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Posted by Halcyon+On+On on Jul-19-2007 21:29:

quote:
Originally posted by Vlad
Watched TMNT, Transformers, G.I. Joe, Thundercats, etc... I had all the action figures also. And yes, I still simulate fighting scenes with them...in the bath tub.


Fixed imo


Posted by Orbax on Jul-19-2007 21:33:

quote:
Originally posted by Sushipunk
Yes, it is conditioning. From the earliest years of a female child's life, she's seeing the media portray women as objects of desire, because of looks...or whatever it may be. In this media view, to be wanted by men is important, not really anything else.

And most industries are still male dominated, which is why you see less females in those industries. That is slowly changing, but still not that fast I guess.

On top of that, men can't bear children. If they could, there would obviously be a good number less men in 'the workforce.' Many, many, many women leave working life to be a mum. Often over and over again. There, I think, is your discrepancy between genders.

There's probably a whole lot of other things too, these were just off the top of my head.



You sound like you are a woman


Posted by nefardec on Jul-19-2007 21:38:

I am sitting in an architectural office with more women then men.

My graduating class had more female architects than men.

There are many, many female gallery owners here in nyc...

I think your idea about creativity and sex is rather ignorant.

There are plenty of quality local female deejays all around the world, just no female oakenfolds, etc. It must take a man to have that kind of ego.


all the same (no pun intended), "equal" refers only to civil rights, and men and women are most certainly different in many ways. Obviously thousands of years of culture are going to result in some sort of numerical discrepancy.

In the past women were expected to live certain lives and men to live certain other lives. There have been many great female artists in the past, but since painting was an apprentice based thing or a school based thing, it was hard for women to get into it with such a preordained life. Even now we still feel the effects of this division, though much less.

Check Out Artemisia Gentileschi

She was able to get into painting because her father was an important painter.

quote:
cause the women are all too busy cooking and cleaning?


that's not too far off from the truth if you replace "are" with "were".


Posted by cheshirepk8 on Jul-19-2007 21:38:

quote:
Originally posted by Orbax
You sound like you are a woman


Actually that's just Sociology 101. Trust me i just finished it.

Gender Roles and Conflicts. Chapter 12.


Posted by Halcyon+On+On on Jul-19-2007 21:42:

quote:
Originally posted by nefardec
Check Out Artemisia Gentileschi


I absolutely love her beheading Holofernes series. It's on the same level of macabre as Goya.


Posted by Clovis on Jul-19-2007 21:44:

quote:
Originally posted by Andryuha
Granted, I know some smart girls, but they all have various qualities that negate their intelligence. In my experience, most, if not all of them lack any sense of logic, are stubborn and posses a superiority complex.



You could replace "girls" with "men" in that sentence and it would hold true.


Posted by Lilith on Jul-19-2007 21:47:

quote:
Originally posted by Andryuha
I'm not saying that one sex is superior to the other, but you can't have similar expectations for both.

But you are when you come up with such things as-
quote:
Granted, I know some smart girls, but they all have various qualities that negate their intelligence. In my experience, most, if not all of them lack any sense of logic, are stubborn and posses a superiority complex.

These are not qualities of 'intelligence' as you claim to know, otherwise you wouldn't have used words such as negate and lack, both of which by definition are an absence of something. So, how's about you go get some examples of intelligence without qualities of intelligence and get back to us...


Posted by Clovis on Jul-19-2007 21:49:

quote:
Originally posted by Lilith
But you are when you come up with such things as-

These are not qualities of 'intelligence' as you claim to know, otherwise you wouldn't have used words such as negate and lack, both of which by definition are an absence of something. So, how's about you go get some examples of intelligence without qualities of intelligence and get back to us...



Not to mention his post reeks of superiority complex.


Posted by Lilith on Jul-19-2007 21:51:

quote:
Originally posted by Clovis
Not to mention his post reeks of superiority complex.

True, we should learn our place...
You're a man Clovis!
I condemn you to a life of picking up heavy things and putting them down again!!!


Posted by Clovis on Jul-19-2007 21:53:

quote:
Originally posted by Lilith
True, we should learn our place...
You're a man Clovis!
I condemn you to a life of picking up heavy things and putting them down again!!!



I know some strong girls who can help me with that.


Posted by Orbax on Jul-19-2007 21:55:

quote:
Originally posted by cheshirepk8
Actually that's just Sociology 101. Trust me i just finished it.

Gender Roles and Conflicts. Chapter 12.


lol i said it because I thought he was a chick for a long time


Posted by cheshirepk8 on Jul-19-2007 22:13:

quote:
Originally posted by Orbax
lol i said it because I thought he was a chick for a long time


haha


Posted by Slylee on Jul-19-2007 22:20:

quote:
Originally posted by nefardec
I am sitting in an architectural office with more women then men.

My graduating class had more female architects than men.

There are many, many female gallery owners here in nyc...

I think your idea about creativity and sex is rather ignorant.

There are plenty of quality local female deejays all around the world, just no female oakenfolds, etc. It must take a man to have that kind of ego.


all the same (no pun intended), "equal" refers only to civil rights, and men and women are most certainly different in many ways. Obviously thousands of years of culture are going to result in some sort of numerical discrepancy.

