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Don't be stupid Clovis.










We all know Sasha doesn't smile

noticed recently he dumped his iMac...(videos of his recent live gigs) and using a laptop instead hooked to the Maven....

is he using the new macbook air or maybe just the pro....wondering why the change?

http://www.apple.com/macbookair/

Clovis, you go on and on about how Sasha should do more with ableton, what exactly do you want him to do? Granted you may be able to do more, but maybe thats your thing?

I'm not bashing you or anything, but say Sasha was taking suggestion, what would you want him to do with his sets? Add samples from James Brown, play pellas overtop tracks?

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Originally posted by Clovis Because it's fucking boring and pointless. Lug your records/tracks around like the rest of us or do something cool with the fucking computer imo.

et al.

Jesus. I mean I knew you guys were self-righteous snobs, but I didn't realize you'd actually take offense at someone for using new technology to make an aspect of his life easier.

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Originally posted by UWM You don't know much about Ableton do you?

Maybe he doesn't. The question is still valid. Sticks belong on the ground, not up your ass.

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Originally posted by plaxx Clovis, you go on and on about how Sasha should do more with ableton, what exactly do you want him to do? Granted you may be able to do more, but maybe thats your thing? I'm not bashing you or anything, but say Sasha was taking suggestion, what would you want him to do with his sets? Add samples from James Brown, play pellas overtop tracks?

You don't know much about Ableton do you?

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Originally posted by thoughtlessjex et al. Jesus. I mean I knew you guys were self-righteous snobs, but I didn't realize you'd actually take offense at someone for using new technology to make an aspect of his life easier.

We aren't - what's offensive is thought that he decided to advocate the idea that his creative possibilities were expanded tenfold because of a program for years on end only to say in the end "It just makes it easier to do what I was doing before."

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Originally posted by plaxx Clovis, you go on and on about how Sasha should do more with ableton, what exactly do you want him to do? Granted you may be able to do more, but maybe thats your thing? I'm not bashing you or anything, but say Sasha was taking suggestion, what would you want him to do with his sets? Add samples from James Brown, play pellas overtop tracks?

I want him to surprise me. Which he has not done in a long, long time.

As for being a self righteous snob. Just because I feel passionately about something does not mean I have a stick up my ass, and I wish more people could tell the difference...

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Originally posted by Clovis I want him to surprise me. Which he has not done in a long, long time. As for being a self righteous snob. Just because I feel passionately about something does not mean I have a stick up my ass, and I wish more people could tell the difference...

Just to clarify, I've seen Sasha be absolutely amazing on ableton. I've seen him keep tracks mixed together for 6-8 minutes and make it sound perfect. I've seen him build an outgoing track perfectly into the next track's build untill the two were virtually indistinguishable. I've seen him make entirely new tracks out of 2 loops and play with them to set the next tune up perfectly. He is capable of really fucking owning it with ableton. Last time I saw him it was tunes mixed one after the other in regular succession. The tunes were ok. He added some light effects here and there. It was mostly boring, in my opinion of course. It didn't have that magic that made his experimental days with the laptop so fun and exciting.

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Originally posted by RJT We aren't - what's offensive is thought that he decided to advocate the idea that his creative possibilities were expanded tenfold because of a program for years on end only to say in the end "It just makes it easier to do what I was doing before."

Offensive? You are offended by this? Wow, I think humanity has reached a new low with this one.

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Originally posted by DOOMBOT Offensive? You are offended by this? Wow, I think humanity has reached a new low with this one.

You must not read many newspapers then.

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Originally posted by thoughtlessjex et al. Jesus. I mean I knew you guys were self-righteous snobs, but I didn't realize you'd actually take offense at someone for using new technology to make an aspect of his life easier.

Critical remarks and 'taking offense' aren't one and the same, and I don't see Sasha being lambasted any more than his apparently limited application of Ableton would warrant.

Take a look at Clovis' comments regarding Sasha's success with Ableton and tell me that "oh, he doesn't have to lug around crates of records" is the first reaction to come to mind when considering of Ableton's usefulness. To reduce its functionality to the mere added convenience of not having to carry records (as you would likely do with CDJ's or Serato) is, as is largely the case with many comments on this thread, missing the point.

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Originally posted by UWM You don't know much about Ableton do you?

I know plenty.

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Originally posted by DOOMBOT Offensive? You are offended by this? Wow, I think humanity has reached a new low with this one.

Learn to use the English language before you comment.

And you really are one of the all time biggest gimps to ever grace these forums - right up there with the greats like Radagast.

I'm sure your family is very proud of all you've accomplished. Great job.

Now please do us all a favor and fuck off.

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Originally posted by RJT We aren't - what's offensive is thought[/i] that he decided to advocate the idea that his creative possibilities were expanded tenfold because of a program for years on end only to say in the end "It just makes it easier to do what I was doing before."

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[b]Originally posted by RJT Learn to use the English language before you comment.

I mean seriously, it's not like there's even anything wrong with Doombot's post.

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Critical remarks and 'taking offense' aren't one and the same, and I don't see Sasha being lambasted any more than his apparently limited application of Ableton would warrant.

And I don't see what there is to be critical of. It's like criticizing someone for using a Porsche to get to work. It's not an illegitimate use of it, so what is there to criticize?

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Originally posted by thoughtlessjex I mean seriously, it's not like there's even anything wrong with Doombot's post. And I don't see what there is to be critical of. It's like criticizing someone for using a Porsche to get to work. It's not an illegitimate use of it, so what is there to criticize?

I dunno, maybe we should just not talk about anything?

