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Originally posted by Orbax Why would you ask me that? and was that Christians or catholics? Or are you being a silly head and trolling like you like to do.

You make statements like "Godless States" and that sounds like trolling to me.


And last time I checked both Christians and Catholics pretty much are the same thing in the end.

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Originally posted by Orbax There was only 1 true Christian and he died a while ago. Branding people who fall short of the ideals espoused doesnt make them the epitome of the faith.

I think the problem is more about intolerance rather than religion specifically. Religion can actually increase tolerance of differences in some cases.

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Originally posted by Orbax There was only 1 true Christian and he died a while ago.

Thanks fryer tuck

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Originally posted by Orbax There was only 1 true Christian and he died a while ago. Branding people who fall short of the ideals espoused doesnt make them the epitome of the faith.

So wouldn't any following based on his teachings, and those who claim to be Christian really in the end be an afront to Christ?

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Originally posted by unchancellor538 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positive_Christianity Google works too: http://www.google.com/search?client...=utf-8&oe=utf-8 The problem Orbax is that Religion gives people an easy means to justify anything, the good and the bad. It is also by far the easiest one to exploit because people are stupid.

I didnt ask if google worked I wanted your research links. You can simplify it in the future without the BS.

I also fail to see how religion is any more at fault than naturalism when you realize youre dead in 60 years why not take whatever you can get from everyone you can?

Its a pretty wild claim to make that if we got rid of religion everyones pupils would shrink and their lives would come into focus and everyone would just pull out the rake and start gardening.

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Originally posted by Orbax Branding people who fall short of the ideals espoused doesnt make them the epitome of the faith.

If you don't put at least 5 dollars in the collection plate your going to hell.

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Originally posted by unchancellor538 So wouldn't any following based on his teachings, and those who claim to be Christian really in the end be an afront to Christ?

uhh explain that ...I cringe to use the word..."logic"

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Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit If you don't put at least 5 dollars in the collection plate your going to hell.

Not if your bank account only has 50 bucks in it

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Originally posted by Orbax uhh explain that ...I cringe to use the word..."logic"

Because if he was the only true christian then the ones who founded the churches in his name, catholic, protestant, or otherwise would not be true christians.

Thats how I read it at least.

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Originally posted by Orbax I didnt ask if google worked I wanted your research links. You can simplify it in the future without the BS. I also fail to see how religion is any more at fault than naturalism when you realize youre dead in 60 years why not take whatever you can get from everyone you can? Its a pretty wild claim to make that if we got rid of religion everyones pupils would shrink and their lives would come into focus and everyone would just pull out the rake and start gardening.

No, but a systematic re-education of people over time would help eliminate this now un-needed hindrance.

You could achieve this in one or two generations.

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Originally posted by unchancellor538 Because if he was the only true christian then the ones who founded the churches in his name, catholic, protestant, or otherwise would not be true christians. Thats how I read it at least.

Just saying that atrocities committed in the attempt to emulate arent reflections of the object of emulation and that honest attempts at emulation (in this case Christ) would rarely end in such.

Christs first and greatest command was love God and his second was love thy neighbor. Everything else is there more for a deepening of the communion...etc..

So the point I was making was that you can try to love God and your neighbor your entire life but at one point you wont and that means you arent Christ.

Christian is a "little" Christ. means youre tryin

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Originally posted by unchancellor538 No, but a systematic re-education of people over time would help eliminate this now un-needed hindrance. You could achieve this in one or two generations.

why dont we systematically re-educate them (whatever that entails) starting now?

Religion has it's uses, specially amongst lower SES people that need comfort and a sense of security amongst all the stress and chaos in their life. I do believe that religions have outlived in many places there use and as evidence of such there is little religiosity in many places around the world. None of those places are worse off than more religious places. In so far that it is not used for negative purposes, religions serve as a structure of support for people that need it. Nothing more, nothing else. That's how I see it.

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Originally posted by Orbax why dont we systematically re-educate them (whatever that entails) starting now?

Why do you think? The US, for better or worse has the most-sway in this world and even far-left liberals in the government still go to church every Sunday.

Communism had the right ideas, they just were greedy.

Combine communisms social enviroment (aka how man should exist within his world) with capitalisms ability to be selfish and self-fullfiling and you have the begining of a wonderful new dawn.

This is just kind of the same old arguments with a dash of youthful marxist utopianism. Im just going to drop it because no new ground is being broken here.

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Originally posted by Orbax This is just kind of the same old arguments with a dash of youthful marxist utopianism. Im just going to drop it because no new ground is being broken here.

I still want you to answer my question though . I really want to know what you think the church can uniquely contribute to society.

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Originally posted by winnowingfan51 I'm with Orbax and BTG on this one, but lets not forget the real problem in the middle east. Zionist Jews. Nuke the Arabs, Persians and the assorted zionists and you take care of a whole mess of problems. It will also show the radical Christian right that low and behold, its not some holy land that blah blah blah has to happen to for Jesus to come to earth again and all that hoobajooba. Its just a shitty desert that happens to have oil.

since when does Isreal have oil?

what's the best way to fart in a pool with anyone knowing?

on a forum level the message would get diluted and nit picked by people not really interested in the message. Ill write up a short response and PM you if you are truly interested.

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Originally posted by Orbax on a forum level the message would get diluted and nit picked by people not really interested in the message. Ill write up a short response and PM you if you are truly interested.

Sure, if it's not much of a hassle. Since you're more knowledgeable than most religious people I know I want to hear what you have to say.

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Originally posted by jdat since when does Isreal have oil?

I was speaking about the middle east in general.

Israel happens to sit on the only bit of land in the area that is absolutely worthless. How fitting.

No problem at all. If nothing else it helps clarify my thoughts on the matter.

As for the moment, however, I have the flu and Im going to go pass out a-drooling.

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Originally posted by Alex He also is of the firm belief that the west should step back and let the Middle-East be the Middle-east

ok. but tell your friend to tell them that flying jets into buildings is bad, mmkay?

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Originally posted by Orbax Its a pretty ridiculous statement when you compare it to secular horrors such as Stalin and Mao and the Godless states they created...

the difference being that none of these horrors were committed "for" atheism. nobody has ever fought a conflict or subjugated a people and tried to convert them to atheism. so saying that "godless" people committed heinous crimes isnt a parallel with pointing out conflicts where religion has played a central part.

there is no reason to believe that if the mao or stalinist states were religious, that these horrors would not have occured. whereas, in reference to the original post of this thread- there is NO doubt that these people acted (and were released) due to their particular religious interpretations. i have never seen or heard of such heinous crimes being commited for atheism. why? because we dont feel some greater sense of moral authority that religion can and does imbue people with. we judge things on their merits, NOT on some archaic text written by god knows who, for purposes unknown.

COR version: pointing at the "godless" states is a misnomer when comparing religion to non belief and their respective crimes against humanity.

Re: Re: Re: Cant figure out why we hate the middle east...

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Originally posted by Orbax what would that generalization be?

Isn't it obvious?
If it isn't, then we have nothing to discuss about.
Well, there isn't anything to discuss one way or another.
You're generalising whole nation based on acts of several individuals.

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