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| Originally posted by biznology well i certainly cant read and/or cover all the points made here, but... it seems that some people are confusing liking a style of music, and possibly associating with it(hip hop=baggy clothes/lingo) as just terrible...well that makes us terrible for liking trance and possibly dressing some way because of it. it also seems that people want to make a big racial issue out of this, which i wont even touch cause most of us prolly cant actually see both sides of this story. it also seems that peeps are saying: 'hip hop is that shit that all sounds the same on MTV!! it sucks!' listen to that, you are criticizing POP music for sounding the same...this is the same with trance! to every Darude/P. Diddy theres a Sasha/Mos Def. i dunno what to say beyond that. i love hip hop just as much as i love trance or rock. basically i just LOVE music, and it doesnt matter- as long as i can see how its relevant or important to the time/person/etc. shure, some music sucks - obviously. but dont judge the entire class by that one stand out kid thats stupid but does entertaining things...or just smoke some hooner and get the fuck over it, there is more important things to worry bout/ |
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| Originally posted by tranceaholic everybody is making excellent points but can somebody explain why kids are wearing baggy ass pants and speak in ebonics and try to use the F word every chance they get. i like rap alot but u dont see me sayin whats the dilly yo and f this and f that and i am 20. why kids go on talking like that ? does it make em tough ? nobody is yet to answer that question all the point we got across is hip hip is similar to trance gr8. now can someone explain why kids are so affected by it. i am ahuge trance fan but u dont see me sticking a glow stick up my ass everyday hehehe. laterz.... |
I think a major point that needs to be made is that tastes are different. Some people love Spinach, other hate it..
some people love Hip Hop other hate it.
I personally do not like Hip Hop, why? I _PERCIEVE_ it as promoting smoking up and being all 'badass'. I know that it is not an educated comment, but after getting all kinda of shitty Rap shoved in my face from Radio stations in Germany and in the US, I have decided that I do not like it. Yes, I have gone to a club before and danced to hip-hop/ rap (I cannot distinguish between teh two) but only, because I couldn't convince my friends to go to a better place. I enjoy tance much more, but i understand that people might have the same feelings about hip-hop that i have about trance.
Long story short, people like Hip Hop for the same reasons we like trance. There are hippocrites in both the trance and the hip-hop genre that are just in to be cool. The difference is that Hip-hop is much more mainstream than trance/ techno.
In Germany, hip hop is cool, because is is 'american'. Everything american is cool, hence hip hop must be great. Though most of my friends do not understand the lyrics -neither do I though I have been in the US for 5 years- but they do not care since they like the way it sounds.
Seriously, how many of us stand around and listen to trance thinking: "Wow, that is some really ncie reprise of the theme" ?!? Thought so, we 'feel' trance, other people 'feel' Hip Hop.
Last point -before the flaming can start: I do not love Trance/ techno, but i like the following as well:
Rock, Metal, Classic Rock and many other genres.. I even like some older hip-hop/ rappish stuff.. So I am not a narrow minded person -I think- but i have preferences 
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| Originally posted by infinity HiGH And as for poetry...LOL, don't even compare rap lyrics to poetry. Just cause those 'thugs to the core' come up with some cheap rhymes, it doesn't classify as poetry. Have you ever studied poetry in school? Rhyming doesn't make poetry, but the use of the words, the use of different imagery styles. Calling rap poetry is someone's cheap excuse at trying to justify it's importance (or lack thereof). |
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| Originally posted by drizzt81 Though most of my friends do not understand the lyrics -neither do I though I have been in the US for 5 years- but they do not care since they like the way it sounds. Seriously, how many of us stand around and listen to trance thinking: "Wow, that is some really ncie reprise of the theme" ?!? Thought so, we 'feel' trance, other people 'feel' Hip Hop. |
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| Originally posted by DuMonde TrAnCeR because its cheesy "cool persons" music, most peopel are wannabe blacks these days because theyre "cool" so they play all their type of music. |
Rap = Crap IMO
Alot of people that posted seem to say that these rappers live what they rap about....well maybe some do BUT the majority are FULL of shit with their lyrics....they make these outrageous videos proclaiming they fly on Leer jets and drive Ferrari's and all that jewlery..LOL...they rent ALL that crap...dont get me wrong SOME rappers can afford it but in MOST cases they are "fronting".....
And i saw 1 or 2 people say DMX is a "poet"...are you serious??/...LOl like i have said before DMX says in 1 rap "when it rains -******s get wet"...NOW if you think that type of garbage is poetry then you are giving the term poetry a bad name and the great post Frost is turning over in his grave as we speak....
back in the day rapm was good with artists like Eric B & Rakim and KRS ONE...now all these little pathetic hoodlum gangsters rap about is how much ICE they have...its a joke...they sell this garbage to the public and lead the little kids who look up to them that they live in the lap of luxury when in fact most dont....did anyone see Redman's house on MTV Cribs...it was a shit hole...and hes a big rapper..well used to be....
