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Posted by Carey on Jun-08-2007 20:43:

quote:
Originally posted by jon jon
Of course, I had to quote it first before it was edited... I obviously respect him for defending his "boy", fuck he has him headlining parties all summer. lol


You can print it off an put it on your wall...that post is not going to get edited.

And FYI, stop making ASSumptions...Sean is headlining for me once this summer at the Next Level...PERIOD


Posted by jon jon on Jun-08-2007 20:51:

quote:
Originally posted by Carey
And FYI, stop making ASSumptions...Sean is headlining for me once this summer at the Next Level...PERIOD


I wasn't being literal, I was making note of your obvious financial reasons for defending him publically.

Bravo Carey, you've enlightened us all. Sean Miller is the KING OF MONTERAY!


Posted by SuperJimbo on Jun-08-2007 20:58:

Man, I would like to take this opportunity to apologize for starting this thread and suggesting that fat bastard stole sean's mojo. I think we may have located it.

Now can we all just get along and get back to some SERIOUS DRAMA....

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070608/D8PKR3DG1.html

I need some popcorn.


Posted by DigDeep on Jun-08-2007 21:17:

quote:
Originally posted by jon jon
I wasn't being literal, I was making note of your obvious financial reasons for defending him publically.


Worldwide bookings (Sean Miller):
The Collective Agency
Donovan Cobbins
Office: 212.431.4740
Fax: 212.431.4714
[email protected]


Posted by activate on Jun-08-2007 21:21:

quote:
Originally posted by Carey
there are many other cities out there with crowds that either have far better knowledge of music or who are far more open minded and interested in hearing new up and coming artists as opposed to the same old big names that keep on coming here...and playing the same old venues.





I'm going to assume that you didn't word that correctly, cause it reads like you're saying that clubbers in Toronto are stupid and ignorant?


Posted by jon jon on Jun-08-2007 21:23:

quote:
Originally posted by Jeff Button


haha yes thanks Jeff, I understand how the agency works (even with my limited "in the business" knowledge).

quote:
Originally posted by Carey
Sean is headlining for me once this summer at the Next Level


I was talking about this financial compensation.


Posted by DigDeep on Jun-08-2007 21:25:

LOL <3


Posted by ChemEnhanced on Jun-08-2007 21:26:

Re: Question: Where has all the love gone for Sean Miller?

quote:
Originally posted by SuperJimbo
Where has all the love gone for Sean Miller?

He is playing this Saturday at a small club in dowtown Toronto, and NOBODY is talking about it, let alone getting pumped for it (like they used to during the good ol' Boa/Sonic days). I am curious as to the reason(s) why this may be...

Theory #1: Perhaps fat bastard stole his mojo.

Others?


I don't think I ever had any love for him....heck....I don't even think I had any lust for him.

I just haven't been able to get into any of his sets when I have seen him.


Posted by Silky Johnson on Jun-08-2007 21:26:

Fuck sakes, I knew I posted that cock pic too early.


Click here!


Posted by DigDeep on Jun-08-2007 21:28:

quote:
Originally posted by jennypie
Fuck sakes, I knew I posted that cock pic too early.


Click here!


right about now, we need that animated gif of yours, with the dead horse being pounded with a mallet.


Posted by activate on Jun-08-2007 21:31:

quote:
Originally posted by Jeff Button
Worldwide bookings (Sean Miller):
The Collective Agency
Donovan Cobbins
Office: 212.431.4740
Fax: 212.431.4714
[email protected]




Booking agent and Manager are completely differnt things.


Posted by Silky Johnson on Jun-08-2007 21:32:

quote:
Originally posted by Jeff Button
right about now, we need that animated gif of yours, with the dead horse being pounded with a mallet.







Posted by DigDeep on Jun-08-2007 21:32:

quote:
Originally posted by activate
Booking agent and Manager are completely differnt things.


I'm aware.


Posted by StereoPrincess on Jun-08-2007 21:36:

quote:
Originally posted by Jeff Button
Worldwide bookings (Sean Miller):
The Collective Agency
Donovan Cobbins
Office: 212.431.4740
Fax: 212.431.4714
[email protected]



explain?


Posted by Jem_hadar on Jun-08-2007 21:36:

quote:
Originally posted by jennypie
Fuck sakes, I knew I posted that cock pic too early.



f'n brilliant. lol

was totally thinking when the drama hit that this thread needed either:

a) More Ari

or, failing that,

b) More Jenniepie.


I'm very satisfied with the pie.


Posted by English Rachel on Jun-08-2007 21:38:

I still love Sean Miller


Posted by SuperJimbo on Jun-08-2007 21:41:

quote:
Originally posted by Jem_hadar

I'm very satisfied with the pie.


I WISH she delivered some pie. And now I am scarred for life. Thanks for nothin' jenny!!! You are insane.


Posted by Silky Johnson on Jun-08-2007 21:42:

quote:
Originally posted by SuperJimbo
I WISH she delivered some pie. And now I am scarred for life. Thanks for nothin' jenny!!! You are insane.





LOL! Kissies!


Posted by rabbitjoker on Jun-08-2007 21:43:

quote:
Originally posted by activate
I'm going to assume that you didn't word that correctly, cause it reads like you're saying that clubbers in Toronto are stupid and ignorant?


