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Originally posted by Q5echo i don't remember the Mullahs in Iran crying about the CIA helping the Afghan Mujahadeen kick the Soviets out of the country to their East.

I also don't remember the leaders of the Middle East complaining about our hospital facilities. We're the great devil...unless you're really sick and need a good doctor

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Originally posted by CHRles That would be you, Shibby. I want Cuba to go back to being a free and Democratic country. You want it to stay anti-American, and Communist. You dont care about Cubans at all.

oh boy here we go with the Democracy nonsense again.I mean havent you learned anything from Iraq yet?how is the "Democracy" working out for them? I ll say it again,Democracy doesnt work in every country in this world especialy if you try to force it.

Democracy had a pretty long tradition in Cuba prior to Castro.
Cuba had problems b/c the mob was there, there was corruption, and gambling was legal, but Vegas had those problems too. Look at Vegas today - Havana could have been that too if it wasnt for Castro.

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Originally posted by CHRles That would be you, Shibby. I want Cuba to go back to being a free and Democratic country. You want it to stay anti-American, and Communist. You dont care about Cubans at all.

I want Cuba to be its own country and do whatever it feels it needs to do.

Also, don't try to attribute your reactions and feelings to my world view. Don't put me in the "opposite" of whatever you believe simply because I challenge you. This is what I mean by fundamentalist reaction: you think (perhaps with a bit of paranoia...) that everyone else is the enemy except people who believe exactly as you do.

I assure you, you and I are very different people.

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Originally posted by CHRles No, that would be the people you support. Stop twisting things around. I think I need to copy & poaste one of my earlier replies.

Nevermind, I can see that you're trolling me now. Ignore my post above.

I made a mistake replying to you with the assumption that you're actually here to share communication. It won't happen again.

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Originally posted by DJ Shibby I want Cuba to be its own country and do whatever it feels it needs to do.

no, lets be clear. you and Krypton want Castro to do whatever he feels he needs to do, right?

i mean you certainly can't be refering to the Cuban people when you say "Cuba be it's own country" right?

Leave Castro alone
http://youtube.com/watch?v=6FAuJod1XmY

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Originally posted by Q5echo no, lets be clear. you and Krypton want Castro to do whatever he feels he needs to do, right? i mean you certainly can't be refering to the Cuban people when you say "Cuba be it's own country" right?

I'm saying that every country becomes what it is through two forces: chance, and action.

Every country manipulates every other country's forces. Think: England and America circa mid 1700s.

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Originally posted by DJ Shibby I'm saying that every country becomes what it is through two forces: chance, and action.

Time to take action and increase the chances of Cuba being Castro free in 2008.

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Originally posted by Q5echo no, you lost an argument and your pride has told you to deny and obfuscate.

Says you? LOL

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your tenuous grasp on history has failed to point out that we supported Castro and did little to intervene his rise to power. in fact, our first embargo in 1958 was an arms embargo so Batista wouldn't escalate conflict at our cost. we formally recognized the new Castro government you moron. until he completely screwed the people and now he treats them like caged animals.

What are referring to by all this?

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and guess what, JFK, the liberal Jesus, was a Democrat not a Neocon

When did I say Kennedy was a neocon? Let's not attribute arguments I havn't even made..

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FFS you kids that think that youre getting a formal education and you know everthing and can't be told you're wrong are really getting on my nerves

Sorry if we don't believe in police actions as foreign policy..

and your "tenuous grasp" of history is limited to what comes from the Bush Doctrine. I'm gonna keep shoving in your faces the founding fathers philosophy so you realize this is not where we are at today..Thus, principles will prevail in this argument, not fallacies..

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Originally posted by Krypton Thus, principles will prevail in this argument, not fallacies..

...says the guy who can't defend Castro weak.

your priviledges to invoke the Founding Fathers has been hereby revoked.

i mean these are the same guys who rounded up an entire army to put down the whiskey rebellion, and you think they'd handle what Castro did to us in 1960 with diplomacy? nigga please

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Originally posted by Q5echo ...says the guy who can't defend Castro weak. your priviledges to invoke the Founding Fathers has been hereby revoked. i mean these are the same guys who rounded up an entire army to put down the whiskey rebellion, and you think they'd handle what Castro did to us in 1960 with diplomacy? nigga please

Sorry I use the truth of the principles our country was founded on. I guess true freedom goes against your neocon philosophy.

You respond to an act of war with an equivalent defense. Are you trying to attribute to me the argument that diplomacy should be 100% used even when attacked? Are you crazy??

You have a mad habit of applying arguments that havn't been made, especially your assumption that I'm defending Castro. I opposing foreign interference in other state's internal affairs. Get it right..

As for armies..........

Don't forget that even the proud Romans marched on Rome.

The question is... how close is too close?

