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Posted by Alex on Feb-21-2008 03:44:

Planes are cool.


I work for Air Canada and me and some of the engineers/mechanics go and take our lunch/smoke breaks on the planes in the closest hanger sometimes.

Nothing like chilling on a massive 747 or 777 and eating a ham sammich, ahahaha.

Some of the dudes showed me this terrible "joke" they pull on new mechanics/engineers... They buy a bottle of apple juice and leave it out for a while (sometimes near a heater) to get it nice and warm, then they somehow convince the guy to stand directly underneath the plane where the (as they put it) "shit-pipe" is, they release the switch in the cockpit and one guy just goes and empties the apple juice into the toilet in the plane.

The end result is rumored to be pretty funny as some guy gets soaked in warm, yellowish liquid. Aahahahaha.

They said some Chinese guy almost quit on his first day as a result!


Posted by jfk-pilot on Feb-21-2008 03:53:

quote:
Originally posted by Alex
Planes are cool.


I work for Air Canada and me and some of the engineers/mechanics go and take our lunch/smoke breaks on the planes in the closest hanger sometimes.

Nothing like chilling on a massive 747 or 777 and eating a ham sammich, ahahaha.

Some of the dudes showed me this terrible "joke" they pull on new mechanics/engineers... They buy a bottle of apple juice and leave it out for a while (sometimes near a heater) to get it nice and warm, then they somehow convince the guy to stand directly underneath the plane where the (as they put it) "shit-pipe" is, they release the switch in the cockpit and one guy just goes and empties the apple juice into the toilet in the plane.

The end result is rumored to be pretty funny as some guy gets soaked in warm, yellowish liquid. Aahahahaha.

They said some Chinese guy almost quit on his first day as a result!


haha thats fucking awesome. Airline Mechanics are never bored. Lol


Posted by gehzumteufel on Feb-21-2008 03:53:

quote:
Originally posted by Alex
Planes are cool.


I work for Air Canada and me and some of the engineers/mechanics go and take our lunch/smoke breaks on the planes in the closest hanger sometimes.

Nothing like chilling on a massive 747 or 777 and eating a ham sammich, ahahaha.

Some of the dudes showed me this terrible "joke" they pull on new mechanics/engineers... They buy a bottle of apple juice and leave it out for a while (sometimes near a heater) to get it nice and warm, then they somehow convince the guy to stand directly underneath the plane where the (as they put it) "shit-pipe" is, they release the switch in the cockpit and one guy just goes and empties the apple juice into the toilet in the plane.

The end result is rumored to be pretty funny as some guy gets soaked in warm, yellowish liquid. Aahahahaha.

They said some Chinese guy almost quit on his first day as a result!

HAHAHA thats funny..seriously.


Posted by tubularbills on Feb-21-2008 04:05:

quote:
Originally posted by gehzumteufel
and what makes you think a plane cant survive that? and what makes you think a plane cant go through a storm?

oh and your a fucking weatherman. stick to what you know!


cessnas cannot survive thunderstorms. plain and simple. the amount of force and energy that is going up and down inside the storm itself would either 1) rip the wings off; 2) smash the wings off; or 3) toss the plane around like a toy. its because the plane is so light. granted, a thunderstorm can take down a larger jet as well, but that is mostly due to either 1) lightning; 2) hail; or 3) extreme downburst or updraft.....not just LGT-MOD turbulence which greatly affects smaller aircraft moreso than heavier.

the pic i posted isn't the best one really, but yeah, overshooting tops can be extremely dangerous to aircraft flying above a thunderstorm.

trust me, i deal w/ this crap on a daily basis of stupidass pilots who are like, "omg i fly through whatever i wyant" and our forecasters even tell them to avoid thunderstorms at all costs.

little tiny T-37s and T-38s which are training "jets" can't fly in anything other than SKC-FEW sky conditions either.


Posted by gehzumteufel on Feb-21-2008 04:16:

quote:
Originally posted by tubularbills
cessnas cannot survive thunderstorms. plain and simple. the amount of force and energy that is going up and down inside the storm itself would either 1) rip the wings off; 2) smash the wings off; or 3) toss the plane around like a toy. its because the plane is so light. granted, a thunderstorm can take down a larger jet as well, but that is mostly due to either 1) lightning; 2) hail; or 3) extreme downburst or updraft.....not just LGT-MOD turbulence which greatly affects smaller aircraft moreso than heavier.

the pic i posted isn't the best one really, but yeah, overshooting tops can be extremely dangerous to aircraft flying above a thunderstorm.

trust me, i deal w/ this crap on a daily basis of stupidass pilots who are like, "omg i fly through whatever i wyant" and our forecasters even tell them to avoid thunderstorms at all costs.

little tiny T-37s and T-38s which are training "jets" can't fly in anything other than SKC-FEW sky conditions either.

lol i was giving you shit. you took the bait! :P

oh and a cessna is a slow plane. the one i started with has a max speed of 350mph and a cruise speed of 330mph. its also a pretty agile plane.


