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Originally posted by Trance Nutter This is the thing that gets me about astrophysics, and why I don't believe much that they say. They claim the universe is shaped. Ok, but whats around the shape. They claim that the universe is expanding, but into what? I reckon its basically a bunch of egg-heads in some nerdy pissing contest to find who can come up with the longest or most outlandish mathematical equation. The universe is infinite, theres no shape, theres no expansion, it just goes on and on. Unfortunately humans don't seem to be able to grasp the idea of infinite and like to quantify things and thats basically why religion came about, that we couldn't accept that things are infinite and random and there must be some higher power controlling it. My opinion at least.

Maybe the universe, itself, IS the one controlling, um, itself.

Ok, I'm with pkc, this hurts.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles however, as long as those edges can't see each other

While it might be plausible... it sounds too much like the, "If a tree fell in the woods, and there's no one to hear it, does it make a sound?" argument. To me just because it can't be observed, since no observer exists, it seems like some rules are still being broken. The laws have always been, and not invented.

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Originally posted by Trance Nutter

Well, I am not even certain what they mean when they say the "shape" of the universe. Are they talking about the distribution of matter? If so, it seems pretty intuitive that you could talk about the "shape" outlined by all the clumps of stars, planets, and interstellar debris.

But I lack the required math to talk about the shape of the universe (and many other physics topics) on anything higher than "clueless amateur" level.

The tough part about pondering this stuff is that intuitions based on everyday experiences are simply no longer accurate when we are discussing relativity, which deals with situations very far from the "mundane." In relativity, there is no privileged frame of reference; that is, there is no simple "fact of the matter" about speed. All we have are our measurements of speed, which will differ depending on our own position and velocity relative to the object whose speed is being measured. The only thing that remains constant in all reference frames is the speed of light in a vacuum.

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Originally posted by Trance Nutter This is the thing that gets me about astrophysics, and why I don't believe much that they say. They claim the universe is shaped. Ok, but whats around the shape. They claim that the universe is expanding, but into what? I reckon its basically a bunch of egg-heads in some nerdy pissing contest to find who can come up with the longest or most outlandish mathematical equation. The universe is infinite, theres no shape, theres no expansion, it just goes on and on. Unfortunately humans don't seem to be able to grasp the idea of infinite and like to quantify things and thats basically why religion came about, that we couldn't accept that things are infinite and random and there must be some higher power controlling it. My opinion at least.

haha, you might be right. BUT, einstein's general theory of relativity predicts an in-motion, expanding universe does it not? i could very well be wrong, im pretty wasted at the minute. and hasn't the general relativity theory been supported by all observable evidence to date? including, but not limited to, the postulation of black holes (even though einstein at the time didn't buy the idea)?

i dunno. i just feel a bit arrogant calling a bunch of cosmologists or quantum physicists incorrect

Like that ever stopped you before.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On Like that ever stopped you before.

just outlining its reach. its really not my fault that i am surrounded by cretins on a regular basis. and you notice that different people get different levels of respect, that's just how i am

What if...

The universe is controlling...

Us...

It is, of course.

Just try to stop moving around the sun.

dont think too hard about infinity, it could kill you:
http://bestdocumentaries.blogspot.c...ocumentary.html
(documentary on mathematicians who eventually commit suicide, a couple out of insanity)

the first portion is dedicated to this man:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georg_Cantor

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Cantor established the importance of one-to-one correspondence between sets, defined infinite and well-ordered sets, and proved that the real numbers are "more numerous" than the natural numbers. In fact, Cantor's theorem implies the existence of an "infinity of infinities

I would jump at the idea that there could be life on another planet. There is nothing cooler than the idea that we AREN'T the only ones in this universe. And I personally think it is kind of arrogant to think that we ARE.

Didn't they discover a similar planed a few months ago ?

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Originally posted by tubularbills its all hypothetical research really....i mean, no one actually SAW th eplanet...its all based on the way that other things move around in a certain area.

yeah, but they smelt it !

So did they find them or not ? I swear like every 3 months this article comes out and people get all worked up over nothing.

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