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You know, this thread just didn't even start on the right foot. Q5, calling people idiots won't help you prove your point, specially when all you're doing is tell them about a TV show.
I'm not closing it now because there's some debate going on, but let's try to behave ourselves, kay?
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| Originally posted by shaolin_Z And now the jizz is flowing out of your cum infested mouth. Please don't splatter it all over this board, you're the only who's gonna clean it up. |
A good radio interview with a Popular Mechanics "mythbuster"
Charles Goyette was voted best talkshow host in Phoenix, AZ, by the Phoenix Times and and the New York Times.
23 minutes and 44 seconds long, the interview features Charles Goyette vs a self-proclaimed 9/11 mythbuster from Popular Mechanics magazine, which is owned by the Hearst Corporation. Goyette does not become �blinded by science�, and instead snags Popular Mechanics with basic reasoning and questions.
http://www.911podcasts.com/files/au...60823-am-c3.MP3
will have a listen when i get home trancer, but again, "basic reasoning" is not always the best method of inquiry. at least the 911truth.org "basic reasoning" causes a lot of fallacies to be propogated in this debate. having said that though, id like some truther idiots to use some "basic reasoning" towards what i call the "macro" theory of 9/11, and try and explain why it makes absolutely no sense.
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| Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN will have a listen when i get home trancer, but again, "basic reasoning" is not always the best method of inquiry. at least the 911truth.org "basic reasoning" causes a lot of fallacies to be propogated in this debate. having said that though, id like some truther idiots to use some "basic reasoning" towards what i call the "macro" theory of 9/11, and try and explain why it makes absolutely no sense. |
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| Originally posted by SiLveR_NrGy_985 well it sure steps into the realm of the CT if you know what i mean.... anyway i found this posted on one of the forums i go to and found this quite interesting: and as for the history channels show , here's whats wrong with that BS - The debunkers, people like James Meigs whose scientific expertise stretches as far as being the editor of Video Review and Entertainment Weekly, were labeled as experts while real experts like Physicist Professor Steven Jones were stripped of any such description. - The debunkers' interviews were pristinely shot and framed, with beautiful backdrops and highly sympathetic camera angles and filters, whereas the truthers were shot from bizarre positions, their images were deliberately distorted and even the color filter of the shot had been manipulated to make their appearance look tainted, blurred and contorted. This was an intentional ploy and a crude act of manipulation to detract credibility from the truthers and violates all known ethical standards of journalism. - The producers of the show failed to offer the proviso that Hearst Publishing, the owner of Popular Mechanics, also holds a controlling stake in the History Channel (via its stake in the A & E Television Network), therefore concealing from the viewer a blatant conflict of interest that negated the neutrality of the show before it had even begun. - The debunkers were afforded far more time on camera while the truthers were sidelined. - The narrator of the show would dismiss the questions and evidence raised by the truthers as unproven or debunked in an ad hominem manner without providing any evidence to justify the assertion. - The truthers were edited so that only hesitant responses to questions were broadcast, casting doubt on the veracity of their claims in the mind of the unsuspecting viewer. - The show included a clip of Alex Jones' appearance at the University of Texas, at which around 500 people packed the lecture hall to hear his speech, but deliberately and maliciously edited the footage to include shots taken during recess, so as to make it appear that the lecture hall was mostly empty. In addition, lingering shots of empty chairs were included to further deceive the viewer into thinking few had attended the speech. This is journalistic fraud of the worse kind - a blatant misrepresentation and deliberate skewing of actual events. - In a similar vein, footage from 9/11 truth protests was broadcast but the angle of the shot was always tight, so as to make out that few people had attended the demonstration, when in fact thousands were present. - Davin Coburn of Popular Mechanics, mirroring a dirty trick that was also employed in the BBC hit piece, maliciously lied and smeared Alex Jones and others in the program by claiming that most of the 9/11 families hate them and that they are responsible for causing the families more pain. Coburn and the show's producers know this is an outright lie and that the majority of the family members are asking the same questions as Alex Jones and others. Bill Doyle, representative of the largest group of 9/11 family members told the Alex Jones Show directly that over half of the family members have questions about the official story. Alex Jones and the Loose Change crew offered contact details for numerous 9/11 first responders, firefighters and family members that were asking questions of the official version, but absolutely none were interviewed by Brad Davis and the rest of the show's producers. - The producers of the show tried to make out that Loose Change had recanted their position on the issue of controlled demolition, when in fact Dylan Avery and the other members of the crew were merely using their Final