Posted by failsafe on Feb-21-2008 04:56:

Tublarbills: Can I ask what you do which makes you such an expert?

I've taught meteorology, instructed on light and commuter aircraft and full motion simulators. I currently fly transport category jets throughout North American and the Caribbean. I love how you reference some pilots as being "stupidass". Yet you're the one on here carrying on about things you clearly have a very limited knowledge of. Carry on though, most here will never know the difference, and you can be a hero in your own eyes.


Posted by biznology on Feb-21-2008 06:28:

quote:
Originally posted by failsafe
Tublarbills: Can I ask what you do which makes you such an expert?

I've taught meteorology, instructed on light and commuter aircraft and full motion simulators. I currently fly transport category jets throughout North American and the Caribbean. I love how you reference some pilots as being "stupidass". Yet you're the one on here carrying on about things you clearly have a very limited knowledge of. Carry on though, most here will never know the difference, and you can be a hero in your own eyes.



umm he works for the US Govt, its called the Air Force.


...stupidass|


Posted by seneca on Feb-21-2008 06:50:

CriCri - Smallest 1 person plane (aerobatic also!)
max speed approx 105 mph



I hope to get me one of these one day instead of a 2nd house or expensive car:

Cirrus SR22 Turbo ($400k new)


Posted by Omega_M on Feb-21-2008 06:53:

Sunrise over snow capped mountain range around Milan.






Posted by Jackson on Feb-21-2008 09:58:

quote:
Originally posted by failsafe
Tublarbills: Can I ask what you do which makes you such an expert?

I've taught meteorology, instructed on light and commuter aircraft and full motion simulators. I currently fly transport category jets throughout North American and the Caribbean. I love how you reference some pilots as being "stupidass". Yet you're the one on here carrying on about things you clearly have a very limited knowledge of. Carry on though, most here will never know the difference, and you can be a hero in your own eyes.


Umm, you're obviously just trying to pick a fight. If you read CLEARLY, you can see that will is just saying you can get SOME guys who think they are invincible just because they have an PPC.

Will works around aircraft full time, as do you. But he's constantly dealing with weather situations for aircraft rather than merely getting up to cruise level and wacking on the autopilot.


Posted by failsafe on Feb-21-2008 11:28:

quote:
Originally posted by Jackson
Umm, you're obviously just trying to pick a fight. If you read CLEARLY, you can see that will is just saying you can get SOME guys who think they are invincible just because they have an PPC.

Will works around aircraft full time, as do you. But he's constantly dealing with weather situations for aircraft rather than merely getting up to cruise level and wacking on the autopilot.


I guess being a pilot would disqualify me somehow as working around aircraft full time? You've got a terribly myopic view of what a real professional pilot does if you think it's just up to FL410 and monitor the autopilot.

biznology: You're the first person I've ever met that has used the defense of working for the government as qualifying someone as not stupid. Is everyone else wrong?


Posted by fbgdavidson on Feb-21-2008 12:28:

Most beautiful....
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Brit...-102/0413742/L/
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Brit...orde/0599070/L/


Posted by Jackson on Feb-21-2008 14:03:

quote:
Originally posted by failsafe
I guess being a pilot would disqualify me somehow as working around aircraft full time? You've got a terribly myopic view of what a real professional pilot does if you think it's just up to FL410 and monitor the autopilot.



Does your job involve you constantly getting amateur pilots out of trouble when it comes to weather?



And i thank you.


Posted by tubularbills on Feb-21-2008 15:38:

lol, who is this guy anyway?


Posted by failsafe on Feb-21-2008 15:52:

quote:
Originally posted by Jackson
Does your job involve you constantly getting amateur pilots out of trouble when it comes to weather?



And i thank you.


No my job involves me constantly keeping myself out of trouble with weather. That said I've instructed people on large planes weather avoidance and recovery techniques, in addition to actually teaching meteorology also.


Posted by tubularbills on Feb-21-2008 15:58:

quote:
Originally posted by gehzumteufel
its also a pretty agile plane.


who cares about agility, lol?


Posted by L.E.N. on Feb-21-2008 17:14:



Crosswind landing 777 & 747


Posted by failsafe on Feb-21-2008 20:12:

You should search the airbus tail strike certification videos. It's pretty crazy to watch them grind the tail of the plane into the ground so they can determine and then certify the minimum unstick speed.


Posted by gehzumteufel on Feb-21-2008 23:25:

quote:
Originally posted by tubularbills
who cares about agility, lol?

agility enables recovery. no agility means the plane is doomed.


Posted by Protege on Feb-21-2008 23:52:

Pilots suck. But planes are cool.


