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Originally posted by *~LiSa-LoO~* I agree. What annoys me is when others push their religion on others. You can educate them about your religion...but allow each other to form their own opinions. People not believing in your God is not going to effect whether you believe or not.

What you're failing to see, however, is that for many religions one of the chief tenents of faith is evangalism. This is especially true in the Chritian faiths as all of them contain a mission of apostalism. Granted some are more subtle then others... Anababtists (read: mennonites, amish, etc) believe that their lives should be lived as examples of Jesus' teachings and they therefore lead by example, Roman Catholics generally believe that doing good works in the name of Christ fullfills their apostolic mission, most of the Evangelical churchs believe that they must win people to Christ through educating them of Christ's teachings. Unfortunately, there are many that get a little too zeallous in trying to spread "the good news."

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard What you're failing to see, however, is that for many religions one of the chief tenents of faith is evangalism. This is especially true in the Chritian faiths as all of them contain a mission of apostalism. Granted some are more subtle then others... Anababtists (read: mennonites, amish, etc) believe that their lives should be lived as examples of Jesus' teachings and they therefore lead by example, Roman Catholics generally believe that doing good works in the name of Christ fullfills their apostolic mission, most of the Evangelical churchs believe that they must win people to Christ through educating them of Christ's teachings. Unfortunately, there are many that get a little too zeallous in trying to spread "the good news."

ahhhhhhhhhh i see.... sweet, thanks for the explanation

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Originally posted by thesauce23 very well. but its hard to understand how One can create the universe and beyond but not be able to know the outcome/actions of one species.

*priestly answer* - Ah yes, but God is beyond human understanding thus all things concerning God are difficult to understand.

*average joe who has just read way to much theology answer* - the difficulty only comes in how one understands "creating." Did god create every single individual thing or did he/it/them simply lay the groundwork for life to develope independent of further intervention. If the former then yes, it's difficult to understand how God could not have foreknowledge of everything. If the latter then it makes sense God would not know exactly how all would unfold.

My personal believe on the subject is as follows: if there is a god(s) (I am not arrogant enough to think that what I believe is absolutely correct) then it is likely he/it/they created the universe or more correctly the singularity that became the universe with all the intricacies necessary for life to evolve in unpredictable ways (as it has). I further believe that all the major religions really worship the same entity who handed down the same message tailored to fit the culture to which he/it revealed his/itself. All religious differences are stylistic rather then substantive.

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Originally posted by thesauce23 very well. but its hard to understand how One can create the universe and beyond but not be able to know the outcome/actions of one species.

Well, that depends on whether you think in terms of God is bound by linear time, or he is non linear and exists out of time.

Even if God is bound by time, the question is whether he is omnipotent (ie he can do anything) or omniscient(he knows all possible outcomes)

God talk gives me headache

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard Did god create every single individual thing or did he/it/them simply lay the groundwork for life to develope independent of further intervention.

The bottom line here is we are just someone's sneeze in a celestial petri dish.

For God's sake, Lisa Simpson created Lutherans in the course of a 3rd grade science project.

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Originally posted by Dr. DAS The bottom line here is we are just someone's sneeze in a celestial petri dish.

And that bothers you?

Personally, if I turn out to be some god's experiment or accident, well... Nothing I can really do about it.

This has always been uber-simple to me.

Live your life as well as you can by bringing as much happiness to people and minimal pain. Be the person you want to be and treat others how you would like to be treated.

If there ever is a day of reckoning, I know I will pass with flying colours.

That's all from me. (no, I don't believe)

how can you be into this trance and all kinds of 'electronica' and not believe in God...and what does God have to do with organized religion and church...don't let religion clous your outlook on the so called existence of god.

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Originally posted by wonitz how can you be into this trance and all kinds of 'electronica' and not believe in God...

Do explain this one.

marco v comes to mind

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Originally posted by Mortyman I can't believe how many people here are going to hell!

Well as far as I am concerned, hell doesn't exist, so I'm not going there !

Lord of the Rings, The Bible = same shit.

