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| Originally posted by exstasie Does it really matter though? People just need to suck it up. People will always be refered to by race and colour. Until there is a complete diversification of races, then race will always be used to distinguish between people. |
Maybe it was racist maybe it wasn;t..
All I know is that this guys is fucking MILKING IT!
I am so sick and tired of all this "i am a victim..poor me" bullshit. I am sorry, but out of all the minority groups blacks use the race card the MOST! Weather its getting bad service somewhere, or not getting any service at all or whatever...its always "cuz i'm black". Maybe you were just a fucking prick or maybe the guy working was a prick and is like that to everyone.!!!!
Also, I don't remember one case where our buddy Sharpton had his panties in a bunch when some black people offended white people due to race! This guy is a fucking HYPOCRITE!
I am not denying that there is racism...THERE IS! But this stupid people that milk it or scream racism for every fucking thing are ruining it for everyone else. So when it really does happen, sometimes it is dismissed as "just another person trying to play the race card".
Thank you,...
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| Originally posted by 7-4-7 This person, whoever said it initially would never walk into Jane & Finch and call every black guy they saw "Ghetto Dude", because it is obvious what would happen. Why, because the connotations are obvious. |
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| Originally posted by 7-4-7 off the mark. a racist word, or racist connotations, is doesnt matter there is an obvious connection made between the comment and the person it was intended for. You really need to stop pretending that connection doesn't exist. |
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| Originally posted by Cro_Addict Maybe it was racist maybe it wasn;t.. All I know is that this guys is fucking MILKING IT! I am so sick and tired of all this "i am a victim..poor me" bullshit. I am sorry, but out of all the minority groups blacks use the race card the MOST! Weather its getting bad service somewhere, or not getting any service at all or whatever...its always "cuz i'm black". Maybe you were just a fucking prick or maybe the guy working was a prick and is like that to everyone.!!!! Also, I don't remember one case where our buddy Sharpton had his panties in a bunch when some black people offended white people due to race! This guy is a fucking HYPOCRITE! I am not denying that there is racism...THERE IS! But this stupid people that milk it or scream racism for every fucking thing are ruining it for everyone else. So when it really does happen, sometimes it is dismissed as "just another person trying to play the race card". Thank you,... |
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| Originally posted by Cro_Addict Yeah its obvious what would happen! THEY WOULD ALL LIVE UP TO THE NAME! So really it wouldn't be racist anymore...it would be a very true statement! |
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| Originally posted by 7-4-7 right. You've digressed dramatically. A racist comment provokes a negative response; and the blame, by your blistering logic is not on the the person spewing the racist comment. I'm sure if you call people by their derogatory names, many of them will be more than pissed; but would have gone on their merry way had they not been provoked. dude, this is too far form the point for me to carry on...the person shouldn't have made the comment, if nothing else its poor form. |
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| Originally posted by Jayx1 Ok then. Next time somebody calls me a 905er in a derogatory way, ill take it as a slight against my race. PS: wasnt this guy brown not black? That defeats your arguement right there. |
If anything..i'm a victim here!
No one can even be racist towards me cause i'm a mutt 
People try and make fun of me but they fail miserably cause no one has any clue to my background!
I try and cheer for one of my backgrounds in soccer, and they all boo me cause i'm not a 100%, but only like 50% or 25% of that nationality...
I have no identity
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| Originally posted by 7-4-7 if he were white it would defeat my argument. as for being a 905er, explain to me the negative connotation in the statement first then we can figure out what the 'slight' is. |
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| Originally posted by jennypie Yeah well racist comment or not, dude (lol) didn't have to act like a nigger about and cry victim. Yeah I fucking said it. |
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| Originally posted by 7-4-7 if he were white it would defeat my argument. as for being a 905er, explain to me the negative connotation in the statement first then we can figure out what the 'slight' is. |
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| Originally posted by Jayx1 For the record, i know of a lot of white guys that id probably call ghetto dude. |
pray you have a unique name .. cuz Aileen Siu is apparently now racist
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Facebook user caught in 'ghetto dude' backlash
July 27, 2007
Nicholas Keung
STAFF REPORTER
What's in a name, especially a tarnished name?
