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Originally posted by Sykonee As a DJ yourself, John, I'm not sure if you've seen things from a different perspective, but couldn't it also be argued that trance lost its way when the guy playing it became more important than the actual music he was playing?

You hit the nail. I would say that is the main reason why trance have declined.

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Originally posted by sleepydragon stop being picky for god sake i know psy is still trance but of course their different why do u think its called psy-trance.

"Psy" and "trance" are not "different." That's like saying, "Dogs and chihuahuas aren't the same thing!" Psy is one type of trance, like chihuahuas are one breed of dog.

And I have heard people say things like, "Oh, that's not trance, it's psy!!" As if psy weren't trance.

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Originally posted by John 00 Fleming This is going to be a longwinded response, bere with me�.

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I enjoy posting here...but a...downfall I have to watch my grammar,spelling...So I�ll try and be careful how I speak!

It's bere bear.

cheers !

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Originally posted by John 00 Fleming After spending the past few years sifting through 7 � 8 pages of new Trance releases every week in Beatport to find the odd good none generic track can get really frustrating, hence my recent outbursts! If I wind back 10 years visiting my local record shop I�d be spoiled for choice with all sub categories of Trance music, so I had the tools for my set. I�d get frustrated in a good way because I had too much music and couldn�t fit them all into my set, but today we don�t have enough new music and have to make tracks last a few months. This also becomes more apparent when I play the occasional Classic set, I�m spoiled for choice when I sift through some fantastic tacks with huge Wow factor from the mid 90�s. It will be interesting to see what DJ�s will play in 10 years time at a classics night from mid 2000, with they have the same feeling?

Well you can't have it both ways..
You have been a great champion of the digital format and downloads.
With that has come the generic 'music by numbers' sound, in all genres and sub genres- it is a large cause of that IMHO.
By that I mean, it is now so easy for any twat to knock up some crap, due to the easy availability of software (both legal and illegal), and then get it onto beatport or wherever, that noone puts anywhere as near as much into it anymore.
No one has to put some cash into it to press up 500 whites- they are just throwaway things knocked up on a crack copy of cubase, that cost nothing to distribute to people via these download sites. Therefore, the passion is not there as there is no risk.
Hence, you have a situation with ten times as much shite to sift through, all of which are trying to sound like the last big hit in that genre.


In ten years time, not as many people will have classics to play from the present, as a) the majority is shit, and b) their hard drives with their $1.50 worth of mp3 data will have gone tits up long ago.
Its music made for instant gain, with no longevity planned for it. And it is a shame.

Not saying the digital age is entirely bad- just with it comes a downside, as you are noticing now....

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles "Psy" and "trance" are not "different." That's like saying, "Dogs and chihuahuas aren't the same thing!" Psy is one type of trance, like chihuahuas are one breed of dog. And I have heard people say things like, "Oh, that's not trance, it's psy!!" As if psy weren't trance.

Given that psytrance culture has remained relatively isolated for much of its unique history, I think it is fair to say that "psy" and "trance" are different things. Yes, psytrance is a type of trance (although I might argue with you that some "trance" just ain't trance) but at the same time, the artists and labels are clearly distinct from what we (on the psytrance side) call mainstream trance. Having been involved in the scene for more than a decade, I can agree that psytrance has become more known and integrated with EDM culture as a whole in the last few years (J00F playing a key role here), but it still remains largely segregated from everything else going on. Besides, psytrance is hardly anything like a chihuahua... a more apt analogy might focus on the genre's lupine qualities

u rocked dallas john!!!


sorry...but some of crowd was shit.....they were expecting u to play tiesto avb a&b bullcraps

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Originally posted by basilisk J00F expresses many things I agree with... it just doesn't help that the "article" (somewhere between an interview and a story) was written at a second-grade reading level. Plus: Koxbox, a relative unknown? I mean, who is writing this shit, and have they just gotten into EDM in the last two years? "The future of music... isn't music..."

Defenitly agree with you there.

I think the thing with psytrance and other trance is theres been a lot of eliteism and seperation either way. I started out listening to epic trance... but I just got bored of everything just going up and down/other generic riffs. Found out about infected mushroom... listened to them for a couple of months and got bored of listening to only them and then went back to trance. The problem is the same thing happened. I have to agree with Joof that trance has just become too Generic these days. I can go and listen to Dream Dance volume 2 but I have a hard time listening to too much else trance in a row.

So what if he's moved onto psy? Not everyone wants to be listening to the same sub genre all their life (although I'd like to argue that psy is certainly quite a bit more different then other sub genres). I'ts still trance not rock or country. I know lots of people at my school here who previously listened to house or for god sakes R'n'B.. couldn't stand trance and I've now got them listening to psy.

P.S. Thanks for making the effort to post on this board Joof. Theres some very intelligent people who post at Tranceaddicts and I think Joof makes no exception.

i don't see anything wrong with what john said. i agree the majority of producers make music for the wrong reasons. there is a huge emphasis on getting released and recognized and thrown into a professional status. producers today want to make a career of producing and so that changes the motivation.

i'm not saying there is anything wrong with wanting recognition for your work, but i think it's just a different mentality so it produces a different result.

agreed with mr flemming 100%.


trance is so shite these days.