One thing that makes me wanna laugh so hard and point and laugh harder is when u see those suburban white kids with their pants around their ankles wearing Kobe Bryant sneakers talking like "yo yo this" and "whats up son" crap pumping rap thinking they are tough...those type ofmkids are the biggest posers known to man..they have no identity so they adopt a false one from some rapper who himself is portraing a lifestyle which in itself is not even a reality to him.....
if you ask me its a all garbage now...and o the people who say well i should listne to underground rap...well i have NO desire to...some of my friends listen to all that shit and it makes me wanna vomit..
1 rappers who is full of shit is Puff Daddy my friend Simon went to high school with Puffy at Mount Vernon High School in Mt Vernon New York and was in his same grade...he and other guys i know who went to scholl with puffy said that he was the biggest pussy and half the school picked on him ...but then Puffy goes and acts likes hes the man and that he grew up hardcore and in the ghetto..well he NEVER grew up in the ghetto..i have seen with my own eyes where he grew
up....
whatever who cares.....
Well i used to listen to hiphop, mainly commerical and lots of tupac. Now i like trance. But what sucks is that its kinda hard to tell people i like trance because tehy are like, oh you a raver? This one guy i bought turntable off of didnt know i listened to trance he said "woah, you're like hella low key" or undercover, i forgot exactly. But i was thinking, pshh thats BS. That guy is a raver and they keep telling me to take drugs and shit while listening and it would sound better.
This other 'gangsta' guy asked me why i listen to trance, most poeple listen to hip hop. Ahh just because everyone else listens to it, that doesnt mean its that good.
For poeple hating 'underground' rap saying they're doing it for the money, well you do have to think there's gotta be at least some money, but when they start becoming like Cashmoney and those fake asses, thats too far. What other job would they have if they're not in it for the money. There has to be some money inside there.
And i agree with what you guys say that people listen to hip hop because its 'cool'. If you think about it, most of them won't listen to trance because they dont want to be ruin their fake image.
...heheheheh... Outkast.
Outkast is sucky sucky.
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a question for all you guys who know their shit about rap...
Is Mr. Pookie dead?? i heard he got shot from a bunch of different people, and he is like one of my favorites (Mr. Pookie - Smoke One ROX!!).
By the way, Eminem - Marshall Mathers LP is one of the best albumns ever. (Take out Real Slim Shady and that shitty song that Dre and Snoop scrapped up, forgot the name)
He has some of the best flows ever, who the fuck cares that he's commercial. he at least made one good album. (D12 was a fucking joke)
About Nas' Stillmatic.
I love the CD... but he is SO hypocritical. (We need peace....I'MA SHOOT YOU!!!) (America shitted on me....oohh....i ice my tennis shoes.)
Good thing he made those killer tracks One Mic, Ether, and What Goes Around Comes Around.
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AND I HATE PPL who diss Eminem.
Ppl either say:
1) He's crap, his lyrics about raping his mother and killing ppl. He is a wigger and pathetic.
2) He is commercial crap
3) He tries to act black, he's a poser.
so he really can't win. the guy is pretty fucked, throughout his life he used making fun of himself and having people not like him to get attention.
that's his problem. he is an outstanding rapper. (But now he just wants money.)
I don't think ANY Rap Fan can listen to Marshall Mathers LP and say it's bad.
Eminem is an awesome freestyler... woot, that's skills. q-tip, phife, cannibus.. cool freestyles.
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| Originally posted by b0bb0 Dmx = poet Mos Def= poet outkast= poets (playa and a poet actually) I love how most of the ignorant comments come from people who prolly dont know what half the words in the song mean... |
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| Originally posted by quddha Eminem is an awesome freestyler... woot, that's skills. q-tip, phife, cannibus.. cool freestyles. |
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| Originally posted by infinity HiGH Yeah, he's pretty damn good...I had an mp3 of him freestyling a while ago... |
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| Originally posted by davinox AND I HATE PPL who diss Eminem. Ppl either say: 1) He's crap, his lyrics about raping his mother and killing ppl. He is a wigger and pathetic. 2) He is commercial crap 3) He tries to act black, he's a poser. so he really can't win. the guy is pretty fucked, throughout his life he used making fun of himself and having people not like him to get attention. that's his problem. he is an outstanding rapper. (But now he just wants money.) I don't think ANY Rap Fan can listen to Marshall Mathers LP and say it's bad. |
eminem is alright. whats that album with "hi my name is.." called? well that album was like teh begining of his commericalism. He isnt all that bad, his voice is kinda cool for rapping. But its kinda funny how that song where he just talks got popular.
