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Originally posted by Ian but, why? I mean seriously, a tip is (in ithe terms we speak in europe anyway) to signify good service. It's a sign of gratitude. I don't get why you'd tip bad service, not tipping them is enough. However when abroad which is when we eat out most, we tend to check up on places, by the menu, the number of locals in there, which often shows the quality of a place etc.

That is indeed what it originally meant & still means. The problem is the workers' standard pay isn't anywhere near that good to consider a tip a reward (imagine you are making roughly 5 USD/hour for just 7 hours of service & 6 days a week; how can you live off of that in a major city?).

Take a look at www.tipthepizzaguy.com & you'll see. They often have to (ab)use their own cars & pay out-of-pocket for fuel & the like. After all that is factored in, it's just bad to not tip. When you order for delivery, it signified that you can afford it. If you can afford delivery, than you certainly should be able to afford some 25% more to compensate the driver, otherwise, you could've picked it up yourself. And this is all coming from someone who never worked one day in this type of industry & does not even drive.

I have money, I can tip so I do. I don't see a reason not to tip, ever.

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Originally posted by ali92 That is indeed what it originally meant & still means. The problem is the workers' standard pay isn't anywhere near that good to consider a tip a reward (imagine you are making roughly 5 USD/hour for just 7 hours of service & 6 days a week; how can you live off of that in a major city?).

It's your own fault you have a bad job, I'm not there to give you a big tip because I feel sorry for how much you make, I tip because I had great food, I got my food and I was satisfied with my food. I don't go to a sit in dine in restaurant if I'm in a hurry. If it takes a lil while to get my food that so be it. You don't know the chaoticness that goes on in a kitchen. If you know there is a chance you may run into bad service, don't be lazy and cook your own damn food.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On I always tip at places I plan on going to again. Even if the service is shitty, if I ever plan on going to that place ever again, I tip somewhere around 20%+ I can think of few restaurant experiences where I felt that the attendant did a bad job - there's usually many variables to consider but as long as I get drinks, food, & bill, I am generally pleased with the service. Was the water/waitress really busy? Were they handling like 7 tables at once because someone decided not to show up tonight? are they totally new at the job? All things to consider. Some of you have this fucked up psycho-conditional streak where you believe that tipping should be something done as incentive, like you're fucking Pavlov ringing a bell. No, tipping is not a required thing, but do you honestly believe that after a waiter/waitress gets their $0.43 tip, they will think to themselves "gee, I should do a better job next time" or will they think to themselves "wow, what a righteous idiot fucking cunthead"? Whatever though - I have always operated under the adage that the true measure of a person's character is how they treat those who are least important to them. Tipping shouldn't be some form of behavioural control.

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Originally posted by ali92 That is indeed what it originally meant & still means. The problem is the workers' standard pay isn't anywhere near that good to consider a tip a reward (imagine you are making roughly 5 USD/hour for just 7 hours of service & 6 days a week; how can you live off of that in a major city?).

isn't there a minimum wage over there that has to be strictly enforced? I mean i know tips are important, my brother waited on for years throughout college on min wage for an 18-21 y/o plus tips and it wasn't a lot but he got by.

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Originally posted by Frenchie I tip because I had great food, I got my food and I was satisfied with my food.

But on that note, is the quality of the food or the speed of its preparation really the responsibility of the waiter or waitress? I mean, they didn't even necessarily make your food - they just brought it to you.

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Originally posted by Ian isn't there a minimum wage over there that has to be strictly enforced? I mean i know tips are important, my brother waited on for years throughout college on min wage for an 18-21 y/o plus tips and it wasn't a lot but he got by.

minimum wage doesn't apply to jobs for which tips are a reasonable consideration. That said, I think it's around 6.50 now or something. It's not supposed to be enough to make a good living on, even as it is now (in principal, it shouldn't even exist, but that's for another time). A reasonable number is figured in for tips. I don't know what they do to figure out what a reasonable expectation is for that, but it's in there.

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Originally posted by inconspicuous minimum wage doesn't apply to jobs for which tips are a reasonable consideration. That said, I think it's around 6.50 now or something. It's not supposed to be enough to make a good living on, even as it is now (in principal, it shouldn't even exist, but that's for another time). A reasonable number is figured in for tips. I don't know what they do to figure out what a reasonable expectation is for that, but it's in there.

ok thx, that explains a lot. Minimum wage here is


* �5.35 per hour for workers aged 22 years and older
* A development rate of �4.45 per hour for workers aged 18-21 inclusive
* �3.30 per hour for all workers under the age of 18, who are no longer of compulsory school age.


so for those 22+ like me, nearly $10 i guess.

National minimum wage in the US was brought to $7.25 within the last year, if I recall. Still hardly enough to make a decent living in many areas of the country.

yeah, while it's more here, things cost a lot & it's hard with all taxes & bills to get even for so many people. then u get the bastards profiting from selling credit to people who can't afford it & it gets worse.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On National minimum wage in the US was brought to $7.25 within the last year, if I recall. Still hardly enough to make a decent living in many areas of the country.

that rings a bell. The role of minimum wage is another entire discussion in which [I now know, due to Clovis's thread] no one on this board is going to agree with me.

I don't care who made it, they still brought it to me.



-for the ones who complain that they don't get paid a lot fo waiting tables...All you're doing is taking my order, serving food and checking up on me, I don't see why you should be paid a lot to begin with. It's the lowest of low paying jobs and it's like that for a reason.

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Originally posted by Frenchie -for the ones who complain that they don't get paid a lot fo waiting tables...All you're doing is taking my order, serving food and checking up on me, I don't see why you should be paid a lot to begin with. It's the lowest of low paying jobs and it's like that for a reason.

because they'd prefer communism...well, the theoretical version, anyway.