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Originally posted by thoughtlessjex I mean seriously, it's not like there's even anything wrong with Doombot's post. And I don't see what there is to be critical of. It's like criticizing someone for using a Porsche to get to work. It's not an illegitimate use of it, so what is there to criticize?

He's just a very pissed off person, obviously. Which is unfortunate because I tried a couple teams to give him the benefit of the doubt, but it seems like something was really crawling up is ass to not even realize that or care to realize that. Oh well.

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Originally posted by Clovis I dunno, maybe we should just not talk about anything?

You could do that.

Lets just all realize he won't ever do anything very creative with Ableton. I think his controller shows that he doesn't intend to do much at all other than mix from a+b with a few ping-pong effects.

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Originally posted by Clovis I dunno, maybe I should not post anymore

that would be great

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Originally posted by DiegoParra32 that would be great

What the fuck have you added to the discussion besides childish condescending posts like this?

Absolutely fuck all.

I just love getting under your skin. You and RJT are probably the biggest snobs i've ever seen on the internet. So whenever I can piss you guys off or slightly make a vein pop, i'm all for it. Stop giving so many people on this section crap b/c you know more than the average joe. No one is questioning that you guys know your shit, just stop acting like such a snob about it.

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Originally posted by thoughtlessjex And I don't see what there is to be critical of. It's like criticizing someone for using a Porsche to get to work. It's not an illegitimate use of it, so what is there to criticize?

I don't find that to be a particularly credible analogy, seeing as it doesn't represent the actual point being made here.

No one is saying that Ableton doesn't make matters more convenient, and that convenience is one of its advantages. But if the extent of your application of it is oriented towards convenience, then why use something with enormous potential to such a narrow extent?

In that respect, the analogy is more accurately depicted as buying a Porsche solely as a commuter car. You may use your Porsche to get to work, but I seriously doubt anyone buys one primarily with that intent in mind.

That said, I'm not necessarily agreeing with and advancing this argument. I'm sure Sasha didn't invest all his time and energy with Ableton just to save him the trouble of traveling with records, and I would be inclined to believe that his typical Ableton performance amounts to a more interesting listen than he would otherwise be doing with vinyl and CDJ's. Nevertheless, I don't see why so many people on this thread are wrestling with coming to terms with this argument.

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Originally posted by DiegoParra32 I just love getting under your skin. You and RJT are probably the biggest snobs i've ever seen on the internet. So whenever I can piss you guys off or slightly make a vein pop, i'm all for it. Stop giving so many people on this section crap b/c you know more than the average joe. No one is questioning that you guys know your shit, just stop acting like such a snob about it.

Who exactly did I give crap to in this thread besides your dumbass? I didn't call anyone an idiot or tell anyone to fuck off because I didn't agree with them. I stated what I think and explained why, hoping some people would actually read it and see where I'm coming from, being the long-time Sasha fan I am.

We're discussing differences of opinion. We're talking about shit. Trading ideas. It's KIND OF the point of a forum. Not just sitting around going

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HA HA, YUR A RETARDED!

That kind of shit is reserved for Googooly. It's pretty fucking easy to sit there and talk shit about people without anything substantiative. I know, I've been guilty of it the same, but at least I can recognize that it adds absolutely nothing of value to the forum, and I try NOT to do that. And I love how as soon as someone has strong opinions on here or actually takes the time to really research something they're a "snob". It's like "don't act like you know too much...smart people are SNOBS!". As if we're supposed to tiptoe around and yield to anyone else's opinion no matter how backwards it may seem.


At least Paradox Lost has some kind of patience to read and see things from a different perspective, regardless of whether or not he agrees.

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Originally posted by Paradox Lost [Just read the post.]

If we're going to go to your interpretation of the analogy, then yes, some people buy Porsches as commuter cars, then show it off to their friends and get a little chill when they blast off a changed traffic signal. Well, this interview here is Sasha showing off his software and kit, and he certainly seems to enjoy using it. Maybe it's kind of geeky, but you have to see how snobbish it is to say the guy's a knob just because he doesn't push it to the limit every so often.

So you see, the only problem I have with this argument is that it's very snobbish, and almost saddening in that these people (or at least Clovis) apparently have nothing better to talk about than slagging off on a guy who's just glad to have a more convenient way of doing things.

I mean, I can see how is might seem funny to go to all the trouble of learning a new way of doing things, and getting a controller made, but obviously there was some kind of payoff, so I can't see anything to criticize.

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Originally posted by thoughtlessjex If we're going to go to your interpretation of the analogy, then yes, some people buy Porsches as commuter cars, then show it off to their friends and get a little chill when they blast off a changed traffic signal. Well, this interview here is Sasha showing off his software and kit, and he certainly seems to enjoy using it. Maybe it's kind of geeky, but you have to see how snobbish it is to say the guy's a knob just because he doesn't push it to the limit every so often. So you see, the only problem I have with this argument is that it's very snobbish, and almost saddening in that these people (or at least Clovis) apparently have nothing better to talk about than slagging off on a guy who's just glad to have a more convenient way of doing things. I mean, I can see how is might seem funny to go to all the trouble of learning a new way of doing things, and getting a controller made, but obviously there was some kind of payoff, so I can't see anything to criticize.

Ugh...I'm sorry that I actually enjoy it when people put effort into things. The surprises and magic happen when Sasha is pushing himself. When he's exploring and taking chances. Thats the Sasha I love. In absence of that effort ( and I'm not just talking about ableton, his music selection too), his sets do not interest me. Is that such a horrible crime? That I like it when he's pushing the limit and am rather bored by him taking the easy way out?


Either way, as I said before, I'll always respect the guy.

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