While the Internet has miraculously reconnected lost friends and family, it can also create the kind of nightmare in which you are misidentified, branded a racist and have your photograph circulated all over the virtual world.
Ask Toronto's Aileen Siu.
Not the Ontario cabinet staffer who fell into disrepute after using the term "ghetto dude" in an email � and mistakenly sending it to the young black job applicant to whom she was referring.
This Aileen Siu is a graduate in tourism and business at Ryerson University and works for a private company. She isn't remotely related to the other Aileen, who left her job at Queen's Park on Monday (whether by firing or resignation isn't clear).
But all this week she's been frantically trying to get bloggers and website hosts to repair her reputation and take her Facebook photo off their sites.
"I do not work in the cabinet and just because I have the same name as the person in the newspaper, that doesn't mean it's me," said Siu, 25. "I do not appreciate my name being tarnished because of some other person's mistake.
"There are many people with the exact name and it wouldn't be right to target everyone with that name."
Siu said she didn't give it much thought when she heard about the other Aileen and her email to applicant Evon Reid in last weekend's Toronto Star. "We just happened to have the same name," she mused then.
But by Monday, when friends and relatives began calling her family about it, she knew she was in trouble. Her Facebook account had garnered more than 30 nasty emails, and bloggers were posting a photo and personal profile lifted from it in chat rooms.
"My sister and the other Aileen are about the same age, both from Toronto," said her infuriated older sister, Wan-ling, one of three children born in Canada to immigrant parents from Hong Kong.
"People see that and think that she's the one, saying she's a racist, which is absolutely not true."
Online writers have labelled her with slurs of their own and compared her to a pet dog in her photo. "Who's the asian chick with aileen? sorry. couldn't resist," wrote one.
Friends have pitched in online to defend the innocent Aileen.
"If my friend was actually that person, I would not defend her at all," wrote one. "So please consider what I have said and remove the picture."
And at least one person who knows the cabinet Siu stood up for the Ryerson grad on a blog. "I happen to know the Aileen that everyone is talking about," wrote "Lana."
"And although I can't say I'd like to see her picture posted up here, I don't feel right allowing people to comment on the face of an innocent girl who happens to have the same name."
Siu's mother, Kathy, said police have told the family there's nothing they can do.
"My daughter is an angel," sighed the retired office administrator, who chose the name Aileen from a baby-name book. It's Irish-Gaelic and means "light-bearer."
"We gave her a joyful name and wanted her to shine. But now her halo is dimmed because of this (mistaken identity)."
Siu is a very giving person who travelled to the Dominican Republic last year with luggage full of clothes, stationery and books for needy kids, he mother said. "She is so innocent and is paying the price for someone else's mistake."
Siu quickly removed her Facebook account and has succeeded in getting some sites to delete her picture, hoping more will follow suit.
"The Internet does do wonderful things," said Wan-ling. "But it's also very dangerous. People have to be careful what they put on it.
"You don't know these people who are searching on the Internet and how they are using your information. This is a good example of what could happen."
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http://www.thestar.com/News/Ontario/article/240425
On topic...
I don't believe that "Ghetto Dude" is a racist term. I will go so far to say that it is not even a discriminatory term.
Distinguishing people based on individual merit is hardly discrimination. To be discriminated against you have to be treated differently due to a possession of a legally protected attribute (ie. sex, age, race, religion, etc..)
"Ghetto Dude" hardly falls under any of the above categories.
Also on topic...
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| Based on my resum� I deserved to be called.... |
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| Originally posted by Jayx1 Many times being called a 905er by torontonians can mean that they are simple, unsofisticated, hicks. Not always but sometimes. So, anyone being called "ghetto dude" is racist as long as hes not white? WOW. And whos being the racist here? For the record, i know of a lot of white guys that id probably call ghetto dude. |
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| Originally posted by dEsidEL pray you have a unique name .. cuz Aileen Siu is apparently now racist source: http://www.thestar.com/News/Ontario/article/240425 |
I disagree that "ghetto dude" is a racist comment (many people of all races wear the term ghetto like a badge of honour, like they are survivers of a japanese internment camp).
