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Posted by Perfect_Cheezit on May-12-2007 03:05:

Well, it is kind of hard to argue against the notion that regulation can slow the business process and have negative effects on small businesses especially, because corporations netting billions each year won't be affected at all really.


Posted by shaw on May-12-2007 03:06:

quote:
Originally posted by Perfect_Cheezit
Well, it is kind of hard to argue against the notion that regulation can slow the business process and have negative effects on small businesses especially, because corporations netting billions each year won't be affected at all really.


yeah, false.


Posted by Perfect_Cheezit on May-12-2007 03:07:

Are you going to actually debate with me, or just make shitty worthless comments?


Posted by shaw on May-12-2007 03:09:

quote:
Originally posted by Perfect_Cheezit
Are you going to actually debate with me, or just make shitty worthless comments?


I'm deciding.


Posted by igottaknow on May-12-2007 03:10:

here just one example of deregulation at its finest. I mean all we need is free markets and the rest will take care of itself. Corporations can be trusted not to put their interest to turn a bigger profit over the public for fairly priced services.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Califo...ctricity_crisis

"California's energy reserves were low enough that during peak hours the private industry which owned power-generating plants could effectively hold the State hostage by shutting down their plants for "maintenance" in order to manipulate supply and demand. These critical shutdowns often occurred for no other reason than to force California's electricity grid managers into a position where they would be forced to purchase electricity from other suppliers who could charge astronomical rates. Even though these rates were semi-regulated, the companies (which included Enron and Reliant Energy) controlled the supply of natural gas as well. Under regulation the price of natural gas dictated the price of electricity, so manipulation by the industry of natural gas prices resulted in higher electricity rates that could be charged under the semi-regulations."

Btw, by a stange coincidence my state of CT also deregulated its Electricity and we now pay the highest in the nation. Go free markets!


Posted by shaw on May-12-2007 03:11:

k that just convinced me. I'll leave you two alone.


Posted by Perfect_Cheezit on May-12-2007 03:11:

Heh, alright. And I get where one would argue about the falsity behind "regulation not affecting big business" because obviously it can and it does. But when I made my post I was thinking more along the lines of something like a minimum wage increase, where small businesses like a local gas station that already pay a higher wage will be forced to raise their wages to attract more workers, taking a profit hit. Minimum wage increases in massive financial corporations that turn over trillions of dollars each year will not be the ones complaining as much as local businesses.


Posted by eckmek on May-12-2007 18:15:

Yeah i guess i should have expressed myself clearer. More specifically, in our project, we consider the possibility of some kind of single-payer model in the US of today. Thaks for all the interesting input!


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