It is not possible to be an Atheist.

Even the smartest men in the world believe there is a possibility that a greater being exists
Things are too perfect for it to have happened by chance, however great that chance was.

- We use less than 15% of our brain
- we don't even know our own earth and are constantly learning more about it everyday
- we are just specs in this magnificent place we call our Universe ..maybe even a Multiverse

To say with absolute certainty that GOD doesn't exist makes you the all knowing..the smartest being to ever exist.

Just because you don't know Jason Marval, doesn't mean he doesn't exist.
1) You've never met him
2) You're not looking to meet him
3) You just don't care

This is an example of a hypothetical person (being) who might exist in this world...on this earth, and that's that we're just a mere 6 billion people.

For someone to say that he doesn't exist, is not only arrogant, but means you've met and know all people on this earth and can therefore say that he doesn't exist.

Are you even able to rule out that other life forms don't exist in our universe?

Now with that being said, can you really say that GOD doesn't exist with all certainty?

The answer is YOU DON't KNOW. Admitting that, leaves room for possibility and therefore ruling out Atheism.


I'm not religious by any means, but it doesn't mean I don't believe in GOD, a god or some higher being.
Religion and believing in GOD are 2 different things.

Being human, we need things to have explanations, and be logical so that our brain's can make sense of it.
Believing and knowing GOD has nothing to do with the brain.... think with your heart.

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Originally posted by Stilez - We use less than 15% of our brain

rofl I stopped reading there...
I love how people pass on myths as facts.

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Originally posted by evil_cookie rofl I stopped reading there... I love how people pass on myths as facts.

that may not be accurate % wise. But it IS FACT that no human uses his brain to full capacity, whatever the % is.

Perfect example of the brain's need to have something Make Sense.

The goal wasn't to give you a precise figure, but to give you an example.

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Originally posted by Stilez But it IS FACT that no human uses his brain to full capacity, whatever the % is.

LOL...

dude where are you pulling these facts from?
this was a myth that was started in the early 80's by a couple of authors (look it up) the only fact remains, we use a 100% of our brain, period.

if you had any understanding of the human brain, and how it functions, you'd know it's impossible to suggest what you're saying.

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Originally posted by EvilTree Cult as in how? You're going to have to define cult

No he doesn't. Cult in it's purest form. Look it up if you need to.

>>>Cult Link<<<

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Originally posted by EvilTree Ok. Then how would you define religion?

Cult

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Originally posted by evil_cookie LOL... dude where are you pulling these facts from? this was a myth that was started in the early 80's by a couple of authors (look it up) the only fact remains, we use a 100% of our brain, period. if you had any understanding of the human brain, and how it functions, you'd know it's impossible to suggest what you're saying.

To be honest, I don't know shit about the brain.
I'm not a brain surgeon or neurologist nor have I claimed to be. Never studied it and probably never will.
Thought I would use it to prove a point (to be honest, I thought it was true. Never researched that)... but if it OFFENDS you so much would it be better that I use a different example? Something PROVEN?

Meh, a tactic commonly used by individuals in these types of discussions to 'write off' stuff.
One thing is wrong...therefore all things said are wrong.

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Originally posted by Stilez It is not possible to be an Atheist.

Yes it is. It's an unfounded belief. I can believe I'm God, and it's quite possible for me to believe that.

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Originally posted by Stilez Even the smartest men in the world believe there is a possibility that a greater being exists Things are too perfect for it to have happened by chance, however great that chance was.

Dumbest people believe that a higher being exists also, that doesn't mean shit.

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Originally posted by Stilez - We use less than 15% of our brain - we don't even know our own earth and are constantly learning more about it everyday - we are just specs in this magnificent place we call our Universe ..maybe even a Multiverse

= pointless facts

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Originally posted by Stilez To say with absolute certainty that GOD doesn't exist makes you the all knowing..the smartest being to ever exist.

No one is saying it with absolute certainty. They believe it with absolute certainty. They may be wrong, but they believe they're right.

