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I dont think anyone outside america even knows what the fuck is going on in this thread...so I'm gonna leave.

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Originally posted by RJT Really though, I think it's great that so many of you are apathetic and indifferent with regard to torturing animals.

thank you Bob Barker

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Originally posted by verndogs thank you Bob Barker

You betcha.

This is just one of those issues for me where it seems like everyone else is all too happy to take the "See no/Hear no/Speak no evil" approach, and that is a mindset that I am fundamentally incapable of understanding.

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Originally posted by RJT Really though, I think it's great that so many of you are apathetic and indifferent with regard to torturing animals.

Nobody who's paid any attention to this (i.e. heard the details or seen the images) is indifferent about it. What he did (or, at the very least, was privy to & financed) is appalling. There's no way around that.

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Originally posted by RJT Are you kidding me? You have got to be off your rocker if you really think this situation can be compared to Paris Hilton's antics (and if you really do think there is an analogy to be made, I'd love to hear the details of it). The bottom line is that regardless of whether or not this happens all the time, it shouldn't. I could give fuck all of it's Vick or some asshole down the street from me, but quite frankly, I think it's great that someone like Vick is going down hard for this, because if one person is appalled enough by the situation to do a bit more to stop it from happening again, something good came out of it. Really though, I think it's great that so many of you are apathetic and indifferent with regard to torturing animals.

well you said we should torture Vick like an animal, so where does that put you?

he is a dickbag, and animals shouldnt be mistreated, but they are everyday. even people whom claim to love their animals mistreat them, just like children get mistreated by supposedly well meaning parents.

animal sport, just like human sport has gone on forever. to claim one, stupid human should be persecuted for all the wrongdoings of a whole race is stupid. he gets what he deserves, but this type of shit is happening all over the world and nobody does shit on a larger sense|

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Originally posted by RJT You betcha. This is just one of those issues for me where it seems like everyone else is all too happy to take the "See no/Hear no/Speak no evil" approach, and that is a mindset that I am fundamentally incapable of understanding.

Agree, I think that is a very counterproductive way to look at things and I dont understand how you anybody can say(allow me to paraphrase here but..) I see no real harm in dog fighting because it happens all the time and in other places of the world, yet you wish the purportrator of a crime you do not really think is a crime, to be punished?

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Originally posted by biznology well you said we should torture Vick like an animal, so where does that put you? he is a dickbag, and animals shouldnt be mistreated, but they are everyday. even people whom claim to love their animals mistreat them, just like children get mistreated by supposedly well meaning parents. animal sport, just like human sport has gone on forever. to claim one, stupid human should be persecuted for all the wrongdoings of a whole race is stupid. he gets what he deserves, but this type of shit is happening all over the world and nobody does shit on a larger sense|

Biz - I think you and I are pretty much in agreement there, and to be honest, I would hope my assertion that Vick should be tortured wass clearly a knee-jerk reaction, and not a genuine suggestion for punishment.

My only point is exactly what Spike has said, the idea that it "happens all the time" is moot simply because the position I'm arguing is that we should do everything we can to stop this kind of activity from "happening all the time," regardless of the individual(s) involved.

The only difference here is that there is a celebrity involved, meaning this obviously garners and insane amount of coverage in the American media. While it is indeed and annoyance, if it raises awareness of such barbarism and, as I said, even one person does something in an effort to end such acts - then something decent and good has come out of this.

Don't worry, kids, the NAACP has chimed in.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/08/22/vick/index.html

You know if he were a white man, yadda yadda yadda...

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Originally posted by Zoso Don't worry, kids, the NAACP has chimed in. http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/08/22/vick/index.html You know if he were a white man, yadda yadda yadda...

The NAACP's own racism and absurd statements on just about every major legal issue concerning an African American never cease being funny.

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Originally posted by RJT My only point is exactly what Spike has said, the idea that it "happens all the time" is moot simply because the position I'm arguing is that we should do everything we can to stop this kind of activity from "happening all the time," regardless of the individual(s) involved.

What the people pointing out that it "happens all the time" are addressing isn't necessarily that it makes the act any less cruel or reprehensible, but that there are hoards of people who, despite having never done so before, have now come out of the woodwork, demanding blood for a crime like this. Sure, there are some who make it regular practice, but far more are suddenly joining those ranks. On the one hand, it's pointed out that it's 'only a big deal because it's a celebrity,' and yet, a lot of those same people are only publicly voicing their frustration now that a celebrity is involved.