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| Originally posted by infinity HiGH Why don't you post some poetry by these great poets, and we'll break them down, peice by peice, and we'll see how much meaning those lyrics have. And we'll read between the lines, we'll find what kind of rhyming scheme they use, types of imagery, what type of poem it is (are there actually different types?) and whether any of them are talking about something different, and not getting high, bangin some hoes, bustin a cap in someone's ass or how hard it is living in the 'hood for a brother. |
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| Originally posted by dvd eminem is alright. whats that album with "hi my name is.." called? well that album was like teh begining of his commericalism. He isnt all that bad, his voice is kinda cool for rapping. But its kinda funny how that song where he just talks got popular. |
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| Originally posted by SpykeChyld OK, lets! I'll start with DMX's first verse from "Prayer 3" And trust, he has many songs like this on each album! I'm callin out to you Lord, because I need your help/ See once again I'm havin difficulty savin myself behavin myself/ you told me what to do, and I do it/ But every and now and then, gets a little harder to go through it/ Losin friends, day by day I'm in so much pain when I'm here Lord, please take me away/ I put you here to do a job, and your work ain't done/ To live is to suffer, but you're still my son/ And there will be a time when you shine as bright as the stars/ But there won't be a, his or hers, just ours/ Then you'll see what I've been tryin to show you, all these years/ Do the right thing; cause after the tears, come the cheers/ I will, my Lord, with my heart, and my soul/ That's gonna be how I roll, from now until I'm old/ Lead and I'll follow, you take away the sorrow/ I'ma sleep on what you said and holla back tomorrow/ hmmm, pretty deep poetic shit right there! If you don't notice, he even changes tenses 2 times in there! He is talking from God's point of veiw in the middle of the verse. I don't see in a"Bling Bling" in that, pretty much the opisite. Now who claimed DMX wasn't a poet? I could fill a thread with his POEMS! Lets go to Mos Def now... This is called "Love". A song off their Black On Both Sides album. My reason for picking this song is that is analyzes his love for the music BEFORE all the flashy shit. My pops said he was in love when he made me/ Thought about it for a second, wasn't hard to see/ I could hear he was sincere, was a game of promotion/ The entire affair's probably charged wit emotion/ But love call your heart, I guess you got to persue/ 12-11-73 my life is testament/ Praise the beneficent, element that rest/ Devoid in the form that make love manifest/ I spent my early years in Roosevelt Project/ It was a bright valley wit some dark prospects/ In '83, Venny C was the host wit the most/ I listened to the Rap Attack and held the radio close/ I listened to the Rap Attack and held the radio close/ This is far before the days of high glamour and pose/ Aiyyo power from the street light made the place dark/ I know a few understand what I'm talkin about/ It was love for the thing that made me wanna stay out/ It was love for the thing that made me stay in the house/ Spendin time, writin rhymes/ Tryin to find words that describe the vibe/ That's inside the space/ When you close yo' eyes and screw yo' face/ Is this the pain of too much tenderness/ To make me nod my head in reverence/ Should I visit this place and remember it?/ To build landmarks here as evidence/ Night time, spirit shook my temperment/ To write rhymes that portray this sentiment/ We live the now for the promise of the infinite/ We live the now for the promise of the inifinite/ And we believe in the promise (love, love *repeated*)/ hmmmm...doesn't sound much to me like he's all for the "Bling Bling" either....hmmmm... Lets do Outkast....This is a verse from Rosa Parks, off their Aquemini album. This one is about the way he felt about a girl he knew from way back. This is a more sweet one that I threw in here for contrast to the rest, yet check how poetic Three in the morning yawnin dancin under street lights/ We chillin like a villain and a nigga feelin right/ in the middle of the ghetto on the curb, but in spite/ all of the bullshit we on our back starin at the stars above/ (aww man) Talkin bout what we gonna be when we grow up/ I said what you wanna be, she said, "Alive" (hmm)/ It made me think for a minute, then looked in her eyes/ I coulda died, time went on, I got grown/ Rhyme got strong, mind got blown, I came back home/ to find lil Sasha was gone/ Her mamma said she with a nigga that be treatin her wrong/ I kept on singin my song and hopin at a show/ that I would one day see her standin in the front row/ But two weeks later she got found in the back of a school/ With a needle in her arm, baby two months due, Sasha Thumper/ hmmmm.... If anyone wants any more I'm sure I could find the lyrics easy enough. This took me less than 3 mins to do. Not like I had tio search for these. Now then, who argues that they are poets? OK... |
Why hip hop?
