hear? How many tracks do you fancy hearing in a 30 minute mix? I think the comment about how one dj's (using ableton, or a two channel mixer etc) is VERY important because it delievers obvious handicaps. Anybody else got thoughts?

I'd like to see a limit of 30 minutes for a mix and have a pool of just 10 tracks. That way, everyone participating is on an even ground in terms of material. Not only that, but it will force contestants to be more creative in their mix because they won't be able to heavily rely on track selection.

I think trance would be a good way to start off the first competition and if it works out well, it can be expanded to include other EDM genres .

i'm cool with that

Idea for tracklist...

For the tracklist - if we took the top ten from beatport it would eliminate the process of picking out tracks plus everyone would be listening to fresh tracks.

i might be down for this

sounds good

Just throwing a few tracks out there.

Djuma Soundsystem � Les Djinns (Trentemoller Remix)
Lindstrom � I feel Space (Tomba Spezial Space)
Nic Fanciulli � Lucky Heather
Booka Shade � In White Rooms (Mexico Mix)
SnV � Guttersnipe (Chris Lake Remix)
Phonique � Gaga (Tim Paris Remix)
Tiefschwarz � Damage feat. Tracy Thorn (M.A.N.D.Y. Remix)
Jordan Daniel � Porcelain
Paolo Mojo � 1983 (Eric Prydz Remix)
Booka Shade � Mandarine Girl
Kris Menace - Jupiter
Will Saul � Mbira
DJT, Booka Shade � Queen Lucid
Kerri Chandler � Return 2 Acid
Tim Paris, Catchy Jose � Ambition Buddy
Alex Smoke - Neds (Vakant)
John Tejada, Arian Leviste - From Empty Words
Buick Project � Pig Play (Remix 1)
Booka Shade � Night Falls
Yoshimoto � Du What U Du (Trentemoller Mix)

Marc Romboy Vs. Stephan Bodzin - Atlas

Umek - Carbon Occasions

Volta - Robot Need Oil (Oliver Giacomotto Remix)


A few more.

Well, after sorting through the posts, more people want trance than anything else. Take that as you will, but that's what it is for this time around. Now start nominating tracks.

Well I'm not judging a trance mix contest. I know that for sure. If anyone wants to do some sort of house/techno type of thing let me know.

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Originally posted by Zild Well I'm not judging a trance mix contest. I know that for sure. If anyone wants to do some sort of house/techno type of thing let me know.

Next time.

I won't be participating, but I'm still willing to sort out the logistical stuff.

what bout if we had it so you could use any rmx/mash up of the 10 selected tracks? would be intresting to c how that turned out

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Originally posted by chris harrington what bout if we had it so you could use any rmx/mash up of the 10 selected tracks? would be intresting to c how that turned out

I like it.

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Originally posted by inconspicuous I like it.

that way it would still be all similar stuff but we would get to show a bit more creativity and style and the judge's would be a bit less bored when listening to all the mixes

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Originally posted by chris harrington that way it would still be all similar stuff but we would get to show a bit more creativity and style and the judge's would be a bit less bored when listening to all the mixes

indeed. Also leaves it more wide open for people who want more tracks to deal with.

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Originally posted by chris harrington that way it would still be all similar stuff but we would get to show a bit more creativity and style and the judge's would be a bit less bored when listening to all the mixes

That's a good idea. No mash ups unless they are available to everyone. Same for the remixes.

You could always make your own...

Also not interested in doing a trance contest.

I like trance, but not for this sort of contests

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