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Originally posted by Spirit5 When I got older, it was the stuff like Solar Stone's "Seven Cities", The Quest's "C Sharp", Salt Tank's "Dimension", Aria's "Dido (Armin van Buuren's Universal Religion Remix)", BT's "Flaming June", PvD's "For An Angel", Rapid Eye's "Circa Forever", Altitude's "Altitude", The Thrillseeker's "Synaethesia", Midway's "Monkey Forest", Vimana's "We Came", Ayla's "Ayla (Taucher Remix)", Delerium's "Silence (DJ Tiesto's In Search of Sunrise Remix)", Hydra's "Affinity", Insigma's "Open Our Eyes", and your work with Hemstock & Jenning's on "Arizona" was one of my faves. and the list goes on and on. To me these are what defined trance for me. I have heard the older stuff prior to this and like it as well, but I guess they weren't what got me personally into the sound. No matter how many times I hear psy music, I just can't get into it. The prog psy stuff is nice but it's still the uplifting, melodic trance that brings back the memories and that I can count on as being listenable and not just for dancing in a club or some large event. I wasn't old enough back in the day to be traveling around to big trance events or enter clubs to really experience the sound as it was meant.

I love all of the tracks that you listed here. The track that really blew me away was G&M Project - Sunday Afternoon (Nu NRG remix). Wow what an exciting trance track. There's nothing wrong with falling into a trance with them either. However, as I grew up a little bit and explored different DJs and genres, I've found that there's a lot of 'trance' in other types of EDM as well.
Have you ever seen a Psy DJ like Wizzy Noize or Wrecked Machines? They can blow you away. I've learned that 'trance' can be mean a whole lot more when you hear it in a club or outdoors with huge speakers and a nice atmosphere. The best part about 'trance' is that you haven't even heard the best tracks yet. Sure, there are the memories, but producers and DJs are really bringing some fresh, intelligent music out there.

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Originally posted by avstar I love all of the tracks that you listed here. The track that really blew me away was G&M Project - Sunday Afternoon (Nu NRG remix). Wow what an exciting trance track. There's nothing wrong with falling into a trance with them either. However, as I grew up a little bit and explored different DJs and genres, I've found that there's a lot of 'trance' in other types of EDM as well. Have you ever seen a Psy DJ like Wizzy Noize or Wrecked Machines? They can blow you away. I've learned that 'trance' can be mean a whole lot more when you hear it in a club or outdoors with huge speakers and a nice atmosphere. The best part about 'trance' is that you haven't even heard the best tracks yet. Sure, there are the memories, but producers and DJs are really bringing some fresh, intelligent music out there.

Heh dude this entire discussion is basicly Psy vs mainstream trance :P

I now love this man!Very good interview.

meh. he didnt say anything different or refreshing. in fact, that interview sounded 'commercial'

I like j00f, but he needs to shut the hell up. Seems like a publicity stunt more than anything else.

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Originally posted by Igaryok I like j00f, but he needs to shut the hell up. Seems like a publicity stunt more than anything else.

Why exactly?

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Originally posted by genscape meh. he didnt say anything different or refreshing. in fact, that interview sounded 'commercial'

Guyvers the stuff!!!

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Originally posted by Igaryok I like j00f, but he needs to shut the hell up. Seems like a publicity stunt more than anything else.

+1

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Originally posted by Nayil +1

oh just fuck you. god forbid if any DJ is being outspoken.

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Originally posted by Igaryok I like j00f, but he needs to shut the hell up. Seems like a publicity stunt more than anything else.

talk shit about trance on this site and everyone will kiss your feet, didnt you know? But at least in this case Joof has some intressting points

jesus...everyone's a critic.

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Originally posted by Floorfiller i agree the majority of producers make music for the wrong reasons. there is a huge emphasis on getting released and recognized and thrown into a professional status. producers today want to make a career of producing and so that changes the motivation. i'm not saying there is anything wrong with wanting recognition for your work, but i think it's just a different mentality so it produces a different result.

^ Best post of the thread so far.

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Originally posted by Whirloop I would find it rather interesting to hear what other big-names has to say about the trance scene aswell!

I remember PVD agreeing with GTRs 95% statement about 1 1/2 years ago. But then again I always get the impression that Paul has mostly ignored the 5% in the last few years

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Originally posted by RebeL9 You hit the nail. I would say that is the main reason why trance have declined.

Apart from that, I think the fact that you first need to get your name known by some production in order to get DJ bookings, has played its part aswell

how many of you guys have the courage to go up to J00F and speak out your minds ?
I bet when you actually meet him, u'll ask for his autograph and take pics with him to post on myspace.

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Originally posted by Omega_M how many of you guys have the courage to go up to J00F and speak out your minds ? I bet when you actually meet him, u'll ask for his autograph and take pics with him to post on myspace.

Fuck right off with this shit.

I'm surprised no one has commented on Freak's post since it's the only one that explains the current state of anything.

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