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Frankly, I don't pay for anything...
I'm not a DJ so i ONLY download sets

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Originally posted by release records there is something wrong with playing promos...theres something wrong with playing them if you were not sent them thru legitimate channels. trolling thru soulseek, other sites or having people (who also shouldnt promos) IM them to u is one of the main things that is helping kill the dance music industry. the sad reality is, in most cases, unreleased music has become a currency to trade with other promo hungry vultures. jerome @ release

I am saying there's nothing wrong with playing promos if you received them from someone legit. If you don't want anyone playing your unreleased music, don't share it with anyone.

he's got a point, that's why i only buy tracks from producers/labels i choose to support.

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Originally posted by geroin There is never enough exposure, there is no plateau in how big you can become.

I fully agree...

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Originally posted by geroin Making music is a hobby first of all not a job, people do it because they enjoy to do it, not because they think about how much money the track will make.

lol how can you speak on behalf of anyones that's EVER made music? I'm sure Simon Cowell would disagree with you...

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur I'm patiently waiting for when the music industry finally collapses because of illegal downloading (lol), so it could rebuild itself from the ground up. Musicians would make music no matter what. Music existed long before labels existed, and music will continue to exist after the labels die.

I mean to be fair it's pretty much there now... the only person making money from actually selling dance music is deadmau5 lol (and he's just a mouse for fuck sakes)

edit: (only because I don't want to triple post) But the more I think about it the more I can see Angello being one of the worst targets for internet sharing. He's a brand name, still doing amazing/creative stuff and getting burnt on shit getting saturated well before the release happens. I do feel his pain.

My 2 cents

1)I will never buy an MP3.. They sound bad on my HiFi

2) I do download MP3s, mainly radio shows or sets.

3) When I really like the music I do go out and buy the CD. I have lots of CDs I enjoy, Armin van Buuren, PVD, Markus Schultz, Ferry Corstan...

4) I have seen Promo Vinyls available for download regularly. It is possible to keep Promos off of the net. I waited for "A Life Less Ordinary" for like 8 months to be available after I heard it many times live, on the radio... And finaly got it on CD.

5) I listen to Trance, not House, so Steve you will be happy to hear that I will not be pirating your House productions via the net.

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Originally posted by phlog I have alot of respect for people who are able to produce or mix solid, original edm, whether it be trance, house, techno or any other genre. i think part of the problem unfortunately is that there is such a massive abundance of edm. millions of copies of a given track floating around online. its tough for most people to justify spending their hard-earned cash on something their friends get for free, let alone something that will be 'outdated' in a month or two. artists need to understand that this isn't going to change, regardless of their bickering efforts (ala Angello, Tenaglia). in any other business if a consumer can get a product cheaper somewhere else, THEY WILL. the same applies for music. artists eventually will adapt to consumer demand. hopefully edm doesn't start sucking too much in the process.

This is very true, there are tones of people who still go to beatport and other sites and still buy the songs. Plus Dj's get paid tones of money for live shows they should consider their tracks as a promotial tool for people to come out to their shows to see them play live. I remeber a few years back i herd Okenfold got paid $250 000 to play for 2 hrs at some huge festival.

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Originally posted by Djsketchbag This is very true, there are tones of people who still go to beatport and other sites and still buy the songs. Plus Dj's get paid tones of money for live shows they should consider their tracks as a promotial tool for people to come out to their shows to see them play live. I remeber a few years back i herd Okenfold got paid $250 000 to play for 2 hrs at some huge festival.

The quality of the tracks would probably go down, and producers probably
won't collaborate much to produce good tracks since they'd have to put in tons of hours and in the end, they don't get paid.

Many producers are also DJs, and the established ones are already too busy with tours and family and whatnot.
Less incentive to put in lots of hours for tracks

Not everyone is altruistic

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Originally posted by Djsketchbag I remeber a few years back i herd Okenfold got paid $250 000 to play for 2 hrs at some huge festival.

although obviously not impossible, it's very unlikely. And even so ridiculous to cite as a benchmark when discussing a dj's touring salary...

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Originally posted by Djsketchbag i herd Okenfold got paid $250 000 to play for 2 hrs at some huge festival.

That seems a bit too much...

All 4 international DJs from Resolution (Vibe, Lawler, Schulz, Sander Van Doorn) got $35,000 each for two hours.

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Originally posted by Invasionmix That seems a bit too much... All 4 international DJs from Resolution (Vibe, Lawler, Schulz, Sander Van Doorn) got $35,000 each for two hours.

