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Originally posted by Dr. DAS You can read the article here: https://www.cpsbc.ca/cps/physician_...nual/malecircum

The data here is 4+ years old! Hardly current.

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker No. You're wrong. http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news...4/en/index.html

From that article, "detailed findings of two trials undertaken in Kenya and Uganda"

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Originally posted by Dr. DAS what may be an appropriate tool to combat the spread of HIV/AIDS in the developing world with a serious problem concerning these infections, may not apply to a society such as ours.

Explain how I was wrong here. Any research more current than the article I posted concerning the benefits of circumcision from a Candadian perspective would be appreciated. I don't live in Kenya or Uganda.

Sidebar: Anyone else noticce that the Director of the WHO's HIV/AIDS department's name is De Cock?

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Originally posted by Dr. DAS Sidebar: Anyone else noticce that the Director of the WHO's HIV/AIDS department's name is De Cock?

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur AHAHAHAHAHA. Oh this is just too good.

Yes... yes its been pointed out

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Originally posted by Dr. DAS no distinct health or hygene benefits associated with circumcision.

This is not a debate of moral or ethical issues surrounding the procedure. As you stated above - the discussion is focused on the health benefits.

Medical benefits are based on current research (not ethical diatribes from 4+ years ago) and clearly show that the procedure significantly reduces the risk of transmission of HIV amongst heterosexual males.

I think any reasonable person would conclude that based on this information it is a health benefit (regardless of the location of the study).

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Originally posted by jennypie You're BOTH wrong!

That's what you et when two stubborn people argue opinion as fact...

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Originally posted by Dr. DAS That's what you et when two stubborn people argue opinion as fact...

Well I don't blame you, foreskin is a hot topic.

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Originally posted by Dr. DAS That's what you et when two stubborn people argue opinion as fact...

You get the majority of threads on TA

medical reasons here in north America are useless. If any uncut guy keeps good hygene, then nothing to worry about. What everyone would really like to know now is which kind of p3n0r would girls prefer to ride, put in their mouths or to look at.

... and this thread is better WITHOUT pics.

Hey you guys wanna see something really offensive? Just remember that I warned you:

http://www.electricretard.com/forums/index.php

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker This is not a debate moral or ethical issues surrounding the procedure. As you stated above - the discussion is focused on the health benefits. Medical benefits are based on current research (not ethical diatribes from 4+ years ago) and clearly show that the procedure significantly reduces the risk of transmission of HIV amongst heterosexual males (which I think any reasonable person would conclude is a health benefit).

"Infant male circumcision was once considered a preventive health measure and was therefore adopted extensively in Western countries. Current understanding of the benefits, risks and potential harm of this procedure, however, no longer supports this practice for prophylactic health benefit. "

^^^This sounds like more than just an ethical standpoint.

You are right however, that when I posted "no distinct health or hygene benefits associated with circumcision.", I could have phrased this much more effectively. While obviously the research you cite clearly indicates a reduction in the aquisition of HIV in males, this data does not effectively address the Canadian perspective. All of the data was assembled in the 2nd and 3rd worlds.
HIV transmission aside, I do not believe that a crew neck is any cleaner than a turtleneck as long as basic hygene is maintained.

Perhaps some insight from the ladies and the gay community: Do you notice a difference in...(flavour )the apparent hygene between circumcised and non-circumcised men?

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Originally posted by Dr. DAS Perhaps some insight from the ladies and the gay community: Do you notice a difference in...(flavour:crazythe apparent hygene between circumcised and non-circumcised men?

Yes, if he doesn't take care of it properly. Foreskin = a nice place for smegma to hang out.

This thread took a turn that I did not foresee when I was making it :/

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Originally posted by jennypie Yes, if he doesn't take care of it properly. Foreskin = a nice place for smegma to hang out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smegma

a.k.a. 'dick cheese'

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Originally posted by Dr. DAS http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smegma a.k.a. 'dick cheese'

Yeah, we all know what smegma is, thanks.

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur Yeah, we all know what smegma is, thanks.

Hey, just doing my part for public education.
I don't remember hearing about this in sex ed.

Thanks Jenny for the estro-insight. Any medical opinion on this given your course of study?

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Originally posted by Abercrombie medical reasons here in north America are useless.

The only reason one would speculate it to be "useless in North America" is because HIV/AIDS is not an epidemic here (as it is in Afrika).

Unfortunately I don't think the fact that AIDS isn't as common here means the research is invalid or not applicable.

The research still shows that a male who is circumcised is LESS LIKELY (vs. one who is uncircumcised) to contract HIV than one who isn't (infection rates aside).

You guys realize you are talking about each others cocks right? We know one of you is circumsized, the other is not and you both prefer your method of tip. We get it.

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker The only reason one would speculate it to be "useless in North America" is because HIV/AIDS is not an epidemic here (as it is in Afrika). Unfortunately I don't think the fact that AIDS isn't as common here means the research is invalid or not applicable. The research still shows that a male who is circumcised is LESS LIKELY (vs. one who is uncircumcised) to transmit HIV than one who isn't (infection rates aside).

To clarify: The evidence supports a reduction in male infection by having unprotected sex with an infected female. Circumcision has no effect on transmission.

I'm not saying the research is invalid, but I will say less applicable. Strapping on a condom is a much more effective and marginally less painful option than taking the knife to ol' Johnny.
Circumcision in Africa is being suggested to control a pandemic (which, without getting into a semantic arguement is more correct nomenclature for the state of HIV/AIDS in Africa than epidemic).

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Originally posted by Jeff Button You guys realize you are talking about each others cocks right? We know one of you is circumsized, the other is not and you both prefer your method of tip. We get it. :

No, I'm talking about MY cock. And from your emoticon, this makes you horny???

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Originally posted by MarkT This thread is useless without pics!!!

I'd expect Jay to make this comment, not you.

Hey Deems thx for making my thread re: cell number change seem brilliant!

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Originally posted by Dr. DAS Hey, just doing my part for public education. I don't remember hearing about this in sex ed. Thanks Jenny for the estro-insight. Any medical opinion on this given your course of study?

To be honest I don't know. The thing about an uncircumcised penis is, it's not idiot proof...it requires effort to keep shit right down there. And not every man is diligent in cleaning it, for whatever reason, I'm sure. Yes, you CAN get severe infections if you don't take good care of it...so my opinion on the matter is, better safe than sorry.

However, I don't think one way is more right or wrong than the other, it's just a personal choice (well..sort of, on your parents' behalf...but they gave you life, I think they have the right to make that choice if they want ).


Anyway, it's just fucking foreskin....get over it people.

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Originally posted by Dr. DAS How do you qualify that? Your preference? It has been proven that there are no distinct health or hygene benefits associated with circumcision. In fact, I remember reading somewhere that the opposite is true because foreskin acts as a natural guard against outside influences. Also, I believe that being a turtleneck makes for better sex due to the sensitivity of the head and the gliding action of the skin. This is just another medical myth, like getting your tonsils out. Does nothing.

ewww. you are uncircumcised. lol!

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Originally posted by StereoPrincess ewww. you are uncircumcised. lol!

I hate uncircumcised girls.... or at least the ones who have beef curtains.

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Originally posted by jennypie Anyway, it's just fucking foreskin....get over it people.

Yeah, but it just happens to be attached to the centre of a man's universe.

Thanks for the post though!

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