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Originally posted by biznology well like i said, it depends on the set up on the player, the speakers/headphones and the encoding quality - i can hear a noticeable difference, plus many mp4 files are lower quality than some higher rated mp3s.

Well yeah, obviously the headphones/speakers/encoding quality makes a difference, but we're not talking about high quality audio here, it's MP3 or MP4. Not analogue or CD quality, just compressed audio, and I have honestly found the difference to be highly negligible.

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Originally posted by biznology creatives are annoying in certain ways, but so are ipods

YES! Annoying as fuck! Both of them!

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Originally posted by biznology and at least with newer creatives you can choose to subscribe, or not. using ID tags IS annoying, but they also generally have a higher signal to noise ration than most other players as well (and you can easily make playlists, and much more easily than earlier players)|

Admittedly, my Creative player was an older one (I can't remember the model now) and I'm sure they've stepped up they're technology.

And bear in mind, I specifically didn't want a chunky sized one this time around, as I find it unnecessary. But I find my E10 to be PERFECT for what I need, and have had zero issues with it. Especially with sound quality. Mootmootmootpoint

yeh, but a technology that should inherently let you do what you want with it, now MUST have a bunch of shit wrong with it to keep people from truly doing what they want with it.

i bought my gf a creative that is great on battery, sound, shows pics.

BUT it cant show videos, looking at pictures means no music, all music is organized by tags...WHAT?! my cell phone can do those things without problem...but the music industry still has influence.


its a best of the worst scenario. whatever you like and are willing to deal with - will be what you get|

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Originally posted by biznology yeh, but a technology that should inherently let you do what you want with it, now MUST have a bunch of shit wrong with it to keep people from truly doing what they want with it.

I'm not totally sure what you're referring to? Do you mean DRM etc?

No piece of technology (unless you're talking about professional gear) is going to do EXACTLY what you want, as the companies that produce them have to make the equipment according to the 'general' user base. MP3 players are VERY general now.

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Originally posted by Sushipunk Well, that's sort of a moot point anyway. You're listening to MP3's, which are highly compressed anyway, and sound crappy. The difference between the various players' sound quality is almost negligible.

Except that mp3s only cut sounds which you cannot hear anyway and only a select few individuals in the entire world can actually hear a major difference. It's virtually impossible to hear the difference even on the best sound systems, and pretty much no chance on a portable mp3 player.

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Originally posted by Fledz Except that mp3s only cut sounds which you cannot hear anyway and only a select few individuals in the entire world can actually hear the difference

Lol! In theory. The compression isn't as 'exact' as you seem to think. (Nice edit, too)

Seriously though, do you honestly mean to tell me that you can't tell the difference between CD quality sound, and MP3 quality sound? It really isn't too hard to make the distinction.

It's pretty damn tough dude, and I've got bloody good studio monitors aswell. Point is, it's what in science you would call "insignificant".

Oh and the edit was for clarity

Depends on the CD really, some of them are in ADD (analogue recording-digital mastering-digital recording) or even AAD which you can pick between a DDD CD.
Same with your mp3 quality, (under 160kbs I notice) but it really depends from the source, say if I ripped it down off vinyl and onto mp3 has a bit of 'character' to it compared to straight off a CD's wav file.
Which in of itself can be of varying quality like I mentioned.

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Originally posted by Fledz It's pretty damn tough dude, and I've got bloody good studio monitors aswell. Point is, it's what in science you would call "insignificant". Oh and the edit was for clarity

Bah. MP3's just sounds "Muddy" compared to CDs or records.

I have Yamaha HS-80s and Alesis Monitor 2's for reference, and you REALLY can tell the difference.

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Originally posted by Sushipunk Bah. MP3's just sounds "Muddy" compared to CDs or records. I have Yamaha HS-80s and Alesis Monitor 2's for reference, and you REALLY can tell the difference.

Are you sure you're listening to 320kpbs MP3? Because if they aren't then this discussion is pointless.

And I have Dynaudio BM5a's so I'm not lacking in quality either

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Originally posted by Lilith Depends on the CD really, some of them are in ADD (analogue recording-digital mastering-digital recording) or even AAD which you can pick between a DDD CD. Same with your mp3 quality, (under 160kbs I notice) but it really depends from the source, say if I ripped it down off vinyl and onto mp3 has a bit of 'character' to it compared to straight off a CD's wav file. Which in of itself can be of varying quality like I mentioned.

Naturally, but the accepted norm for the mp3 vs wav debate is that the mp3s are always of the highest quality

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Originally posted by Sushipunk I'm not totally sure what you're referring to? Do you mean DRM etc? No piece of technology (unless you're talking about professional gear) is going to do EXACTLY what you want, as the companies that produce them have to make the equipment according to the 'general' user base. MP3 players are VERY general now.

no i understand that POV. but there are hurdles for the general user towards subscribing or doing their own thing. its not easy, even for someone who generally knows something about computers.


everyone has their own worries, concerns. my mp3s would all sound like shit except for my TB Santa Cruz, it does so much that its funny that people pay 3000 more for a regular stereo, but its also really old and generally worthless. mp3s are a personal experience but they dont have to sound terrible.

ipods are fine, but they limit the ability to share music, which i know is paramount to those music moguls whom need money. but most people just want to share good sounding music - which is why mp3 players(dvds, cds, computers, vhs, tapes, etc) were invented|

iPods don't limit music though....iTunes does. That's a different discussion.

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Originally posted by Fledz Naturally, but the accepted norm for the mp3 vs wav debate is that the mp3s are always of the highest quality

Ah, uninformed bun-fight over semantics in other words

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Originally posted by Lilith Ah, uninformed bun-fight over semantics in other words

Yep, when will it end

ipods....my ipod is acting up by displaying the wrong artwork on some tracks and it's pissing me off. i'm a person who NEEDS the artwork to be accurate and when i see a picture of "the transplants" on the tag of a radiohead track, it makes me feel negative inside.

So apparently Mr. Jobs is supposed to be announcing the new Apple IPOD today.

Anyone else heard about this?

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Originally posted by Fledz iPods don't limit music though....iTunes does. That's a different discussion.

yeah, but still - there is another option is all i mean. too bad there arent actually 10 other options! i need an mp3 player|

the real question is, would this thread get this much attention if it were in the tech & gadget section






pwned!

no, but that doesnt mean it shouldnt be there. no one responds to shit in there.

but tech nerds usually have a severe ego about stuff too, so its understandable|

the new nano is ugly as fuck.

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Originally posted by SuspicionVandit the new nano is ugly as fuck.

is that real or just a mock-up?

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Originally posted by mezzir is that real or just a mock-up?

it's the new nano.
ie, the Nano BigMacMidgetFatFuck
http://www.digg.com

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Originally posted by SuspicionVandit it's the new nano. ie, the Nano BigMacMidgetFatFuck http://www.digg.com

when will people realize its not always the case that smaller=better

I need a new iPod Touch Fund

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Originally posted by Orpheus Is Dead Something new from apple? bygolly its an mp3 player... What will they think of next?

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