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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On Maybe I am just an irrational skeptic, but it seems to me that the ones pushing people to eat, eat, eat are the ones with the most to gain from it. And that the processing of livestock for consumption is just as generally unnecessary, yet quite beneficial to those controlling the mass disregard for animals as, well, frankly, just as deserving of life as human beings.

If livestock are deserving of life, then first they must be born; but the number of livestock born and, thus, the extent to which all potential livestock collectively get life as they deserve is proportional to the demand for meat which, in turn, is proportional to the consumption of meat by the consumer market. Ergo, if you believe that animals' lives should not be denied, then you are obligated to maximize your consumption of their flesh and, a fortiori, you should oppose vegetarianism at every turn.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Sort of, although the most affluent people actually tend to be the least obese, at least in Western countries. More than anything else, obesity is a symptom of eating foods that are bad for your body (which may have an economic component, since healthier foods tend to be more expensive).

I didn't mean it at that level.

I meant that a "healthy" economy in the sense that food is processed and made readily available to a great number of people at reasonable prices due to a complex system of planned growth and cultivation by tax-driven Government subsidiaries causes its own set of problems. Of course there is an unfortunate occurrence of famine in the United States at times, but I think that compared to many countries with a suffering Government and an overwhelming amount of impoverishment/famine in the populace, you can draw what I am trying to say about how the subsequent overindulgence of being at the supposed "top" of things leads to a large unbalance in the populace's dietary health. Especially with the sugar industry being what it is in the US. I'm sure Lilith can speak of this far more elaborately than I ever could.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On

Actually, I was apparently sort of wrong. In the U.S. today, the difference in obesity rate between high income and low income groups is only about 6%:

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Here are the income-obesity statistics for 1971-1974: * Less than $25,000: 22.5% obese * $25,000-$40,000: 16.1% obese * $40,000-$60,000: 14.5% obese * More than $60,000: 9.7% obese Here are the results for 2001-2002: * Less than $25,000: 32.5% obese * $25,000-$40,000: 31.3% obese * $40,000-$60,000: 30.3% obese * More than $60,000: 26.8% obese http://www.medicinenet.com/script/m...rticlekey=56138

Everybody's getting fat, not just poor folks...

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Originally posted by Arbiter If livestock are deserving of life, then first they must be born; but the number of livestock born and, thus, the extent to which all potential livestock collectively get life as they deserve is proportional to the demand for meat which, in turn, is proportional to the consumption of meat by the consumer market. Ergo, if you believe that animals' lives should not be denied, then you are obligated to maximize your consumption of their flesh and, a fortiori, you should oppose vegetarianism at every turn.

haha, the syllogism follows suit, but I still do not trust the terms.

True, there would be a demand for more livestock to be birthed as the demand for meat goes up, but being a stamped and boneless Poultry #87907325b, jammed in a cage that is filled to the brim with your own species and feces, then ground into a thin paste after being milked for all of your reproductive worth hardly seems a "life" in any humanist sense. And the demand, itself, is what I would protest first. The less of this process we carry on with, the better. I know I am skating the line of personification, assigning "life goals" to a chicken. Fuck, I don't even have life goals, myself, so why don't you eat me?

It just seems to me that once you start justifying the unnecessary processing of any animal, you might as well not stop with humans. Beef holocaust, yo.

*inserts Theresa*

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Originally posted by tubularbills *inserts Theresa*

Why Theresa?

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Why Theresa?

cause she is?

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Originally posted by Lira What if I don't eat nor care?

fine by me... ive just encountered to many people trying to tell me why i shouldnt eat meat...

I am hungry...

sometimes i like to fantasize about eating what i call a "family burger", which is a patty made with a mixture of beef and veal.

this thread needs some double double

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Originally posted by l�cid sometimes i like to fantasize about eating what i call a "family burger", which is a patty made with a mixture of beef and veal.

Aaawww .. .. . .. . ... .. .... . ..... .. .. .. . .

still can't beat that double double

YUP WE'RE VEGETARIANS AND PROUD OF IT. We became vegetarians 15 years ago when we were 11, before it was a fad. We're not vegans becasue we do eat some dairy, to be be Vegan is a very serious life altering decision. you can get very sick if you don't know what foods to combine, how to get sufficient protein, adequate nutrition and so forth. same things goes for being a veggie but they are more options for us.

We became Vegetarians beause in our young minds we could not find justification enough as way we were eating animals when we found everything about the process of killing the poor animals repulsive and demoralizing.
Also, we were in 4H where we showed animals in fairs and our friends would have to auction of their animals to get sold to slaughter houses after raising them and they would cry and cry and it was traumatizing.

I'm hungry like a wolf.

The healthiest meat for you is human meat. keep that in mind next time your over at grandma's house.

This thread needs more Carl

erase your post so people can take the time to read and digest my comment.

LOL when I first read that title I thought it said "Vaginism"

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Originally posted by Jake Benson LOL when I first read that title I thought it said "Vaginism"

I'd like to start a religion called "Vaginism". Only brazilian cameltoes need apply.

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Originally posted by fayraree I'd like to start a religion called "Vaginism". Only brazilian cameltoes need apply.

Or Canadian.

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