I think he's just saying that different cities have different pulls as far as DJs are concerned that we are pretty ignorant sitting here in Toronto determining what the pull is in other cities (since we don't live there it is hard for us to have an idea what is popular/interesting there).

People in Toronto are not ignorant - but they do have a specific tastes and interests and it (obviously) varies from other locales worldwide.


Posted by activate on Jun-08-2007 21:53:

quote:
Originally posted by rabbitjoker

People in Toronto are not ignorant - but they do have a specific tastes and interests and it (obviously) varies from other locales worldwide.




people in toronto are defintely NOT ignorant.

I'm pretty into multiple scenes in this city and there are a lot of people here that KNOW their music. Whether it's Techno, House, Hip Hop, DnB or Electro or Electro House.


Posted by rabbitjoker on Jun-08-2007 22:06:

quote:
Originally posted by activate
people in toronto are defintely NOT ignorant.


I'm glad we agree. ^5


Posted by rabbitjoker on Jun-08-2007 22:41:

I'm going to give my honest take on this situation. I realize that there are a number of competing interests and emtions involved in this thread - but those interests/emotions aside:

History (AFAIK):

Sean Miller had a great opportunity when he was a resident at Boa. He regularly had wonderful nights with amazing music and a great crowd following. People came to see Sean - even when he was opening for larger acts.

Somewhere along the line towards the end of the Boa era and the start of the Sonic era - Sean was courted to play internationally (either opening for Lawler or otherwise). When this happened - Toronto lost a significant asset, as Sean was no longer available to play with any regularity in Toronto.

My Analysis:

When Sean was a regular resident at Boa and Sonic- he had developed a loyal, die-hard following. People would see him out week-in and week-out regardless of other bookings. Sean had broken into the scene with his more "New York" style sound (vs. more familiar Toronto sounds). His sound was refreshing for Toronto, as it offered an alternative to what most of the club scene was exposed to on a frequent basis (at the time).

Sean decided (or his management decided) to move from a regular (once per month or more) performance schedule in Toronto to an international/other performance schedule (less often in Toronto) and as a result Sean did not play in Toronto as often as the Toronto scene was accustomed to.

(IMO) Sean's opportunity to launch further into the Toronto scene was halted by his expansion into international gigs. One can understand the desire to travel and move into other territories - but this can only be done at the expense of frequent exposure in Toronto.

The unavailability (not playing in Toronto frequently) may have impacted the connection between the Toronto scene & Sean - simply due to the fact Sean no longer had the regular local presence (due to international travel) and thus was somewhat off the local radar (although not off the preference list).

Without frequent exposure, the fan base that Sean had developed in Toronto was left to find other DJs and other venues to entertain themselves (whether or not this had anything to do with the demise of Boa or Sonic I don't know), although they still remain Sean Miller fans.

My Thoughts:

Sean was a DJ people saw every week and when he was no longer available to them (frequently), they (as anybody would) found other DJs to closely follow.

Sean Miller has maintained his popularity amongst his core fan base in Toronto - however due to non-frequent appearances over the last year, the "buzz" around his name has decreased. His popularity has still remained, but simply due to the fact the "exposure effect", the "buzz" has not remained at the level it was when he played in Toronto more frequently.

That said, not being in town every week/month/quarter doesn't change people's preference or "like" for a DJ.

My Opinion:

Sean had a "golden"-era in Toronto whereby he was one of the key weekend draws. When he chose to explore internationally that era was cut short. What the results of that era could have been if he stayed remain unknown - however Sean brings his best when he does return to the city and personally I definately will go to see him as his sound was always one that I enjoyed.

Afterthoughts:

The more variability Toronto has (as to the "sound" played) - the more vibrant our community will be. I find that as I grow older and more exposed to new sounds, the more vast my interests become and the more open I become to more unique soundscapes.

I hope our city continues to bring in different, new and unique artists and further I hope our community cultivates unique DJs who choose to provide Toronto with great music and wonderful atmospheres (parties).

* edit note: reorganized for readability.


Posted by jon jon on Jun-08-2007 22:55:

quote:
Originally posted by SuperJimbo
Man, I would like to take this opportunity to apologize for starting this thread


All jokes aside, I had a feeling this thread was (unintentionally) a loaded one and that ultimately it would somehow leave a bad taste in my mouth. (hah non-jenny related of course)

I'd heard the stories and scoffed at those knee-deep in politics, but now even on a personal level feel my eyes have been opened to the realities of what lengths a promoter will go to in defending their paycheck.

<- still a fan of Sean Miller, not so much a fan of those affiliated with him anymore� sorry boys.


Posted by musicsnob_NOT on Jun-08-2007 23:05:

quote:
Originally posted by jon jon
ultimately it would somehow leave a bad taste in my mouth. (hah non-jenny related of course)


Mango...



















or so I have been told


Posted by SuperJimbo on Jun-08-2007 23:13:

quote:
Originally posted by rabbitjoker
I'm going to give my honest take on this situation.


Nice job RJ. Well articluated. A+ for effort.

Let's hope we all get the chance to hear Sean play more often in the coming months.


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