It is discriminatory. It's like calling someone poor and uncivilized. Whether the comment is valid or not, it is innapropriate to discriminate against someone based on their social class.
I believe it is counter-productive to reward someone for being discriminated against. Compensation is appropriate but only in more severe circumstances.
In this instance, I do not even feel that the woman meant to discriminate. She just didn't like the guy and made thoughtless flippant remark. She was careless. Now she has no job and if she doesn't find one, may end up being called 'ghetto' herself.
Meanwhile 'ghetto dude' has offers falling out of his ass and is on his way to not being 'ghetto'.
*always triple check your CCs*
While the reaction itself may have been overboard, I do find it funny that some are so easily able to rationalize away the fact that it was a derogatory comment. In the context of how it was used, you can honestly say that when you read "ghetto dude" in the paper, you did not know what the person was referring too?
Imagine if you were Italian, for example, and you got an email from a potential employer (let alone the government) that said "here's the mobster dude I was talking about". I think I would be a bit upset. If it was from a regular employer, there's not much you can do. From the government? You've now seen what can be done.
Admittedly, discusing the issue here may be not be very meaningful given that others may not really care, or are racist and derogatory (or jokingly so) themselves with such as:
"Yeah the issue here is that this dumb fuck is acting like a Jew about the whole thing"
On a different note, it does suck about that woman on facebook. People can be really ignorant and hot headed, such that they forget that its possible to have the same name as someone else, or don't even bother to make sure they have the right person before ripping them apart and making comments about their photos.
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| Originally posted by Deam While the reaction itself may have been overboard, I do find it funny that some are so easily able to rationalize away the fact that it was a derogatory comment. In the context of how it was used, you can honestly say that when you read "ghetto dude" in the paper, you did not know what the person was referring too? Imagine if you were Italian, for example, and you got an email from a potential employer (let alone the government) that said "here's the mobster dude I was talking about". I think I would be a bit upset. If it was from a regular employer, there's not much you can do. From the government? You've now seen what can be done. |
I don't understand why ppl are getting so worked up about the fact that some of us DO NOT find the phrase derogatory? stop shoving it down our throats!
That article about facebook pissed me off.... how everyone is harassing this girl because she said 'ghetto dude'
just another example where the black community is playing the race card in an attempt to gain more sympathy from canadian citizens.... they are all acting like 'aileen sue' did this terrible thing to blacks as a whole and now she has to suffer...
I dont know about you guys but I have been harassed by black people for being white, just like stupid comments like 'hey white boy bla bla bla...' but i have never done this to a black person.....
the funny thing is they can say the most brutal shit to me and if i told someone, no one would care.... but if i were to say something racial back to these guys, they could go to the media or whoever and turn me into this huge racist criminal
You never hear about black people racially harassing whites.... but you sure do hear of it every time anyone (an asian girl in this case) says anything moderately racist to black people
the worst part is that its basically blacks on one side, and all other races on the other side....
They can say whatever they want about anyone and it doesnt matter, but if any other race says something to blacks then its a huge deal
like i mention before.... if the job applicant was asian, and was referred to in a slgihtly derogatory way, theres no way we would hear about it, and if we did, its not like there would be this huge backlash from the asian community
No kidding..
Ive suffered many humiliating statements about my ethnicity at the hands of blacks, asians you name it. Yet its ok for them to do it because im white. On the same token, I dont dwell on it or make it my lifelong ambition to make money from it. Why? Because as much as it sucks to be in that position, it is their problem, not mine.
If someone doesnt hire me, want to be my friend, etc etc because of my race, then i probably dont want to be associated with them anyways. So to those people i say thanks for being upfront about your shortcomings and saving me a lot of wasted time.
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| Originally posted by FunkyCrew I don't understand why ppl are getting so worked up about the fact that some of us DO NOT find the phrase derogatory? stop shoving it down our throats! |
It was a typo, it was supposed to say "ghetto, dude".
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