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Originally posted by Stilez Just because you don't know Jason Marval, doesn't mean he doesn't exist. 1) You've never met him 2) You're not looking to meet him 3) You just don't care

Very true, but Atheism is a belief, not a fact. No one proved atheism.

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Originally posted by Stilez Are you even able to rule out that other life forms don't exist in our universe?

What? Other beings != God. It's very possible to believe there are other lifeforms without believing God exists. God is not a lifeform.

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Originally posted by Stilez Now with that being said, can you really say that GOD doesn't exist with all certainty? The answer is YOU DON't KNOW. Admitting that, leaves room for possibility and therefore ruling out Atheism.

Hahahha, absence of evidence is not evidence of contrary. If I can't prove God doesn't exist, that doesn't prove he exists.

Basically, somewhere along the way, you started to mix up beliefs and facts.

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur

much better analysis...much of what you say also makes sense.
I guess the question was Do you BELIEVE...

nothing wrong with stimulating people's minds by offering them another point of view that they may not have otherwise thought of.

I guess my point is, if we barely know shit about ourselves or what's directly in front/around us. How can we know what's truly out there?

NO, I don't.

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Originally posted by oldschool420 No, I do not believe there is a god. I have no problem with religion at all, and I do see it's purpose. But I personaly do not need it in my life.

you fucking said it jimmy!

spot on... im really impressed to hear you view shit much the same as i do. ^5 cool man

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Originally posted by iLLnaDa I think you should have another category on this poll "I don't wish to share my views on God on a public forum" that's what i say

lol. <3 nada.

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Originally posted by spitty agnostic right now, but leaning more to atheism. however, i don't want to limit myself and completely cross off the idea. the universe is huge and so much is unexplainable, so the possibility exists. i'll wait for conclusive evidence

i didnt know u were on the "leaning to atheism" mindset... aww spiff... you just keep getting better and better to me

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Originally posted by vendetta999 as much as i believe in atheism....i also think that anytime anything REALLY bad were to happen, people will always say something along the lines of "oh god" or "please god..." or something like that.

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Originally posted by _EuG_ I think its just a figure of speech... ill use "thank god" or something simular sometimes, even tho i dont mean it literly.

^^ YES!

(though more and more i find myself "thank the universe" or "universe-willing"... they just sound cooler than "thank god" ... lol

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Originally posted by TheVrk So please dont blame God when you lash out on religions being corporations of manipulation...cause again, thats MAN Anger and resentment towards religious institutions is justified, no doubt, but not towards God imo

COMPLETELY agree with this. !!!

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Originally posted by PartEgurl 100% athtiest.

Another one! sweet

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Originally posted by Sera I prefer the idea that some form of afterlife exists, as the idea is comforting to me. That, I think was the original purpose of religion, to be a comfort in life and to reassure people that death isn't finite.

I agree taht i think alot of ppl "Need" to beleive that a god exists or that there's an after life... they need that comfort. that they wont cease existing for all time once they die..

i dont understand the need for this comfort... that i no longer will ever exist again once i die doesnt bother me at all. thats just the way it is. and ill be dead, so at the time i wont even be able to care about it.

plus, i think some ppl like the idea of god, bc they can attribute hardship in their lives to him... if you're life is complete balls, well they will take solace in the fact that its just the way god wants it to be for them... (or, i guess they could blame it on god too, and take away their own responsibility for their circumstances in life)

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Originally posted by Stilez To be honest, I don't know shit about the brain. I'm not a brain surgeon or neurologist nor have I claimed to be. Never studied it and probably never will. Thought I would use it to prove a point (to be honest, I thought it was true. Never researched that)... but if it OFFENDS you so much would it be better that I use a different example? Something PROVEN? Meh, a tactic commonly used by individuals in these types of discussions to 'write off' stuff. One thing is wrong...therefore all things said are wrong.

haha, I never said anything about the rest of your post - notice how I only quoted the part that I know to be false. In fact, I agree with some of the other points you made, they are valid and well put.

my intend was to merely point out that one of your facts, is anything but, and to save you the trouble of referring to it in the future

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