Breaking it down into little bits and pieces:
cause it sucks and people suck....
Thats about it.
(not everyone sucks, just the idiots that listen to hip hop cause its what the radio stations play)
I love these threads........
It's funny how everyone's argument is 'bling bling' or 'bitches & ho's'when bashing rap. When the fact is the only hip hop you've been exposed to is through music videos. If you would actually take the time to pick up a good album and listen to it start to finish you would realize that some of these cats are amazing story tellers. Don't let your eyes subtract from what is being said.
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| Originally posted by soylent green (not everyone sucks, just the idiots that listen to hip hop cause its what the radio stations play) |
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Artist: Talib Kweli and Hi-Tek (Reflection Eternal) Album: Train of Thought Song: Too Late Yo, when the bass thump, the place jump Like it's way crunk, yeah, Fake punks get they face lumped Sent to the most high, by the most fit You gotta do, fuck that almost shit The fam is close knit You diggin', know the clock don't stop tickin' Glocks still spittin', the whole block politickin' Like presidents with they minds dead on arrival Leaving no evidence of a struggle for survival Songs relevant to the times like the psalms read in the Bible Stepping to this leaves thoughts in your head 'it's suicidal' It's the T to the A-L-I-B the deep rooter Rolling with my wanna battle cats who chief buddha And see through the overspecialized, underpressurized No lie texturized, emcees who got the masses mesmerized with empty rhetoric, they better quit Niggas so hollow that they echo like sentiments Nowadays rap artists coming half-hearted Commercial like pop, or underground like black markets Where were you the day hip-hop died? Is it too early to mourn? Is it too late to ride? (6x) Kwa is chillin', Tone is chillin' What more can I say, we stay building And make killings Take children through the wilderness, by the hand It's a great feeling, show 'em how to be a man Exactly, pack trees in my khakis My sound fat like a Neve while you thin like a Mackey C'mon, shine so bright when I walk by You got ta squint like the motherfucking sun in your eye What! Say somethin, you stay frontin It ain't nothing, let off like I'm big game hunting Me and Tek stay way blunted Wave running on beaches with white sand With a slight tan Smack the mic stand with my right hand When I'm excited Leave you so far in the dust that you forced to bite it On fire like property lost to riots Yo, ain't no stopping us when we all united Chorus |
oh...and- the most beautiful verse in hip hop:
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| Artist: Goodie Mob f/ OutKast Album: Still Standing Song: Black Ice [Verse 5: Andre Benjamin] Friends, Romans, countrymen lend me yo' eardrums It was a beautiful day off in the neighborhood Yellows and greens and blues and browns and greys and hues that ooze beneath dilapidated woods Ain't a thing could explain what pertains to cocaine it's a stain that rain See summer roll around niggaz holla bout change Then they steady move them ki's like Bob James Cause old man winter's arrived, the temperature dives November just died, December's alive Thus it ain't no typical ride Just individual's way to bring home the bacon when bacon was all gone Makin it our own, takin me all wrong We've all indulged in the bulge of those no-no's No you ain't solo, it's even lower levels you can go Take sun people, put 'em in a land of snow |
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| Originally posted by soylent green Why hip hop? Breaking it down into little bits and pieces: cause it sucks and people suck.... Thats about it. (not everyone sucks, just the idiots that listen to hip hop cause its what the radio stations play) |
I like rap because its easier to break dance to it than any other music. But i absolutely cant stand big money rap. So annoying.
First of all people need not put down music they dont understand, the same way we get pissed off when uninformed people make comments about "techno". A few points id like to make:
@"its all the same": If you mean the top 40 mtv plays than your right, but the same could be said about trance. Otherwise Have u listened to A tribe called quest beg people to stop violence, or Public enemy make very accurate(at the time) political statement? Probably not.
@Hip-hop not being an art: Whoever it was who said he wrote rhymes(cant remember the name) it absolutly right. Its not easy you cant just stary rhyming and hope to have a good song. Its very difficult, I tried I failed and so do most people. Its very skill intensive so at least respect that. About the poetry thing, it does share many similarities if you look at the lyrics to almost any rap song you can see them following the same structures as "classic" poems.
@Wiggers:does a bunch of dumbshit who listen to the music really make the music itself worse? Oh and there are plenty of non black people who can relate. I know that around midnight theres always helicopters flying around patroling gang activity, and theres not a single black gang in my area not one.
hip-hop is that urban wigger/****** music
i herd some blokes earlier blasting hip-hop or some similar noise out their 'cool' car
it was bollocks and crap, whats the point?
its just noise pollution
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