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Originally posted by DJMaytag While on the subject of making your beat matching better, here's one of the two biggest tips I got that made HUGE improvements in my beat matching skills: DON'T TOUCH THE PLATTER, SPINDLE, OR RECORD!!! Using ALL pitch fader and making minute adjustments made beatmatching sooooo much quicker and tighter it's not even funny. I can pretty much do the same thing with CD decks now (primarily use Denon S3500's) until I get within .1%, where I do use the pitch bend to make the same type of adjustments I would riding the pitch fader.

Agreed with one minor edit. When I first drop in a record, i sometimes don't cue it exactly on the beat, but i have the pitch pretty much where I want it and don't want to adjust it. So, in that case, i'll touch the platter or spindle to make that initial correction. After that, it's all about the pitch control.

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Originally posted by Ryan0751 I don't. I ride the pitch on vinyl. With my CDJ's, I ride the pitch to get really close. Small adjustments with the platter. Touching the platter with vinyl usually leads to way too big of a correction for me.

+1

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Originally posted by DjSway So do the same with any cd players?

ANY CD players? NO

SOME CD players? YES

I feel comfortable doing it on both of our Denon decks when in +/- 4 mode so that you get .02% resolution. I don't like it on the S3500 in +/- 10% mode where it's at .05% resolution, but I can do it if need be.

No way in hell do I do it on the S3000 @ +/- 10% mode where it's at .1% resolution. It's pitch bend all the way on that one, but I generally try to program things on the fly such that any track I need to go higher than +4 on I would play on the S3500.


BUT IN GENERAL:

Yes, ride that pitch as long as you can before you have to throw the track in. Riding it can get ya down to that next lowest resolution point where you can just barely tap the pitch bend to keep it matched up. If you're lucky enough (and have a fine enough resolution), if you ride it you might even get it to the point where you don't even need to touch anything on the CD deck at all!

I know this is all easier said than done, and it's taken me a couple years to perfect the technique on the Denon S3x00 series. I'm sure if I went to play on some Pioneers it'd be a whole new learning curve.

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Originally posted by RJT Bottom line: Use your ears and learn how to work mixes with some versatility, shortcuts rarely work.

not to sound like an ignorant fuck but i didn't read any more of the thread after this post and.. +1.

...and if you're going to use a shortcut like using math to figure out the bpm you might as well just look at the beat counter.

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Originally posted by nefardec who mentioned a 'sodding calculator'? the point was that after a while you just know instinctively through simple mathematic relationships how much to pitch it just like a chef knows the ratios between ingredients after making food for a while if you have to use only your ears every time then you must not have much experience deejaying, because pitching becomes second nature

in the same way you just know instinctively with your ears how to pitch it without having to look at the display.

if you have to use the pitch % display counter every time you beatmatch then you must not have much experience DJing, because pitching with your ears should become second nature.

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Originally posted by spdandpwr can i just say that making adjustments to pitch (minor pitch bending adjustments) is way easier on a turntable and the pitch fader on all cd decks is way too loose...wtf why is it like that...the technics pitch slider is perfect!!!

i think that's bullshit but that's just personal opinion.

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Originally posted by Zild Yes but it is easier to pitch bend with the jog wheel than to learn how to ride the pitch on turntables. It took me years to refine my pitch riding skills, but it only took me five minutes to learn how to use the jog wheel.

i couldn't agree more with that statement.

trying to break the habit of a lifetime, i am learning to ride the pitch as opposed to touching the platter/jog wheel on my tt's/cd players. it's something i should have already learnt but always chose the easier option! saying that, i'm picking it up fairly well but still a lot more difficult than using the other methods

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Originally posted by Omega_Blue in the same way you just know instinctively with your ears how to pitch it without having to look at the display. if you have to use the pitch % display counter every time you beatmatch then you must not have much experience DJing, because pitching with your ears should become second nature. i think that's bullshit but that's just personal opinion.

The pitch fader on CDJs is WAY too loose. Hence the extensive use of the jog wheel.

I don't see what the problem is with matching the tempo on the beat counter then using your ears to complete the beat match. Thats what I always do and I learned on and exclusively used Technics for years which don't feature a beat counter. Nothing wrong with using the tools available to you.

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Originally posted by Omega_Blue if you have to use the pitch % display counter every time you beatmatch then you must not have much experience DJing

Dumb statement, there is absolutely nothing wrong with doing this, its just a helpfull tool.

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Originally posted by Zild I don't see what the problem is with matching the tempo on the beat counter then using your ears to complete the beat match. Thats what I always do and I learned on and exclusively used Technics for years which don't feature a beat counter. Nothing wrong with using the tools available to you.

the problem is that the BPM counters are rarely accurate. I've put tracks I've produced into CD decks and seen the tempo at zero be as much as 2 BPM's off from what I KNOW it should be at.

You're better off using a % reference than a BPM counter, IMHO.

Sure they aren't accurate, and that is why you use your ears. But to say they don't help beat match faster is utter shit.

Although with house music, the CDJ-1000's BPM counter are really quite accurate.

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Originally posted by DJMaytag the problem is that the BPM counters are rarely accurate. I've put tracks I've produced into CD decks and seen the tempo at zero be as much as 2 BPM's off from what I KNOW it should be at. You're better off using a % reference than a BPM counter, IMHO.

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