In the past women were expected to live certain lives and men to live certain other lives. There have been many great female artists in the past, but since painting was an apprentice based thing or a school based thing, it was hard for women to get into it with such a preordained life. Even now we still feel the effects of this division, though much less.

Check Out Artemisia Gentileschi

She was able to get into painting because her father was an important painter.



that's not too far off from the truth if you replace "are" with "were".


that's funny...i just recently met a very cool chick who is an architect. she's gorgeous too (colombian) and has an awesome personality. she's very comfortable in her skin and is funny and animated when she talks. i was really impressed with her and we clicked instantly.


Posted by Sushipunk on Jul-19-2007 22:21:

quote:
Originally posted by Orbax
lol i said it because I thought he was a chick for a long time


Haha, fuck. I just can't win can I?

Edit: And yeah, it is pretty basic sociology/psychology, but I have a psych degree so meh, might as well regurgitate some stuff.


Posted by Slylee on Jul-19-2007 22:29:

quote:
Originally posted by Clovis
No you weren't, you were just being you.


eh? i was a tomboy!




Posted by Andryuha on Jul-19-2007 23:11:

quote:
Originally posted by Lilith
But you are when you come up with such things as-

These are not qualities of 'intelligence' as you claim to know, otherwise you wouldn't have used words such as negate and lack, both of which by definition are an absence of something. So, how's about you go get some examples of intelligence without qualities of intelligence and get back to us...


I never said they were. To reiterate, one's intellectual level can easily be overshadowed by irrational and illogical behavior


Posted by Clovis on Jul-19-2007 23:14:

quote:
Originally posted by Andryuha
irrational and illogical behavior



Which is present in both men and women.


Posted by Andryuha on Jul-19-2007 23:19:

quote:
Originally posted by Clovis
Which is present in both men and women.


more so in women. I'm yet to see a man acting erratically for no reason. Women can freak out/bitch about the most insignificant little things.


Posted by Slylee on Jul-19-2007 23:27:

my boss is the most irrational moody mother******. omg. and he's a dude btw.

but yea, the irrational thing is more apparent in women i've noticed.

i have an emotional/irrational side to me, but as i get older, i've mellowed out a lot. i think i have a pretty good head on my shoulders for a chick


Posted by kr00t0n on Jul-19-2007 23:32:

quote:
Originally posted by beats and beeps
I don't believe or what to believe that this is like a biological thing or whatever, so I'm curious about what might cause it?


Why not?

Nature doesn't consist of shit like success and wealth, it's simply about procreation and the continuation of a species.

Being a mother is hard-coded into a woman's dna, hence the whole getting broody thing (which I am aware can apply to guys too).

It's only the current state of society that causes humans to stray from the biological norms, such as not raising a family.

It's not easy for a few generations of development to change the fundamental design of the human race which has been around for 200,000 years.


Posted by Andryuha on Jul-19-2007 23:34:

quote:
Originally posted by Slylee
my boss is the most irrational moody mother******. omg. and he's a dude btw.

.but yea, the irrational thing is more apparent in women i've noticed

i have an emotional/irrational side to me, but as i get older, i've mellowed out a lot. i think i have a pretty good head on my shoulders for a chick


Thanks you very much for acknowledging that.

It's just that I'm a bit pissed off about the current state of our society where women are encouraged to act like men and some men are starting to act like women (flamboyant homos and metrosexuals).

If I ever happen to get a GF that would ramble to me about gender equality and all that BS, I will offer her to change oil in my car, mow the lawn, shovel snow, etc. Certain tasks are meant for men or for women.


Posted by beats and beeps on Jul-19-2007 23:35:

quote:
Originally posted by nefardec


I think your idea about creativity and sex is rather ignorant.

There are plenty of quality local female deejays all around the world, just no female oakenfolds, etc. It must take a man to have that kind of ego.


yes girls dj.

Djing is a trend, we see fake female and male djs on tv.

How many girls do you know that program modular synthesizers?

I've seen one. I saw one video from 1976 of some crazy curly haired lady with a maniacal face tweaking the shit out of an analogue beast.

THAT WAS ONE FUCKING TIME.


Posted by Allied Nations on Jul-19-2007 23:36:

quote:
Originally posted by kr00t0n
Why not?

Nature doesn't consist of shit like success and wealth, it's simply about procreation and the continuation of a species.

Being a mother is hard-coded into a woman's dna, hence the whole getting broody thing (which I am aware can apply to guys too).

It's only the current state of society that causes humans to stray from the biological norms, such as not raising a family.

It's not easy for a few generations of development to change the fundamental design of the human race which has been around for 200,000 years.


holy crap

read this twice


Posted by Slylee on Jul-19-2007 23:37:

quote:
Originally posted by Andryuha
Thanks you very much for acknowledging that.

It's just that I'm a bit pissed off about the current state of our society where women are encouraged to act like men and some men are starting to act like women (flamboyant homos and metrosexuals)


ehh whatever...does it directly affect u? i wouldn't get all pissed about it.


Posted by beats and beeps on Jul-19-2007 23:37:

what is "getting broody"

I used to play STARCRAFT BROODWARS with a girl.


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