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Originally posted by Krypton You have a mad habit of applying arguments that havn't been made, especially your assumption that I'm defending Castro. I opposing foreign interference in other state's internal affairs. Get it right..

Yes, we know you're a libertarian. As such, feel free to move to Switzerland anytime. It's a beautiful country. Geneva is one of my favorite cities in the world - very cultural, educated, scenic, and pleasant. Most importantly for you the Swiss are neutral.

The question is what will you do with all the extra free time on your hands once you can no longer criticize the government in which you live in?

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Originally posted by erdega America has killed millions of people in the balkans and middle east and millions more into refugees and they are still losers who can only fight defenseless people.

What ever you simple minded fock. Like your Pedo Warriors "don't hide behind women and children?

Try again

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Originally posted by Krypton I guess true freedom goes against your neocon philosophy.

no, communism goes against my Neocon philosphy as well would the Founding Fathers.

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You respond to an act of war with an equivalent defense. Are you trying to attribute to me the argument that diplomacy should be 100% used even when attacked? Are you crazy??

i seriously have no idea what youre talking about.

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You have a mad habit of applying arguments that havn't been made, especially your assumption that I'm defending Castro. I opposing foreign interference in other state's internal affairs. Get it right..

then don't make ridiculously ignorant statements like this:

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"country's like Cuba, which compares little in commodity power to the Saudi's, get embargoed specifically because of "human rights".

and prop up Castro like he's some helpless victim then denegrate your own country. and illogically using the Founding Fathers to do it as if you know ANYTHING about the Founding Fathers

call you Danny Glover from now on. ass

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Originally posted by CHRles Yes, we know you're a libertarian. As such, feel free to move to Switzerland anytime. It's a beautiful country. Geneva is one of my favorite cities in the world - very cultural, educated, scenic, and pleasant. Most importantly for you the Swiss are neutral. The question is what will you do with all the extra free time on your hands once you can no longer criticize the government in which you live in?

I will do everything in my power to keep my country from falling into the trash heap of the neo-conservative roaches that permeate Washington, and all those who support them. You serve the interests of our government. You need to realize that the government should be serving us.

The reason I speak of safe-havens is..

1. To escape the tyrannical tax code, that claims an illegal income tax, and also claims the right to tax even your assets outside the country.
2. I have a gloom n doom attitude towards the course of this nation (under neo-conservative tyranny), and I am not in the minority as you are about this view..

I plan 100% to find a second home outside of this country, and I see it as hedge against unforeseen events.

Come to think of it, our founding fathers weren't very libertarians.
Let's see, we had numerous wars with numerous Indian tribes, we purchased Louisiana from the French, got Texas from Mexico, fought a war with Mexico, took control of the Philippines, had a civil war, and then there's the little issue of slavery. What else? Children worked in mines, chaos and lawlessness in the Wild West, the rise of the KKK. Ah, good times man, good times. Things were so much better back in the good old days...

I tell you, the days of our founding fathers were utopian. Not a care in the world, no European empires like the UK, France, Portugal, Spain, or Holland, ruling most of the world. Every country was perfect, there were no wars, the native population of Argentina didnt get completely wiped out by the white men, and....oh wait. Those things did happen, and America wasnt to blame for many of them. We just stood by and let them happen. Lovely.

Tell you what. I'm almost done building a time machine. Just gotta work out the kinks with this flux capacitor. Once I'm done I'll be happy to send you off on your merry way to 1790. We'd really like it if you could share with us your experiences of these glory days. Since no internet or electricity will be available to you, please feel free to start a journal/book depicting your libertarian life.

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Originally posted by Q5echo no, communism goes against my Neocon philosphy as well would the Founding Fathers.

So should theocracy. You defend Saudi Arabia, then attack Castro, then say I'm defending Castro? Please..

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i seriously have no idea what youre talking about.

Im sorry, having a lil bit of amnesia?

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i mean these are the same guys who rounded up an entire army to put down the whiskey rebellion, and you think they'd handle what Castro did to us in 1960 with diplomacy? nigga please

I'm guessing your referring to the Cuban Missile crisis. Whereby I said if threatened, you respond action for action. Not pre-emptively. You didn't see the US invading full-scale in Cuba did you? Kennedy was a good man.

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then don't make ridiculously ignorant statements like this: and prop up Castro like he's some helpless victim then denegrate your own country. and illogically using the Founding Fathers to do it as if you know ANYTHING about the Founding Fathers

You don't see the hypocrisy of supporting a Wahabist regime with RELIGIOUS POLICE, but embargoing Cuba? I even showed you why we would support Saudi Arabia and not Cuba. It's all about securing our oil supply. You then tried downplaying Saudi oil, when in fact you take it out of our market, the economy would be wrecked by that alone. I smile everytime you think I actually support Cuba, when I don't. Keep trying..