Cut version to focus on other topics, having already covered controlled demolition at length in previous versions. This trick was used to claim that evidence for bombs and controlled demolition, which is attested to by scores of firefighters and first responders, none of which were interviewed by the producers, had been debunked. - Articles and text from 9/11 truth websites were shown, but the actual URL addresses of the sites were blurred out, with the History Channel obviously frightened that people might actually visit such websites and find out that the program was a pack of lies. - The debunkers attempted to wriggle out of Secretary Norman Mineta's bombshell testimony about Cheney's actions in the Emergency Operations Center, by claiming that Mineta was talking about Flight 93 and not the plane that hit the Pentagon. In reality, Mineta makes it clear in his testimony that he is talking about Flight 77, "the airplane coming in to the Pentagon," and this is then confirmed by Commissioner Lee Hamilton. The debunkers admitted that temperatures inside the twin towers were not hot enough to melt steel, but claimed that they were hot enough to weaken steel and cause the collapse. The debunkers uniformly failed to address the fact that firefighters and first responders described witnessing molten steel beneath the rubble of the towers and they also ignored Professor Steven Jones' scientific analysis of the iron-rich microspheres found in the rubble. In a website posting last night, Professor Jones stated that he emphatically pushed the dust analysis during his interview with the producers, but the topic was completely overlooked. The New York Times reported that the molten steel was "perhaps the deepest mystery uncovered" but the History Channel, mirroring NIST, failed to address the issue. - The debunkers mentioned WTC 7 only in passing and completely failed to address why the building, which wasn't hit by a plane, collapsed in 7 seconds into its own footprint after suffering only limited fire damage from falling debris. They also failed to mention why news outlets were reporting the collapse of Building 7 over an hour before it actually fell. - The wargames that dovetailed 9/11 and deliberately confused NORAD personnel so as to slow response to the real attack were completely excluded. - The Able Danger program and how the hijackers were discovered before 9/11 was completely excluded. - The fact that the money man behind the hijackers, Pakistan�s ISI Chief Mahmoud Ahmad, was meeting with U.S. government and intelligence officials before and on the morning of 9/11, was completely excluded. - William Rodriguez' first-hand testimony of explosions prior to the impact of the planes was completely excluded, as was the testimony of numerous firefighters who attested to bombs and explosions. - NBC reporter Pat Dawson claimed that FDNY Chief of Safety Albert Turi had only described explosions, not bombs, going off, contradicting Dawson's own report at the time which stated, "Reports of a secondary device, that is another �bomb� going off." |
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| Originally posted by Trancer-X William Rodriguez on CSPAN 8-17-2007 (Pt 1 of 3) [[ LINK REMOVED ]] William Rodriguez on CSPAN 8-17-2007 (Pt 2 of 3) [[ LINK REMOVED ]] William Rodriguez on CSPAN 8-17-2007 (Pt 3 of 3) [[ LINK REMOVED ]] |
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| Originally posted by Q5echo give us a hint as to where Rodriguez says that he heard explosions prior to the impact of the planes. |
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| William Rodriguez on CSPAN 8-17-2007 (Pt 2 of 3) [[ LINK REMOVED ]] |
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| Originally posted by Trancer-X Here, I set it to begin there just for you. Just press play you lazy bum. |
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| Originally posted by Q5echo he's in the 1st basement level and he heard a boom approximately 7 seconds prior to another boom. so? |
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| Originally posted by Trancer-X You're not willing to take the time to do any of your own research on it but you sure as heck do like to argue about it, don't ya? If you're really not all that interested in learning about the facts surrounding the events of 9/11 then why do you even continue to post in regards to it? That was a rhetorical question so you really don't need to answer. If you had actually watched the video you would haved noticed that it contains a lot of good information (which was discluded from the official report.) Mr. Rodriguez (and a lot of other people) heard a LOT of explosions that fateful day. He also heard some weird, anomalous shit on the 34th floor which was unoccupied / under construction. Those are just two small points of interest, however. |
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| CNN BREAKING NEWS Airplanes Hit The World Trade Center Aired September 11, 2001 - 13:30 ET THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED. THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED. AARON BROWN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: William Rodriguez (ph) is a maintenance worker at the Trade Center, I believe. In any case, he's on the phone with us now. Mr. Rodriguez can you hear me? WILLIAM RODRIGUEZ, MAINTENANCE WORKER, TRADE CENTER: Yes, I can hear you now. BROWN: Tell me where you were when -- which of those two buildings were you in? RODRIGUEZ: I work in building one. The one that got hit the first time. BROWN: Tell me what happened. RODRIGUEZ: I was in the basement, which is the support floor for the maintenance company, and we hear like a big rumble. Not like an impact, like a rumble, like moving furniture in a massive