Posted by Clovis on Feb-22-2008 00:06:

quote:
Originally posted by seneca
CriCri - Smallest 1 person plane (aerobatic also!)
max speed approx 105 mph



I hope to get me one of these one day instead of a 2nd house or expensive car:

Cirrus SR22 Turbo ($400k new)




I hate Cirrus airplanes. Several reasons, namely being that I think they are over-priced, way too fucking popular, and have no soul.


Posted by Clovis on Feb-22-2008 00:13:

quote:
Originally posted by failsafe
Tublarbills: Can I ask what you do which makes you such an expert?

I've taught meteorology, instructed on light and commuter aircraft and full motion simulators. I currently fly transport category jets throughout North American and the Caribbean. I love how you reference some pilots as being "stupidass". Yet you're the one on here carrying on about things you clearly have a very limited knowledge of. Carry on though, most here will never know the difference, and you can be a hero in your own eyes.



What exactly in his post was wrong? As far as I can tell he hit the nail on the head. Thunderstorms and aircraft don't mix. No matter how sophisticated, how large and how expensive your weather radar is. I could pull up hundreds and hundreds of accident examples.

Also, a large majority of pilots (ESPECIALLY those flying GA aircraft) are, in fact, stupid. I worked at a flight school in Van Nuys CA, (busiest GA airport in the United States) for 2.5 years and got to witness the stupidity first hand. Really, it scares me to death who they give pilots licenses to these days.


Posted by gehzumteufel on Feb-22-2008 00:19:

quote:
Originally posted by Clovis
What exactly in his post was wrong? As far as I can tell he hit the nail on the head. Thunderstorms and aircraft don't mix. No matter how sophisticated, how large and how expensive your weather radar is. I could pull up hundreds and hundreds of accident examples.

Also, a large majority of pilots (ESPECIALLY those flying GA aircraft) are, in fact, stupid. I worked at a flight school in Van Nuys CA, (busiest GA airport in the United States) for 2.5 years and got to witness the stupidity first hand. Really, it scares me to death who they give pilots licenses to these days.

my grandparents are members of the EAA chapter up in sacramento. omg he told me SO many bad stories of fucking IDIOT pilots. i cant belive how many idiots get a fucking license.


Posted by fbgdavidson on Feb-22-2008 00:21:

quote:
Originally posted by Jackson
Well these are the two I have flown personally:

Grob Tutor



You were in UAS? Me too!

quote:
Originally posted by jfk-pilot
haha thats fucking awesome. Airline Mechanics are never bored. Lol


People I've met in the aviation world are some of the biggest pranksters it is hilarious! In a similar vein as to what was posted about the AC guys and the urine/apple juice, we used to send the new recruits out around the whole airfield looking for some propwash. We'd tell them to go to one hangar on the airfield but would call ahead to make sure they sent the newbies on a wild goose chase elsewhere and the fun would go on. The station I was based at was pretty large so they'd often spend several hours going around to other parts until they got bored/realised it was a prank/someone spilled the beans....

My Dad told me some great stories of a BA / BEA pilot, Jack Welford. Looked just like the guy of the Players Cut or Navy Cut cigarettes apparently.

This pilot spent some time working on the BA Highlands fleet and after he had done all his preflight checks and a few minutes before the passengers boarded he would sit in the front row with a long overcoat on and read a paper. All the passengers would then board and the flight attendant would apologise for the captain being late, although unbeknown to the passengers he was in the front row. After a few minutes he'd stand up and mutter, 'Sod this for a laugh' and walk into the cockpit

Another favourite was to wait for all the passengers to be on board and as before the flight attendant would inform the passengers of the late arrival of the pilot. Then the pilot would emerge from the terminal building area inhis uniform and walk across the tarmac towards the aircraft carrying a long white stick and tapping the ground and board the plane.

My personal favourite though is:

This captain was on a flight back from Europe and a famous actor was on board this flight, for our benefit we'll say its Richard Burton. The flight was delayed by about a quarter of hour or so, and at this point the Mr Burton calls over the flight attendant and complains that the flight is late and that he wants the pilot to know his feelings. The flight attendant goes into the cockpit and forwards the message onto the captain. A minute or so later this captain comes over on the PA system...

'Good evening ladies and gentleman and welcome to this BEA flight from Dusseldorf to London. We are very honoured to have in our presence today Richard Burton. Unfortunately because we are late he thinks my performance today is poor, however when I go to the cinema and I see one of his poor performances I have the opportunity to walk out. We hope you enjoy your flight with us today on British European Airways....'

I've got some great stories about a Concorde pilot that was a friend of the family but I'll have to save that for another day....


Posted by Clovis on Feb-22-2008 00:26:

quote:
Originally posted by gehzumteufel
my grandparents are members of the EAA chapter up in sacramento. omg he told me SO many bad stories of fucking IDIOT pilots. i cant belive how many idiots get a fucking license.



The EAA is one of the largest organizations of idiot pilots in the USA


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