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call you Danny Glover from now on. ass

I know you want war with everyone, chill, your faction is doing it in the Mid East, don't worry.

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Originally posted by CHRles Come to think of it, our founding fathers weren't very libertarians. Let's see, we had numerous wars with numerous Indian tribes, we purchased Louisiana from the French, got Texas from Mexico, fought a war with Mexico, took control of the Philippines, had a civil war, and then there's the little issue of slavery. What else? Children worked in mines, chaos and lawlessness in the Wild West, the rise of the KKK. Ah, good times man, good times. Things were so much better back in the good old days... I tell you, the days of our founding fathers were utopian. Not a care in the world, no European empires like the UK, France, Portugal, Spain, or Holland, ruling most of the world. Every country was perfect, there were no wars, the native population of Argentina didnt get completely wiped out by the white men, and....oh wait. Those things did happen, and America wasnt to blame for many of them. We just stood by and let them happen. Lovely. Tell you what. I'm almost done building a time machine. Just gotta work out the kinks with this flux capacitor. Once I'm done I'll be happy to send you off on your merry way to 1790. We'd really like it if you could share with us your experiences of these glory days. Since no internet or electricity will be available to you, please feel free to start a journal/book depicting your libertarian life.

America was founded to keep away from European wars and oppression. As a country where a minority would not be oppressed. The Constitution was written to be the final law of the land. And when I see our country doing things that run contrary to the constitution and the spirit in which it was written, I get mightily pissed. Why don't you support the enforcement of our constitution and stop supporting the Bush Doctrine??

When was the constitution written?
It was based on some good ideas, but like fixed religion it needs to change with the times. Religion is based on good ideas, and principles that are set out to guide mankind, and give hope. The problem is over time fixed religion has been corrupted and taken to the extreme.
This is what you're doing with the constitution, and its what religious extremists do with religion.

BTW, this country is a land of immigrants. What happens in other parts of the world effects the families of the people who migrated to America. Furthermore, America is the most generous country on the face of the planet. Don't ask for proof, b/c if you don't know as much shame on you - look it up. So when we see the money that we send not going to those in need, but rather to tyrants in power, and when we see that things are further deteriorating then we try to act upon it.
Clinton did something about the situatio9n in the Balkans, and even about little Haiti. Sadly the US can't be everywhere at the same time, but yes we're the superheroes of the world. America is the lone superpower out there today, and despite all its faults is the one that tries to make the biggest positive difference on the global stage.
Can't say the same for Iran, North Korea, or Cuba. Can you?

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Originally posted by CHRles When was the constitution written? It was based on some good ideas, but like fixed religion it needs to change with the times. Religion is based on good ideas, and principles that are set out to guide mankind, and give hope. The problem is over time fixed religion has been corrupted and taken to the extreme. This is what you're doing with the constitution, and its what religious extremists do with religion.

I understand your point of view now. You don't give two shits about the Constitution as the law of the land. I totally understand you now.. If more people subscribe to this view, we'll be a police state in no time!

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BTW, this country is a land of immigrants. What happens in other parts of the world effects the families of the people who migrated to America. Furthermore, America is the most generous country on the face of the planet. Don't ask for proof, b/c if you don't know as much shame on you - look it up. So when we see the money that we send not going to those in need, but rather to tyrants in power, and when we see that things are further deteriorating then we try to act upon it. Clinton did something about the situatio9n in the Balkans, and even about little Haiti. Sadly the US can't be everywhere at the same time, but yes we're the superheroes of the world. America is the lone superpower out there today, and despite all its faults is the one that tries to make the biggest positive difference on the global stage. Can't say the same for Iran, North Korea, or Cuba. Can you?

Clinton operated under international law, something your friend Bush does not do... I never have doubted America serves good purposes throughout the world. But when the negative activities we partake in overtake anything good we have done, where does that leave us? Backwards...

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Originally posted by Krypton I understand your point of view now. You don't give two shits about the Constitution as the law of the land. I totally understand you now.. If more people subscribe to this view, we'll be a police state in no time!

Your reading comprehension is almost as good as Bin Laden's excuses. Please go and ask your school for a refun ASAP

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Originally posted by CHRles Your reading comprehension is almost as good as Bin Laden's excuses. Please go and ask your school for a refun ASAP

Excuse me? You just said the Constitution is an old-fashioned piece of paper. i think you need a psychological evaluation..

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Originally posted by Krypton Excuse me? You just said the Constitution is an old-fashioned piece of paper. i think you need a psychological evaluation..

Let me guess - you want me to take the psycological evaluation in Iran since this country is so biased.
Go back to a decent school, learn how to read, and stop posting "sources" from anti-government/conspiracy theory websites. They have their own agenda, and obviously put their own spin on things.

Lay off the smoke pipe, go get laid, and lay on the beach tommorow.

Laters.

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