way. And all of sudden we hear another rumble, and a guy comes running, running into our office, and all of skin was off his body. All of the skin. We went crazy, we started screaming, we told him to get out. We took everybody out of the office outside to the loading dock area. Then I went back in, and when I went back in I saw people -- I heard people that were stuck on an the elevator, on a freight elevator because all of the elevators went down. And water was going in, and they were probably getting drowned. And we get a couple of pipes and opened the elevator and we got the people out. I went back up and saw one of the officers from the Port Authority Police, I been working there for 20 years so I knew him very well. My routine on the World Trade Center is in charge of the staircase, and since there was no elevator service, I have the master keys for all the staircase doors. So, I went up with the police officer and a group of firemen. As we went up, there was a lot of people coming up, and while we got -- it was very difficult to get up. BROWN: Mr. Rodriguez, how many time has taken -- has elapsed here in this, as you recount the events? Did it seem like hours, minutes, seconds? RODRIGUEZ: No, it wasn't hours. BROWN: What did it seem like? RODRIGUEZ: Well there was a big time, like a gap. There was a gap of time. I won't be able to tell you if it was 15 or 20 minutes. BROWN: OK. RODRIGUEZ: But there was a gap of time. We heard, while we were on the 33rd floor, I'm sorry on the 23rd floor, because we stopped there with the fire department because their equipped was very heavy and they were breathing very hard. They took a break because they couldn't continue going up. So they wanted take a break. And we had a person on a wheelchair that we were going to bring down on a gurney, and a lady that was having problems with a heart attack, and some other guy that was bleeding hard. And we went a couple of floors up. While they were putting the person in the gurney, got up to the 39th floor, and we heard on the radio that the 65th floor collapsed. It collapsed. BROWN: Mr. Rodriguez, let me stop you there at the 65th floor, and let me add you are a lucky man, it seems like, today. Thank you for joining us. TO ORDER A VIDEO OF THIS TRANSCRIPT, PLEASE CALL 800-CNN-NEWS OR USE OUR SECURE ONLINE ORDER FORM LOCATED AT www.fdch.com |
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| Originally posted by Q5echo my post above this edited. you've fallen for another fraud. you're pathetic |
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| Originally posted by Trancer-X Are you having a meltdown over there or something, Q5? Please be more specific, especially when intentionally trying to discredit a hero like Mr. Rodriguez in the attempt at making our government's bogus story seem credible. Thanks. |
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| Originally posted by Q5echo he gave a live interview to the world 5 hours after the planes crashed into the towers. mentioned nothing about what he described on your vids. he also failed to mention it in is 2004 RICO lawsuit with the government. only now that he's joined the "truther" movement and getting paid for it is he claiming these wonderful stories. he's a fraud and you've fallen for it. |
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| A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED. |
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| Originally posted by Trancer-X lol from what I gather, what you posted appears to be produced by CNN and not an in-depth speech aired on C-Span I'm sorry, but your half-witted personal attacks don't work. They don't work on me and they don't work on Mr. Rodriguez. |
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| Originally posted by Q5echo he gave a live interview to the world 5 hours after the planes crashed into the towers. mentioned nothing about what he described on your vids. he also failed to mention it in is 2004 RICO lawsuit with the government. only now that he's joined the "truther" movement and getting paid for it is he claiming these wonderful stories. he's a fraud and you've fallen for it. |
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| Originally posted by LazFX that man is a total fraud and an opportunist. Getting paid to change your story is what we call a FOCKING LIAR!! but as long as he strokes the CT's clits, then he is a Hero!! |
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| Originally posted by Q5echo he gave a live interview to the world 5 hours after the planes crashed into the towers. mentioned nothing about what he described on your vids. he also failed to mention it in is 2004 RICO lawsuit with the government. only now that he's joined the "truther" movement and getting paid for it is he claiming these wonderful stories. he's a fraud and you've fallen for it. |
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| For the second time in less than a month, five times honoured 9/11 hero and last man out of the Twin Towers, William Rodriguez, has been banned from a British hotel. http://rinf.com/alt-news/911-truth/...m-rodriguez/696 |
Re: A good radio interview with a Popular Mechanics "mythbuster"
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Charles Goyette was voted best talkshow host in Phoenix, AZ, by the Phoenix Times and and the New York Times. 23 minutes and 44 seconds long, the interview features Charles Goyette vs a self-proclaimed 9/11 mythbuster from Popular Mechanics magazine, which is owned by the Hearst Corporation. Goyette does not become �blinded by science�, and instead snags Popular Mechanics with basic reasoning and questions. http://www.911podcasts.com/files/au...60823-am-c3.MP3 |
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