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Originally posted by Frenchie -for the ones who complain that they don't get paid a lot fo waiting tables...All you're doing is taking my order, serving food and checking up on me, I don't see why you should be paid a lot to begin with. It's the lowest of low paying jobs and it's like that for a reason.

lol totally.. would be fun to see how waiters react when billionaires or celebrities walk into a restaurant...

and besides, atleast 99% of waiters , bartenders etc. are only giving you that smile and checking up on you to get those couple of extra bucks in tips...a lot of them dont have a clue about proper customer service and its pretty easy to see that they are just checking up on you as a mere formality.. but some waiters have been excellent and actually take the time out to have a quick chat and share a joke which is a big plus if the customer isnt busy with something else .. try not tipping them and see if you get served the next time ... if anyone actually deserves a big tip, its the chefs but they actually have something called a skill so they couldnt care less.

Restaurant tipping is still acceptable but its the bartending industry i have a problem with. The fact that they expect tips just to open up a beer or toss you a bottle of water is absolutely ridiculous. Even if you order standard drinks which take less than 5 seconds to make, a tip is not deserved. Unless the bartender actually suggests a drink to you or conjures up one of their own specialties, it should not be warranted. The amount of money bartenders can make in a night just on tips is absolutely ridiculous and its all tax free. Whats probably worse is that some of them must be getting so caught up with all that money that they dont think about actually taking up a real job.

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Originally posted by jennypie I'd accept that some people are fucking Jews and not let it ruin my day. You win some, you lose some.

+1

And Jenny, that avatar is HAWT.

I was working NYE one time, and this old dude tipped me $1 on his first round of drinks, and after that he always had his money in hand and ordered the same drinks. In the huge crowd at the bar he always got my attention first, mainly cus he had his money right there in my face and I was going fast lol

So, yeah even a small tip gets on your server's good side. And this is in NZ where tipping isn't that common.

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Originally posted by raveed lol totally.. would be fun to see how waiters react when billionaires or celebrities walk into a restaurant... and besides, atleast 99% of waiters , bartenders etc. are only giving you that smile and checking up on you to get those couple of extra bucks in tips...a lot of them dont have a clue about proper customer service and its pretty easy to see that they are just checking up on you as a mere formality.. but some waiters have been excellent and actually take the time out to have a quick chat and share a joke which is a big plus if the customer isnt busy with something else .. try not tipping them and see if you get served the next time ... if anyone actually deserves a big tip, its the chefs but they actually have something called a skill so they couldnt care less. Restaurant tipping is still acceptable but its the bartending industry i have a problem with. The fact that they expect tips just to open up a beer or toss you a bottle of water is absolutely ridiculous. Even if you order standard drinks which take less than 5 seconds to make, a tip is not deserved. Unless the bartender actually suggests a drink to you or conjures up one of their own specialties, it should not be warranted. The amount of money bartenders can make in a night just on tips is absolutely ridiculous and its all tax free. Whats probably worse is that some of them must be getting so caught up with all that money that they dont think about actually taking up a real job.

your bartender obviously never takes care of you.

I remember our chat about this.

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Originally posted by gehzumteufel your bartender obviously never takes care of you.

what do you mean when you say takes care of you?

I've never had any problems with a bartender in terms of long wait or attitude but in terms of getting above average service , it doesnt happen unless we do the 'Heres a $20 keep em coming' bit.

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Originally posted by raveed what do you mean when you say takes care of you? I've never had any problems with a bartender in terms of long wait or attitude but in terms of getting above average service , it doesnt happen unless we do the 'Heres a $20 keep em coming' bit.

as in making drinks stronger and not charging you for it. it pays off. ive had bartenders give me 2-3x the alcohol and because of this i tip well.

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Originally posted by gehzumteufel as in making drinks stronger and not charging you for it. it pays off. ive had bartenders give me 2-3x the alcohol and because of this i tip well.

That's true.


MAN, now all my drunken weekends (all three of them, lol) this summer make so much more sense.

I was wondering why I got so shitfaced!

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Originally posted by gehzumteufel as in making drinks stronger and not charging you for it. it pays off. ive had bartenders give me 2-3x the alcohol and because of this i tip well.

So true! Bunny and I are sort of buddies with a bartender at Avalon. He hooks us up all the time. Usually it's like a 2 for 1 deal...really strong drinks in bigger cups. We tip big too! Two vodka redbulls for $8 and a 5 dollar tip is still cheaper than it should be

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Originally posted by gehzumteufel as in making drinks stronger and not charging you for it. it pays off. ive had bartenders give me 2-3x the alcohol and because of this i tip well.

well in general i tip fairly well but its at the end of the night because i keep an open tab ... but i agree with you on the strong drink part... most places i have been to , the bartenders definitely add the vodka to the mixer instead of the other way round but i cant say ive gotten them free of charge

on a side note, i read this article a few days ago about how club managers have become aware that their bartenders are puring extra alcohol when making drinks for the customers and are cracking down on it

15% or more all of the time unless in extreme cases. Seriously wtf if you don't want to tip then stay at home and cook your own fucking food.

if I ever want extra liquor in a drink I always say I will give a better tip and they always hook it up.

Customer service is about some random person helping you out based on how well you help him out(TIP) In the end of the night or shift they will count their money and be happy or pissed based off how well they performed(good or bad). There is always the next day of work to look foward for more tips so it always works out unless your in those sticky situations like too many tips to split or maybe the busines is slow that night or disgruntled workers. It works out for everyone customer and employee. Common sense goes along way when it comes to tipping.

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