Yeah that was for like 8000 ppl the one he played for was a couple of million.

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Originally posted by Djsketchbag Yeah that was for like 8000 ppl the one he played for was a couple of million.

Glastonbury is the biggest UK festival and it peaks at 150K

perhaps some of you should stop getting paid for all the hard work you do, but is ok because you can make up for it by charging people to come watch you in your cubicle...

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Originally posted by jon jon Glastonbury is the biggest UK festival and it peaks at 150K

so what my buddy told might have been a little exaggerated but 150 K is still enough not to have to take out a second mortgage on your house

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Originally posted by Djsketchbag so what my buddy old might have been a little exaggerated but 150 K is still enough not to have to take out a second mortgage on your house

I think he meant 150K as in 150K people attending the festival haha.

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Originally posted by NuERA perhaps some of you should stop getting paid for all the hard work you do, but is ok because you can make up for it by charging people to come watch you in your cubicle...

Spot on - assuming you even work in a cubicle. If you don't, well... I guess that's too bad, work for free!

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Originally posted by exstasie I think he meant 150K as in 150K people attending the festival haha.

doesn't love parade have over a million ppl ?

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Originally posted by Djsketchbag doesn't love parade have over a million ppl ?

I just re-read and he said Biggest UK Festival...

Okay..maybe I'm just confused too lol.

And yes haha. Love Parade last year had 1.2 million ppl (approx) at the Essen event.

From the stats, it shows its around 750k - 1.5 million for the past several events.

CRAZINESS

lol Peter, it doesn't matter... bottom line, it's not what the normal dj makes touring and a brutal benchmark for your argument...

What Steve said in that post/blog is definitely correct.

Internet-based piracy will, of course, not last forever; enjoy it while it lasts.

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Originally posted by cenik What Steve said in that post/blog is definitely correct. Internet-based piracy will, of course, not last forever; enjoy it while it lasts.

Sadly enough, regardless of my hopes, I doubt that last comment will prove true.

DJ's play a variety of music, from a large variety of artists. When you say you want to download the tracks for free, then go and see them live, you are no supporting everybody.

Lets take the PVD example that Porky presented. The problem with your example is that he does not play all his own music. You go out, download a set, or some songs that he plays. Then you go see him live and he gets paid. What about all those artists that helped to make his show a success?

PVD pays for his music (sometimes), and each artist gets paid once from him buying one copy of that record. By paying PVD for his performance, you are not neccessarily supporting each and every artist. What if you downloaded a song, that he didn't even play when you see him live?

DJs and radio are able to and allowed to play the music they bought, because it is supposed to be a promo tool. You go hear it, and go buy it. You do not get to hear it and then keep it.

The majority of artists which make up the scene will never get to tour, because they do not have enough material, nor do they DJ. It is just crazy to expect every artist to also DJ. Some of them do not have the skills, nor the drive to do so. And some just plain do not have the resources, because they put them into producing.

Please stop bringing up Radiohead, Trent Reznor, and Prince. Those guys are massive, with huge followings, and a substantial amount of resources behind them. They can run it as a business. Take a hit on the album, and marketing, but make it back in touring. One thing to remember, the people seeing their show, would probably have seen the show if the new albums was released or not.

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Originally posted by jon jon lol Peter, it doesn't matter... bottom line, it's not what the normal dj makes touring and a brutal benchmark for your argument...

I knwo it's not common for a Dj to get paid that much money for one gig. But international djs do get several K per gig ( witch was my original argument ) so my point was that their tracks are a great promotional tool to get people out to see them, so they can continue to get paid good money. Like i really want to see Richard Dinsdale and i have never herd a set from him but i have liek 15 of his tracks and i love every single one. (yeah i'm pissed i missed him last spring at footy *cries*)

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Originally posted by Orko It is just crazy to expect every artist to also DJ

Agreed. I mean fuck, 9/10 of my favourite producers don't DJ. Two totally different industries.

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Originally posted by Orko Please stop bringing up Radiohead, Trent Reznor, and Prince.

haha So agreed.

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Originally posted by Porky I think people are changing their perceptions about music, valuing it as a free commodity. If you can listen to radio for free why pay for music?

WHY? For the right to POSSESS a track and listen to or play it whenever one wants.

If you can listen to it on the radio for free, that�s great and awesome -- but you're at the mercy of the radio to hear it only whenever that particular track gets played.

If you want the option to hear the song at your own beck and call (whenever you'd like), then that's why you should pay for it to have it in your music collection (to either listen to casually, or to play professionally).

Jem

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