I understand it, as, regardless of their own opinions, most people don't wish to make activism a priority, for a variety of reasons, but it doesn't render the point 'moot.'

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Originally posted by RJT The NAACP's own racism and absurd statements on just about every major legal issue concerning an African American never cease being funny.

you can replace the specifics in that sentence to make it accurately describe almost any activist group.

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Originally posted by inconspicuous What the people pointing out that it "happens all the time" are addressing isn't necessarily that it makes the act any less cruel or reprehensible, but that there are hoards of people who, despite having never done so before, have now come out of the woodwork, demanding blood for a crime like this. Sure, there are some who make it regular practice, but far more are suddenly joining those ranks. On the one hand, it's pointed out that it's 'only a big deal because it's a celebrity,' and yet, a lot of those same people are only publicly voicing their frustration now that a celebrity is involved. I understand it, as, regardless of their own opinions, most people don't wish to make activism a priority, for a variety of reasons, but it doesn't render the point 'moot.'

You can persecute the masses for ignorance all you want, and could easily make the above argument about anyone who simply learns of something and is upset by it and hadn't known of it before, but that's never going to change the fact that every human being on the planet lives in some sort of ignorant haze.

So then you're left to decide what's more important; awareness of the issue being raised at all, or you being a little fucked off for two weeks that you have to listen to Nancy Grace or some other disingenuous bitch rant about the issue du jour?

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Originally posted by inconspicuous you can replace the specifics in that sentence to make it accurately describe almost any activist group.

Does that make the longstanding tradition of faux-intellectual racist propaganda done in the name of the NAACP any less ridiculous, irritating, or unnecessary?

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Originally posted by RJT You can persecute the masses for ignorance all you want, and could easily make the above argument about anyone who simply learns of something and is upset by it and hadn't known of it before, but that's never going to change the fact that every human being on the planet lives in some sort of ignorant haze. So then you're left to decide what's more important; awareness of the issue being raised at all, or you being a little fucked off for two weeks that you have to listen to Nancy Grace or some other disingenuous bitch rant about the issue du jour?

As I mentioned, I understand the reasoning behind it, and it's not as if I'm about to go out recruiting new PETA members. I'm just pointing out the cause for a lot of the "it happens all the time" comments. Granted, it's unlikely that someone would limit his input on the matter to such a simple remark if not for at least some level of apathy toward the issue, but that surely wouldn't be a common reply if not for the sudden and unusual flood of public outrage.

I don't know who Nancy Grace is, though.

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Originally posted by RJT Does that make the longstanding tradition of faux-intellectual racist propaganda done in the name of the NAACP any less ridiculous, irritating, or unnecessary?

nope.

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Originally posted by inconspicuous I don't know who Nancy Grace is, though.

Fucking well played.

I think it's a tad more fucked to participate AND organize this type of circle jerking over animal depravity (60+dogs?)than go out and carry out the pre-meditated or random murder of another human being.

JUST a tad.

now trees are going to be cut down for the legal process, money is going to be spent through the justice system, precious time is taken out of Linsday Lohans tits on CNN for this. I think Vick also gets free cups of water during the courtroom sessions. AND he still has wankfucks like the NAACP wanting to go back to his $99999999999999999999999999999999999999999 salary. get the fuck outta here. 3 minutes with his family and 2 shotgun shells.

um, ok.

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"when i see a lil chihuahua walkin down the street i get pissed off n wanna do somethin crazy like electrocute em to death! you ever do that?"

LOL

even though hes going to plead guilty and word is prosecutors are looking to get 12-18 months I doubt it will stick..

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Originally posted by RJT Are you kidding me? You have got to be off your rocker if you really think this situation can be compared to Paris Hilton's antics (and if you really do think there is an analogy to be made, I'd love to hear the details of it).

Hey, why dont you remember - I live in Atlanta. Not only do I get it on the national channels, but every time I turn the TV on or read a story in the paper, I get to hear about him. My analogy was in the amount of press coverage Im seeing.

Im absolutely NOT indifferent to torturing animals. My comment's emotion was that I think its sick that the only time people make a big deal about it is when a shitty starting quarterback is the one doing the killing.

I dont care who the fuck you are or who you're paid by - fuck anyone who thinks that bullshit is okay.

Vick tested positive for marijuana. Way to go, genius.

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